Ban discussions

[ToTheNines]

Huge W for cybercubed. You hate to see it! I wonder who will be next?

[ZariusTwo]

Seeing the Drome veteran membership steadily diminish this decade has been a study of mine the last few months. Usually I find it all begins to happen just after the 2016 election, during Covid (which is always the worrying part) or during or after the '24 election.

I think there should be a wide-spread ban on political discussion, it's driven, I feel, most of the good people away or changed members for the worse. I've gone from trying to see the pros and cons of both sides to just seeing the world game for what it is and walking away from it.

Some just don't get to have 20 year runs on forums, as some forums simply don't last that long, it becomes something of a second home to you, and sometimes you can perceive it to be a refuge also....but this is a very divided house nowadays that invites a lot of talk that is just...unbecoming of the values that the FW TMNT at the very least, which this forum was named after, instilled in us at a young age

[ToTheNines]

Wouldn’t hurt my feelings. There’s not that many of us and I could tell you precisely what each and every regular poster would likely say about any given news article without even asking them, so it’s all pretty boring. I’ve never seen anyone change their mind as a result of a debate here.

My real instinct is to let the GD section be a free-for-all and let the chips fall how they may. But if we’re not going to do that, then I agree. Ban all political crap. I don’t really care for gray areas.

Take it to facebook lol.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Vegita-san has been banned for repeated racist posts.

It’s about ****ing time

[IMJ]

i think there's a real fine line between discourse about immigration and overwhelming-cultural-destruction, cultural-adhesion, etc & "racism". And that nuance is lost on a lot of people. Vegita-San would try to make nationalist-points, points of cultural maintenance, etc. But if you can't frame it correctly, or stick by your guns appropriately, then it devolves into "racism".

When you make a point and leave yourself open to the fool's perspective then you are living the classic George Carlin line - "never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". I guess the real question here is "does the guy deserve a permanent ban from a place he's been supporting for decades"? I don't know... I'm just putting it out there. If it was me doing the modding here, I'd have hit him with a "What the f', dude?" and maybe two weeks in the hole.

[sdp]

No politics is for the best which is why it's even a rule even if unenforced. I actually don't care except when it spills over to threads in other sections.
Granted it's sometimes impossible to not bring up some Identity politics stuff in certain media but as long as it doesn't take over threadis the fine line I think.

I liked Vegitas original creations, but I do think the meltdowns he used to have particularly against women were ban worthy

[Barkworm]

Does anyone remember what it was like when we tried to ban political discussions completely in 2019? It meant that any comment on Trump, Russia or 'wokeness' were deleted. Andrew got a temp ban once. It's silly.

Just don't be maniacs to each other. Wishing death on people or wishing for ethnic cleansing openly is disgusting. It's not that hard.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Does anyone remember what it was like when we tried to ban political discussions completely in 2019? It meant that any comment on Trump, Russia or 'wokeness' were deleted. Andrew got a temp ban once. It's silly.

Just don't be maniacs to each other. Wishing death on people or wishing for ethnic cleansing openly is disgusting. It's not that hard.

Fair enough. Not a hard ask, at all lmao

Although, I don’t think Vegita was being a “maniac”. I certainly didn’t like or agree with anything he was saying this part week, but it was all just backwards **** my grandfather would have said back in the day.

Oh well. Maybe he will team up with Goku now

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Does anyone remember what it was like when we tried to ban political discussions completely in 2019? It meant that any comment on Trump, Russia or 'wokeness' were deleted.

Like sdp said, as "wokeness" and its like creeped more and more into the arts which the left seemed to militarize for their Message™ there really wasn't any NOT talking about it. Or if so, it'd be blatantly ignoring the elephant in the room. Every room, just about. And the thought of just sitting there quietly letting them do it and pretending everything is fine and dandy is pretty upsetting, because that's exactly what they hope we'll do.

Like, WE didn't make them put all that identity politics crap in stuff suddenly. Don't get mad at US for noticing and not liking it.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Does anyone remember what it was like when we tried to ban political discussions completely in 2019? It meant that any comment on Trump, Russia or 'wokeness' were deleted. Andrew got a temp ban once. It's silly.

Just don't be maniacs to each other. Wishing death on people or wishing for ethnic cleansing openly is disgusting. It's not that hard.

2019? Way before that. Political threads were forbidden for a long time here. They were not allowed around 2009-2015 or so. When I joined in 2009, such discussions were restricted to the defunct Volcanic Asteroid.

I remember you banning Andrew for a week or so for making a political thread around 2017 when you momentarily came back to the forums.

That's why Current Events, for years, was just one big obituary forum.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Not to beat a dead horse but this might seal the deal.

Sumac has an account on Dtf.ru under Shadowsumac where he posts in Russian. After Deception was banned, he was online trying to get back in as you can see under 'who's online'.

At the exact same time, I opened Sumac's profile in Dtf.Ru and he was online there too.

How do you even know that? Do you speak Russian yourself? That's unexpected.

[sdp]

You took some liberties when quoting what I said

[Andrew NDB]

What is this Dtf.ru? I'd like to go and say hi to Sumac.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by sdp

You took some liberties when quoting what I said

I didn't quote you?!

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What is this Dtf.ru? I'd like to go and say hi to Sumac.

...you're gonna join a website written in a language you, presumably, cannot read or speak at all? Even if you resort to google translate and your browser's "translate webpage" feature, there's still gonna be a bit of barrier. Also, when you register on any website, you get a confirmation e-mail. You're going to understand an e-mail fully written in Russian?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Prowler

How do you even know that? Do you speak Russian yourself? That's unexpected.

I found it through a bit of Google Searching. Sumac also has a YouTube and he commentated over Minecraft Footage or something.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What is this Dtf.ru? I'd like to go and say hi to Sumac.

https://dtf.ru/id503970

Here's his profile, you'll need Google Translate. I have no idea how to join lol.

[Prowler]

Was Vegita-san's ban permanent? Usually, forums/online communities don't forgive when it comes to banning people for saying racist stuff.

[ToTheNines]

I say this all the time but it’s so funny that this place has the reputation that it does, but look what gets you banned here lmao

This is a liberal democracy!

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Prowler

Was Vegita-san's ban permanent? Usually, forums/online communities don't forgive when it comes to banning people for saying racist stuff.

Oh, absolutely.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Does anyone remember what it was like when we tried to ban political discussions completely in 2019? It meant that any comment on Trump, Russia or 'wokeness' were deleted. Andrew got a temp ban once. It's silly.

Just don't be maniacs to each other. Wishing death on people or wishing for ethnic cleansing openly is disgusting. It's not that hard.

Exactly. Couldn't agree more.

And this concept is the exact reason that we took a very confrontational, hard-nosed stance against low emotional-intelligence or against the assumptive-trap-arguments several years back.

Some people here like to go on about how the "board lost good members who didn't want to deal with xyz anymore" but the truth is that when you argue the socio-political environment by arbitrarily calling people "misogynists" or "racists" we don't need you. Just as much as we don't need the people who can't articulate their 'nationalist" perspective well enough to make the point valid rather than an "ism".

Basically, people can talk politics just fine when they aren't a peasant-thinker. Don't ban the political discourse and instead take a stand against the clown-world.