Macklemore shouts "FREE PALESTINE", (tour) chaos ensues

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by TheLabRat

No interest in Macklemore and Ed Sheeran or their music, but I believe no one likes someone who deliberately sabotages their friend's event. He's either an uncultured fool or a backstabber.

Ed hasn’t weighed in on it at all. It was the tour promoter who made the unilateral decision to drop Macklemore.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Mad Dog McMutt

Free Palestine!!!

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Free what?

From Hamas, I guess? Palestine (Gaza and the West Bank) aren't ruled by Israel. So I dunno what people mean by "Free Palestine" exactly.

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Anecdotal but a story worth sharing that even made it to German news:

My co-worker was married to a Palestinian in the 1990s. After their divorce, he returned to Gaza and started a new family. They kept in touch because of their two children and she often urged him to move away. Which he didn‘t because he didn‘t want to re-locate with his new family. The guy was not politically active in any way or even religious.

Then in 2014, his house was hit by an Israeli bomb. He and his wife and their five children were immediately killed. All this, long before the current mess.

Their oldest son has become a radical activist who has condoned the 2023 Hamas attacks. Which is terrible but every radicalization has some beginning.

He returned to Gaza? I know home is where your heart is, but that's kinda crazy. Who'd even want to live in the Gaza strip?

Why was their house hit by a bomb? Collateral damage or was it deliberate? Did IDF believe they were hiding some Hamas member?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Prowler

From Hamas, I guess? Palestine (Gaza and the West Bank) aren't ruled by Israel. So I dunno what people mean by "Free Palestine" exactly.

The ones that actually "know" what they mean and aren't just just blindly raging against whatever the current thing to rage against is, they mean "Wipe Israel off the map and everybody in it and give it all to absolutely anybody else but the Jews" or at the very least a general sort of, "Jews suck!" with a little fake asterisk next to it that explains, "LOL, no no, silly, I mean only the Jews that like their home country! Those are the only bad ones," but really with a winky emoji.

Gazans overwhelmingly voted for Hamas twenty years ago and at last polling still overwhelmingly support them. Iran has a far more tumultuous relationship with its "support" from its citizens, who it openly executes in the tens of thousands routinely at any hint of dissent... yet still complete silence on any kind of "Free Iran!" Which is pretty telling but not at all surprising: one involves the Jews and one doesn't.

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[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The ones that actually "know" what they mean and aren't just just blindly raging against whatever the current thing to rage against is, they mean "Wipe Israel off the map and everybody in it and give it all to absolutely anybody else but the Jews" or at the very least a general sort of, "Jews suck!" with a little fake asterisk next to it that explains, "LOL, no no, silly, I mean only the Jews that like their home country! Those are the only bad ones," but really with a winky emoji.

Gazans overwhelmingly voted for Hamas twenty years ago and at last polling still overwhelmingly support them. Iran has a far more tumultuous relationship with its "support" from its citizens, who it openly executes in the tens of thousands routinely at any hint of dissent... yet still complete silence on any kind of "Free Iran!" Which is pretty telling but not at all surprising: one involves the Jews and one doesn't.

Well, the "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" pretty much implies that. Lots of Palestinians openly admire Hitler. al-Husayni himself, the Great Mufti of Jerusalem during the British Mandate of Palestine, worked with the Nazis.

And it's crazy to me how tons of people seem to ignore Hamas' atrocities. I've even heard someone tell me earlier this year that Hamas are not a terrorist group. That's a wild thing to claim.

Hamas also executes Palestinians, but ofc, the pro-Palestine people don't talk about that. Somehow, Palestinians are all innocent in the eyes of millions of people worldwide...

It is kinda funny how Israel gets so demonised while Saudi Arabia, UAE, China, Myanmar (they were slaughtering Muslims recently. Dunno if they still are) seem to get a pass for the bad stuff they do.

Most people generally agree that Russia are the bad guys in the Ukraine conflict, but yet, random Russian people don't get subjected to hate crimes abroad like random Jewish people, who often are not even Israeli, do. Open Twitter or Instagram and you'll see the occasional person saying "the painter was right".

I suspect some Europeans are trying, deep down, to either justify or get some sort of forgiveness for the pogroms and the Holocaust in the first half of the 20th century when they badmouth Israel. It's like, they're trying to feel vindicated or something. "See? We told you so".

And, for the record, I often see news about Israel killing journalists, kids, teachers, paramedics, etc... and they turn out to be Hamas members. But, somehow, the international media does not point that out.

The UN also has given out more condemnations for Israel than any other country. Meanwhile, China has 0, Afghanistan only has 1... this is laughable.

I don't know how Hamas are so good at propaganda, honestly. In a way, props to them. And, if anything, it disproves the conspiracy theory that the Jews control the media. I see media outlets from all around the world saying negative things about Israel every single day. Hell, the very existence of Al-Jazeera alone should clue in people already on how that narrative about the Jews controlling the media is complete bullsh*t.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Free Palestine is very simple.

Gaza is an Open Air Prison that has been blockaded by Israel for a long, long time by air and sea. The West Bank has been continuously settled by Israeli settlements deemed illegal under International Law.

Israel does these two things because they believe the land is historically promised to those who have Jewish Blood and because of that, the following two situations arise:

1) There can be no independent Palestinian state because Zionists believe that God promised them that land.
2) Israel and Palestine cannot merge into one state because that would compromise a Jewish Majority, which is a core tenet of Zionism.

Free Palestine is about opposing those two things which are rooted in Jewish Ethnonationalism, a belief that a state needs to have a Jewish Blood Majority and that being of Jewish Blood gives you a right to live there.

Ethnonationalism is disgusting in all forms. People will rightfully call you out of you advocate for a White Majority state that said Whites are promised a piece of land, because its not only immoral but leads to Genocide when it has been tried on a mass scale.

The same standard is not applied to Jewish Ethnonnationalism by Western Governments which support Israel. That is straight up Jewish Racial Supremacy, there is no getting around it and unlike things you mention like Hamas' atrocities, these things are supported by many Western Governments, hence the millions of protestors in those countries.

[ToTheNines]

Also worth mentioning that the other figure at the center of this is Robert Kraft. Good buddies with the late, great Jeffrey Epstein.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Gaza is an Open Air Prison that has been blockaded by Israel for a long, long time by air and sea.

That's a funny way of saying Israel gave it to them 20 years ago, hands-off. No one has been telling them they can't leave... except maybe Egypt, who don't want any Palestinians crossing their border because they know how radical they are and how unstablizing they'd be if they ever let them in.

1) There can be no independent Palestinian state because Zionists believe that God promised them that land.

But it's about "who was there first," right? Jews were in Israel 3,000-4,000 years ago.

2) Israel and Palestine cannot merge into one state because that would compromise a Jewish Majority, which is a core tenet of Zionism.

Also a core tenet of not getting wiped out about 5 minutes after not being a majority. Which is what would happen. Which isn't to say there aren't plenty of Muslims living in Israel right now. There's even Muslims in their government.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Having the sea and air blockaded is a funny way of saying hands off.

Are you a Jewish Ethnonationalist? I know you are, but I'd like you to admit it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Are you a Jewish Ethnonationalist? I know you are, but I'd like you to admit it.

I've never heard that term but I'm assuming it's Commie gobbledygook for, basically, "someonethat doesn't buy into Jews doing a holocaust in Gaza."

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I've never heard that term but I'm assuming it's Commie gobbledygook for, basically, "someonethat doesn't buy into Jews doing a holocaust in Gaza."

It means someone who believes that Israel has to remain a Racially Jewish Majority state and that being of Jewish Blood gives you a right of return to Israel.

If you believe those things for Jews but not other races, you are a Jewish Supremacist. If you believe in Ethnostates for other Races too, you're still a Racist.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

It means someone who believes that Israel has to remain a Racially Jewish Majority state and that being of Jewish Blood gives you a right of return to Israel.

They have a right to remain whatever state they want to because it's their state. Why get into some racial sh**? The same way Poland and Hungary don't have to take a bunch of Muslims if they don't want to.

If you believe those things for Jews but not other races, you are a Jewish Supremacist. If you believe in Ethnostates for other Races too, you're still a Racist.

Yes, yes, says the man who openly wants a dictatorship. Always the best arbiter of what is just and right and who is racist, etc..

gtfoh.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

They have a right to remain whatever state they want to because it's their state. Why get into some racial sh**? The same way Poland and Hungary don't have to take a bunch of Muslims if they don't want to.

Why get into Racial s*it, you say? Stop being antisemitic, the Jewish Race was promised that piece of land by virtue of their blood, it's the entire foundation of Israel. It's absolutely Racial, don't you deny their Racial character.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yes, yes, says the man who openly wants a dictatorship. Always the best arbiter of what is just and right and who is racist, etc..

gtfoh.

I want an equal Opportunity Dictatorship where all Races are treated with Loving Acceptance. Checkmate!

[ToTheNines]

I know Andrew always plays the “dictator” trump card when you guys argue. Historically, dictatorship = bad, but I don’t see how a benevolent dictator is somehow worse than our stupid democracy where we’ve been “electing” from the same pool of crooks, rapists and frauds for the past 70 years.

Even if you’re a true believer of one side or the other, it’s a pretty sad state of affairs when an organization like the DNC is able to wield any power in this country.

Anyway, the problem with the benevolent dictator is… what happens when he dies?

[Andrew NDB]

Benevolent dictators? Is that like the mythical socialism that actually works?

[ToTheNines]

There certainly aren’t any modern or even recent examples. Doesn’t mean it’s not possible. There was a time when no one on earth could fathom anything other than kings and queens.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I want an equal Opportunity Dictatorship where all Races are treated with Loving Acceptance. Checkmate!

There will be no such thing in our lifetimes, and the left especially won't let what they think they want happen with how they approach that intention.

[ZariusTwo]

Sheeran finally spoke out about Garza at the start of his performance yesterday, clearly reading from a teleprompter.

[Barkworm]

This thread had been okay so far but I'll go ahead and lock it before the inevitable happens.