Sony's Spider-Man 4 (sequel to "No Way Home")

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Maybe he will be as serious as in 2008 movie

Hard to say if they'll ever go back to that. I wonder if they'll explain how classic Hulk comes back. Between End Game and She-Hulk it feels like he was stuck as Smart Hulk for several years.

I'm assuming Peter would have heard of the Hulk from TV news coverage and whatnot. He never got to interact with him directly so far.

[ZariusTwo]

So many trailers and I still don't know what the plot's about.

Looks like just a bunch of stuff that happens.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

So many trailers and I still don't know what the plot's about.

Looks like just a bunch of stuff that happens.

We will probably find out who is main villain when movie comes out

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

So many trailers and I still don't know what the plot's about.

Looks like just a bunch of stuff that happens.

* Peter Parker is feeling down that MJ and Ned don't remember who he is.

* Peter begins to transform due to some kind of evolutionary bit in his spider DNA, possibly into Man-Spider, possibly triggered by how emotionally down in the dumps he is?

* Whatever evolves Spider-Man seems to "get out" and infect Bruce Banner, turning him into Savage Hulk. Perhaps Peter Parker is "Cured" while what Banner took out of him to cure him goes into Banner?

* Scorpion is out of prison and goes on a crime spree, then gets confronted by Spider-Man at some point.

* The Hand returns, coming into odds with Spider-Man, who they fight.

* Punisher is chasing after somebody (Scorpion? the Hand?) and ends up partnering up with/protecting Jean Grey, who is using her mind powers to survive/escape, it looks like?

* Spider-Man and Punisher must team to take down Savage Hulk in the end (we can assume this rumor is true because everything else in those early reports was, too).


So... something like that?

[nidza_maj2000]

I also wonder why is MJ in danger like Spidey said

[Andrew NDB]

I bet a big part of it will be that Jean Grey is able to "See through" or maybe even undo Dr. Strange's memory spell in part and this causes problems somehow. It's hard to imagine much of any other reason to involve Jean Grey in the movie if it is not connected to that spell since her whole thing is super mental abilities.

[ZariusTwo]

So there's a new plot leak making the rounds

Spoiler:

The movie reads more like one of those 90s Incredible Hulk team-up movies. Nothing really happens and Sadie Sink is just a misunderstood villain and the real antagonist is the guy in charge of Damage Control. This leak doesn't mention that Peter dies or that he's revived in the grave by the symbiote.

Peter is shot and critically wounded, but the medics perform surgery and save him. After they rescue Jean from Damage Control, Peter and Punisher defeat Tombstone in the final battle.

Jean offers to restore MJ and Ned's memories but Peter declines and finally lets them go

[Coola Yagami]

Based on that it sounds like they're gonna double down on Peter and MJ not getting back together. I wonder what else they will do going forward. Making him run into a redhead with the same MJ initials would just be too weird. More comic accurate but weird within the context of the last 3 movies. Like dating a new girl that has the exact same nickname as your ex.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Based on that it sounds like they're gonna double down on Peter and MJ not getting back together. I wonder what else they will do going forward. Making him run into a redhead with the same MJ initials would just be too weird. More comic accurate but weird within the context of the last 3 movies. Like dating a new girl that has the exact same nickname as your ex.

I’m betting some kind of multiverse shenanigans/soft reboot leaves the MCU looking a little different after Secret Wars. He’ll probably end up with the “real” Mary Jane then.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if Zendaya just doesn't want to be remembered as Spiderman's girlfriend for most of her career. It's weird cause they got married in real life. But maybe she wants to move on in terms of movies.

I guess the phrase, "Once you go black you never go back" doesn't quite apply here, huh?

[ZariusTwo]

One of the people involved in the film's soundtrack spoiled Sadie's character on the red carpet.

Spoiler:

It's Jean Grey. Just as we all figured. She's misunderstood just as the leaks said.

Post-credits

Spoiler:

Ned's spider-tracker indicates Peter is no longer on Earth

[neatoman]

Jean being

Spoiler:

the main villain is an odd choice. I mean, I know about Dark Phoenix and all that but Jean herself, not some weird alien god entering her, being a villain seems like an odd choice, even if she sees the light at the end.

[Daytona]

It’s no Spider-Man 2 but it is one of the better MCU movies.

The biggest improvement is general look and feel of the film. The heavier use of practical effects and stunts along with the new outfit add more tangibility to everything.

I have issues with the script but it’s much better than the last two. Part of my problem is I just don’t like being weighed down with this magic spell nonsense carried over from No Way Home, but it is what it is.

Overall it’s a Huge step in the right direction. Probably the best Holland film with Homecoming a close second. I don’t really care for the other two.

[Andrew NDB]

So I guess if

Spoiler:

Jean is here and a mutant, in the MCU proper now with her proper MCU version, and she's not here because of any multiversal hijinks... that is confirmation that all MCU (NOT Fox-Men) mutants are already and have been already running around the MCU for decades. That it won't be some merging of universes that will bring about the coming of X-men mutants into the MCU

.

Right? Which is kind of a relief, IMO.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So I guess if

Spoiler:

Jean is here and a mutant, in the MCU proper now with her proper MCU version, and she's not here because of any multiversal hijinks... that is confirmation that all MCU (NOT Fox-Men) mutants are already and have been already running around the MCU for decades. That it won't be some merging of universes that will bring about the coming of X-men mutants into the MCU

.

Right? Which is kind of a relief, IMO.

This version of her is definitely native to the MCU, yes. And presumably there will be native versions of those characters.

Spoiler:

Although, the word "Mutant" isn't really used here, even if it's very clearly hinted that Jean's powers are natural and that something about naturally occurring superpowers is considered a particular threat. Not sure why they shy away from the word, they're obviously going to use it later.

Jean also isn't associated with any team or other major character. I was kind of expected her to be manipulated by like Magneto (there is a scene where Peter says his inhibitor is malfunctioning due to magnetic interference) or Mr. Sinister but it turns out that everything she does is her own choice. I do kinda wonder if Damage Control is a front for Weapon X or something though, the whole experimentation on a mutant thing gives off some Weapon X vibes.

As for merging universes, I never assumed that would be the case because... Well, not because of any storytelling reasons more because... Anna Paquin was the youngest actor in the first X-Men movie and she's 44, some the others in that one are pushing 90 by now. If they're planning to go another 20 years or something, it doesn't make much sense to use actors who are mostly in their 50's and 60's now. I mean, just in ten years, can you imagine a 70 year old Halle Berry still playing Storm unless it's a reunion thing?

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So I guess if

Spoiler:

Jean is here and a mutant, in the MCU proper now with her proper MCU version, and she's not here because of any multiversal hijinks... that is confirmation that all MCU (NOT Fox-Men) mutants are already and have been already running around the MCU for decades. That it won't be some merging of universes that will bring about the coming of X-men mutants into the MCU

.

Right? Which is kind of a relief, IMO.

This also lends credibility to the idea that the FoX-Men will generally be cameo's in Doomsday.

Maybe we will see their return in Secret Wars, but I imagine, like No Way Home, they will dissolve back to their realities at the end and the new MCU will have it's own mutants.

[Andrew NDB]

I was thinking given all the evidence that we wouldn't get the "Real" MCU X-Men until the dust settled at the end of either Doomsday or the middle of Secret Wars and they'd be borne out of some kind of mashing of the remains of the "vanquished" Fox-Men and the MCU, giving us fresh young actors playing those parts who have suddenly always been in the "new" MCU.

Which I thought was MESSY! And unnecessary.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I was thinking given all the evidence that we wouldn't get the "Real" MCU X-Men until the dust settled at the end of either Doomsday or the middle of Secret Wars and they'd be borne out of some kind of mashing of the remains of the "vanquished" Fox-Men and the MCU, giving us fresh young actors playing those parts who have suddenly always been in the "new" MCU.

Which I thought was MESSY! And unnecessary.

Nooo....

that's already squashed by Jean Grey appearing in the new Spider-Man flick. There's no "meld" necessary. The FoX-Men are simply "another universe".

Maybe they'll find a way to keep Gambit around given that he's suddenly popular after Deadpool & Wolverine.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Nooo....

that's already squashed by Jean Grey appearing in the new Spider-Man flick. There's no "meld" necessary. The FoX-Men are simply "another universe".

Right. That's what I was saying with my Jean Grey post. I'm happy I was wrong with my pre-Jean-confirmation-in-SM4 theory.

Maybe they'll find a way to keep Gambit around given that he's suddenly popular after Deadpool & Wolverine.

Oof... Gambit of course, but Tatum? I think they have to be just screwing around with him given the nature of Doomsday and possibly Secret Wars. Tatum is going to be 50 years old by the time X-Men comes out and I doubt they're going to be going anywhere near that old for Rogue, and surely they'd want to do the romance.

[neatoman]

Well, yeah, I don't think it was ever any doubt that the MCU X-Men would be the MCU's own new version of the X-Men, rather than the FOX Universe getting folded into the MCU. It's pretty obvious that dealing with the aging actors and confused old continuity wouldn't be worth it, maybe if Disney bought FOX and Marvel at around the same time in like 2009 or so but certainly not after they've made 37 movies in the MCU and 13 FOX X-Men movies, in that case one clearly has to go and it wouldn't be the shorter one.

In case I need to be more clear, maybe, just maybe, they would have considered just saying Phase 1 and and the first four X-Men were always in the same universe had Disney gotten their hands on both companies before more things could be made. Saying Age of Ultron and Days of Future Past happened in the same universe on the other hand is absurd, because then you'd have to deal with contradictory depictions of Quicksilver, which is just one example.