US American politics - Page 117

*ToTheNines* · 11-12-2026, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkworm

Ugh, can I just delete this full page and a bit before that? Or does anyone feel super confident about their posts and wants to keep them?

I’m just being an idiot, so I don’t care lol

*Mayhem* · 11-12-2026, 04:02 PM

One thing I wish the cycle of kids learning from their parents could be broken. Kids don't care what colour their friends are at school.

*Andrew NDB* · 11-12-2026, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mayhem

One thing I wish the cycle of kids learning from their parents could be broken. Kids don't care what colour their friends are at school.

Yeah, that's what it was like when I was a kid growing up in the 90s. Nobody cared what color their friends are and we were actively taught NOT to see color.

This was all reversed during right around Obama's 2nd term. Now color is the most important thing (unless white) and victimhood is currency.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 11-12-2026, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, that's what it was like when I was a kid growing up in the 90s. Nobody cared what color their friends are and we were actively taught NOT to see color.

This was all reversed during right around Obama's 2nd term. Now color is the most important thing (unless white) and victimhood is currency.

Your experience as a kid doesn't negate that the system is broken and results in worse outcomes for certain demographics.

All the history of racial discrimination in the U.S. has resulted in certain groups falling behind consistently, that is a fact.

What was done wrong by societal institutions, also needs to be fixed by societal institutions. Things don't turn out fine in a world of pre-existing power structures when everyone "lets bygones be bygones".

*Andrew NDB* · 11-12-2026, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

All the history of racial discrimination in the U.S. has resulted in certain groups falling behind consistently, that is a fact.

Not remotely. Mostly that's evidenced by a lack of dads being around and societal issues in the home, 0 to do with imaginary racism. How else do you explain Asian excelling more than any other group in spite of all that "Stop Asian Hate"?

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 11-12-2026, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Not remotely. Mostly that's evidenced by a lack of dads being around and societal issues in the home, 0 to do with imaginary racism. How else do you explain Asian excelling more than any other group in spite of all that "Stop Asian Hate"?

Those societal issues you speak of don't come out of nowhere. Marginalised groups like blacks tend to grow up in more broken homes, it's not a coincidence.

Asian Americans have their own set of unique circumstances, but they absolutely have not gone through what blacks have gone through, we all know that.

*ToTheNines* · 11-12-2026, 05:49 PM

No, Andrew has a point. Things weren’t perfect, but art and culture were in a much healthier place than recent history.

Nickelodeon had Hey Arnold, Rocket Power, All That, etc. All shows with diverse casts that everyone loved and wasn’t weird about it.

Cartoon Network had Power Puff Girls, Samurai Jack and Justice League (my Green Lantern is BLACK!). Same thing.

Family Matters, Fresh Prince and The Cosby Show were some of the biggest sitcoms.

I’m personally not throwing Obama’s name out there as a contributing factor to the nonsense, but yeah Andrew hit the nail on the head with round about 2012 being when Tumblr-brain started taking over the internet and the arts. SAD!

*IMJ* · 11-12-2026, 06:13 PM

"Racism" is a greater crutch for the weak than religion. Because "racism" as an excuse that supports both sides of weakness - the need to attack as well as the need to blame something other than "self".

*Mayhem* · 11-12-2026, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Asian Americans have their own set of unique circumstances, but they absolutely have not gone through what blacks have gone through, we all know that.

Aside from also getting thrown into internment camps during WW2... that still carried on in some form of discrimination 20-30 years or more.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 11-12-2026, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by IMJ

"Racism" is a greater crutch for the weak than religion. Because "racism" as an excuse that supports both sides of weakness - the need to attack as well as the need to blame something other than "self".

I used to think as a kid that society has grown out of racism and that we have evolved to not be prejduced after the racially motivated horrors of World War 2.

Growing up, I think I was extremely naive. Systemic racism is alive and well, it just dresses itself up as "Western civilisation" and "Judeo-Christian values."

What we know of all the racist societies of the past, I think it's important not to forget that they were not "crazies", they were regular people like you and me.

*ToTheNines* · 11-12-2026, 08:42 PM

Every single white guy I know wanted Mike Tyson to beat the hell out of Jake Paul. I think racism has been defeated.

*Andrew NDB* · 11-12-2026, 08:47 PM

Or, you know, when we voted in a black president. And then voted him in again. As a kid the promise was always that while we "aren't ready for a black president" (Tupac's words) that surely the coming of one would be it. That'd be the end of racism. And it should have been. But Obama racialized everything in that second term and that was the genesis of all the race-baiting we see today. Had to manufacture more supply to meet the demand.

*Mayhem* · Yesterday, 12:54 AM

Radicalised everything how? Because to us outside, it appeared he lost the Houses like Trump during his second term and basically couldn’t do anything much until the next election.

*sdp* · Yesterday, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Every single white guy I know wanted Mike Tyson to beat the hell out of Jake Paul. I think racism has been defeated.

But who won?

*ToTheNines* · Yesterday, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sdp

But who won?

Racism, unfortunately.

The war is far from over…

**Barkworm** · Yesterday, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Or, you know, when we voted in a black president. And then voted him in again. As a kid the promise was always that while we "aren't ready for a black president" (Tupac's words) that surely the coming of one would be it. That'd be the end of racism. And it should have been. But Obama racialized everything in that second term and that was the genesis of all the race-baiting we see today. Had to manufacture more supply to meet the demand.

First, the idea of voting for a black guy equals ending racism is extreeeeeemely over-simplified and confuses a historic milestone with the end of a problem. It also ignores the fact that Obama mainly won because of a huge majority of non-white voters who voted for him while only 43 per cent of white voters went for him in 2008 and only 39 per cent voted for him in 2012. Of course that doesn‘t mean that everyone else was racist but it‘s also a far cry from ‘ That'd be the end of racism.‘

Also, he didn‘t ‘racialize everything‘. This study by Princeton University shows that Obama gave no more attention to race in his major speeches than his predecessors. Policy-wise, his only big achievement in race-related politics was the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010. His ‘achievements‘ in race-related politics were mostly the symbolism of his election.

The increase in racial polarization since about 2014 is indisputable but from my research and general knowledge there‘s very little evidence that supports the idea that Obama was an active factor for it.

*ToTheNines* · Yesterday, 05:20 AM

I agree. But if Obama never made fun of Trump at that White House Correspondents Dinner, he never would have ran.

**Barkworm** · Yesterday, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I agree. But if Obama never made fun of Trump at that White House Correspondents Dinner, he never would have ran.

If that was true, I‘d have to correct myself: That would be his most significant contribution to racial polarization.

*Coola Yagami* · Yesterday, 08:14 AM

So now the orange doofus wants to double tariff Mexico over non-existent caravans lining up by the border.

Someone tell Grandpa to stop chasing windmills and step down. Time for the 25th.

*Coola Yagami* · Yesterday, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Every single white guy I know wanted Mike Tyson to beat the hell out of Jake Paul. I think racism has been defeated.

That's cause nobody likes Jake Paul. Everybody wanted to see that dumbass get his **** rocked.

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11-12-2026, 05:49 PM	#2327
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,397	No, Andrew has a point. Things weren’t perfect, but art and culture were in a much healthier place than recent history. Nickelodeon had Hey Arnold, Rocket Power, All That, etc. All shows with diverse casts that everyone loved and wasn’t weird about it. Cartoon Network had Power Puff Girls, Samurai Jack and Justice League (my Green Lantern is BLACK!). Same thing. Family Matters, Fresh Prince and The Cosby Show were some of the biggest sitcoms. I’m personally not throwing Obama’s name out there as a contributing factor to the nonsense, but yeah Andrew hit the nail on the head with round about 2012 being when Tumblr-brain started taking over the internet and the arts. SAD!

11-12-2026, 08:42 PM	#2331
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,397	Every single white guy I know wanted Mike Tyson to beat the hell out of Jake Paul. I think racism has been defeated.

11-12-2026, 08:47 PM	#2332
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,590	Or, you know, when we voted in a black president. And then voted him in again. As a kid the promise was always that while we "aren't ready for a black president" (Tupac's words) that surely the coming of one would be it. That'd be the end of racism. And it should have been. But Obama racialized everything in that second term and that was the genesis of all the race-baiting we see today. Had to manufacture more supply to meet the demand.

Yesterday, 05:20 AM	#2337
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,397	I agree. But if Obama never made fun of Trump at that White House Correspondents Dinner, he never would have ran.

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Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,727	So now the orange doofus wants to double tariff Mexico over non-existent caravans lining up by the border. Someone tell Grandpa to stop chasing windmills and step down. Time for the 25th.