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[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

So now the orange doofus wants to double tariff Mexico over non-existent caravans lining up by the border.

Someone tell Grandpa to stop chasing windmills and step down. Time for the 25th.

[member_removed]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, that's what it was like when I was a kid growing up in the 90s. Nobody cared what color their friends are and we were actively taught NOT to see color.

This was all reversed during right around Obama's 2nd term. Now color is the most important thing (unless white) and victimhood is currency.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Or, you know, when we voted in a black president. And then voted him in again. As a kid the promise was always that while we "aren't ready for a black president" (Tupac's words) that surely the coming of one would be it. That'd be the end of racism. And it should have been. But Obama racialized everything in that second term and that was the genesis of all the race-baiting we see today. Had to manufacture more supply to meet the demand.

Sounds like someone has Obama Derangement Syndrome!

[Coola Yagami]

How exactly did Obama 'radicalize everything'?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I feel like I have to be the one to point out that Andrew said racialised and not radicalised.

Not that I agree with Andrew, I think that DEI measures are the opposite of racialising.

As flawed as they could be in execution, the aim of DEI is to fix unequal racial outcomes.

The status quo has never been racially equal. We've made progress, but there's a long way to go.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by member_removed

Sounds like someone has Obama Derangement Syndrome!

I'm not certain if you're joking. But taking you at face value, whuh? I voted for him both times. Even Hilary in 2016.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

How exactly did Obama 'radicalize everything'?

Your skimming over my post and seeing EXACTLY what you wanted to see based on your own captured ideology is pretty much my ongoing point about you, man. In seeing "radicalizing" in my "racializing" comment.

Again, I'm really sorry. You deserve better. You've been lied to. I know I'm not going to be able to convince you different or anyone else around here.

But to build a tiny bit (and I can go on in depth):

Yes, Obama's second term did plunge us into the "race war." I didn't really see it until it was long in the hindsight, but it seems fairly clear now. It began with Treyvon. "I would imagine Treyvon could even be my son!" And then suddenly Obama took a turn and some change of goodwill (and as far as I'm concerned he WAS a good president up until that point, and no one can argue super charismatic) and threw it down the drain to divide us. He made it all about black people being hunted by police, there's a war against black people, and boy, you better reelect me unless you don't want this to stop. And the rest of his term was all about that. And all of the people we would look at today as "the usual race hustlers" got their start here, ground zero.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Not that I agree with Andrew, I think that DEI measures are the opposite of racialising.

As flawed as they could be in execution, the aim of DEI is to fix unequal racial outcomes.

I think we can sum up DEI as "unintentional consequences." Beyond it being a bit racist on its face, we end up with scenarios like this:

* Fire departments being forced to turn away burly, muscled 250 pound white dudes excited and ready to dive in and pull people out of fires because they have to hire at least 35% this-or-that. So you get.... this-or-that. Who may not be 250 pounds. And they may not even be able to pass the mandated physical. So because of DEI they lower the physical. Then they get in and they can't pull out people from fires.

* "We need black pilots!" OK. That's a noble goal, right? But there aren't that many signing up to be that. So you have a huge pool of overqualified white guys who've flown 5000 hours but you have to pass them over to hire the 20 black guys who have flown 800 hours and seem generally OK. To meet that quota.

* "We need black doctors!" Same example as the last one, really.

The ongoing thread is the confusion of "equality" with "equity," with "equity" being the E in DEI. If it was "Equality," then it would be all well and good. "Equity" is where we get into ripping people down to prop others up, whether it is races or people who worked hard to help those that didn't.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Are there really cases of firemen's physical standards being lowered to specifically accomodate non-whites?

I'm open to being persuaded otherwise, but I highly doubt it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Are there really cases of firemen's physical standards being lowered to specifically accomodate non-whites?

I'm open to being persuaded otherwise, but I highly doubt it.

[Barkworm]

Not saying what Carolla experienced was a good thing but

1. his story doesn't necessarily mean that 'physical standards were lowered'. He's talking about a hiring quota, not that he was to buff for the job or whatever.
2. it's not the greatest example to emphasize your point because he's talking about something that happened 40 years ago. The decree he mentions was terminated in 2002.

[IMJ]

Oh for God's sake - I've seen it firsthand. Fat, maladaptive weird chick comes to tac practice and you can literally see the eagerness of inclusion in her eyes as if she's "doing it" while everyone's practice is widely wasted as we accommodate her by dumbing down our outputs.

And when the team is called in real-life she's largely sidelined because not only is she ineffective but we can't afford to feed her ego and fill-in the blanks on her childhood by weakening the team in a real situation.

Happens all the time and it's only very rarely that truly capable examples of uncommon team members manifest where you'd pick up their slack. It's usually some kind of clown with weird psychology and the wrong thing to prove.

It's literally the same psychology and some liberal-moron going on about "fairness in the US" and then she travels to Iraq to "celebrate the culture" and they rape her in the streets. It's a clown show of poor psychology.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Oh for God's sake - I've seen it firsthand. Fat, maladaptive weird chick comes to tac practice and you can literally see the eagerness of inclusion in her eyes as if she's "doing it" while everyone's practice is widely wasted as we accommodate her by dumbing down our outputs.

And when the team is called in real-life she's largely sidelined because not only is she ineffective but we can't afford to feed her ego and fill-in the blanks on her childhood by weakening the team in a real situation.

So, that person was sidelined when it mattered? That means real-world performance standards weren’t compromised. Cool.