IDW Vol. 2 #24 preview/discussion - Page 3

TylerD · Yesterday, 06:36 AM

I haven’t read the shredder solo comic yet. I should really get the graphic novel when it comes out. I’m hearing good things.

My reading is down last couple years. Stinkin kids…. Hockey, soccer, work, been getting lazy with my reading. Just the main titles of everything lately and absolute Batman. I always love the micro series and side series like TMNT journeys.

*CyberCubed* · Yesterday, 06:59 AM

The writers do tend to reverse things quickly, so yeah Shredder probably won't be leading the EPF too much longer. Just think about all the other things that felt like status quo changes they quickly reverse:

1. Casey working with Karai and being part of the Foot Clan? Only went on a single story arc or two. Also what happened to that blue stuff making Casey crazier like his Mirage version? He's pretty back to normal now in IDW.

2. April working for Baxter again? Only went on a little while before he turned on her.

3. Alopex wearing a green bandana and declaring herself part of the Hamato clan? (lol), it barely lasted a few issues.

4. Venus training with Bludgeon and declaring herself part of the "Aura clan?" (LOL!!!!), only lasted a short time. Also Venus disappeared entirely despite going with Yoshi and Shen to the afterlife when she died?

5. Everything to do with Metalhead, from him being Don's toy to betraying him?

6. Zodi and the snake working for Karai as mutant henchmen after they left Null? Or Karai gaining more mutant henchmen in general? Only lasted a single arc and then Zodi got captured and the female snake lady disappeared.

7. The whole Yoshi Chen Dog Star Gang story rivaling Karai's Foot? Pretty much gone unless Yoshi Chen gets some focus again.

8. Jennika as Nightwatcher? Only lasted her mini-series for 7 issues.

There's also other random stuff they reversed over time, like Harold and his wife being back on Earth again, Angel working with Alopex, Hun and Casey working together, now we have Slash and Ninjara together which I'm sure won't last, etc.

About the only status quo change that did last a long time is Mutant Town is still around, but its been pushed into the background nowadays at least.

GameCobra · Yesterday, 10:24 AM

It still sucked that some changes don't stick, but it's become pretty clear with the whole reincarnation cycle that the series decided to lean into it more rather than stick with the cool thing and keep them dead. It's going to be pretty episodic going forward.

I do hope if that's the angle they are going that they realize that the horror aspects of reincarnation would be a cooler angle to go with for the IDW version of turtles. The citizens were surprisingly convincing in these issues.

TylerD · Yesterday, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GameCobra

It still sucked that some changes don't stick, but it's become pretty clear with the whole reincarnation cycle that the series decided to lean into it more rather than stick with the cool thing and keep them dead. It's going to be pretty episodic going forward.

I do hope if that's the angle they are going that they realize that the horror aspects of reincarnation would be a cooler angle to go with for the IDW version of turtles. The citizens were surprisingly convincing in these issues.

Ya and unfortunately that is comics for you. Any character, any world can be changed at any time. Sometimes I find they change things way too fast. Kill characters off like splinter, shredder, Hun… bring them back to life. Team April up with Baxter only to have him turn on her as we all predicted he would. I never get too wrapped up on a character dying, or a major change in the story. At any time any writer can come along and completely change it as they see fit. I didn’t mind the “

*Coola Yagami* · Yesterday, 01:03 PM

It's the downside of constantly changing writers instead of it being one guy with a solid vision.

I mean all we need is some new writer to say 'i miss when shredder was evil and leading the foot clan' and bam, here we go again.

*ToTheNines* · Yesterday, 01:06 PM

Where are all the dead Utroms? Krang and Ch’rell died in NYC right? They should be back, too.

Heyowakka · Yesterday, 01:54 PM

All Utroms go to Heaven.

*CyberCubed* · Yesterday, 01:58 PM

Only humans come back to life.

TylerD · Yesterday, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Heyowakka

All Utroms go to Heaven.

Lmao. That needs to be a mini series asap

Dancefloran · Yesterday, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Where are all the dead Utroms? Krang and Ch’rell died in NYC right? They should be back, too.

Please I don't want to see those two again.
Every character candidate I listed in the other discussion can be back.

Heyowakka · Yesterday, 04:57 PM

Vernon Fenwick, Ace Reporter has yet to make his long awaited triumphant return as well.

TylerD · Yesterday, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dancefloran

Please I don't want to see those two again.
Every character candidate I listed in the other discussion can be back.

I like. chrell more. Wasn’t krang eaten by leather head? I can’t honestly remember how Ch’rell died

TheLabRat · Yesterday, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It's the downside of constantly changing writers instead of it being one guy with a solid vision.

I mean all we need is some new writer to say 'i miss when shredder was evil and leading the foot clan' and bam, here we go again.

Perhaps they will let him kill Tang Shen again.

TylerD · Yesterday, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLabRat

Perhaps they will let him kill Tang Shen again.

I think with her new role as guardian of the veil between the living and the dead I think she won’t be killed off for a while. This lets her be out of a storyline for a long time, and they can bring her back as guest appearances, but who knows. All it takes is a new writer that doesn’t like the fact that she is in the storyline and they can kill her off quite easily I guess lol

Dancefloran · Today, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TylerD

I like. chrell more. Wasn’t krang eaten by leather head? I can’t honestly remember how Ch’rell died

Krang supposedly died when Leatherhead ate him, which would have been a great conclusion, but Tom Waltz actually kept him alive. He didn't do much with it afterwards and had him executed by King Zenter in the Armageddon Game. At least Krang made cool comics covers.
Ch'rell was killed by Seri, thus briging a conclusion to her revenge arc.

TheLabRat · Today, 04:25 AM

Many major villains in the Armageddon Game arc are basically like this. Their involvement in the events was even less than minor villains like Null Turtles, and at least Null Turtles put clown wigs on all the ninja turtles except Leo.

*ToTheNines* · Today, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dancefloran

Krang supposedly died when Leatherhead ate him, which would have been a great conclusion, but Tom Waltz actually kept him alive. He didn't do much with it afterwards and had him executed by King Zenter in the Armageddon Game. At least Krang made cool comics covers.
Ch'rell was killed by Seri, thus briging a conclusion to her revenge arc.

Before Zenter killed him, he had been shot and killed by Kleve when he was still in Metalhead’s body, but somehow came back to life for a couple issues.

TylerD · Today, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dancefloran

Krang supposedly died when Leatherhead ate him, which would have been a great conclusion, but Tom Waltz actually kept him alive. He didn't do much with it afterwards and had him executed by King Zenter in the Armageddon Game. At least Krang made cool comics covers.
Ch'rell was killed by Seri, thus briging a conclusion to her revenge arc.

Oh lord. I can’t stand that. And what’s the point ? I read the series but I barely remember them bringing him back to life…. Like you said. Him being eaten by leatherhead was a perfect ending. It was one of my fond memories of that run lol. Seems pointless to do something like that to just keep him alive. Or bring him back so soon. At least keep him dead, and if they want to bring him back as a special appearance then they could have in a series like this where he’s a ghost or something…. And then get rid of him. Krang is a decent character but well over used. I would be fine to not see him again

*CyberCubed* · Today, 10:11 AM

Shredder coming back to life was inevitable but I'm still not keen on Splinter's return. He could have stayed as a spirit talking to the Turtles between the afterlife.

And now that Hun is back too, it feels kind of underwhelming. Slash is ok only because he was brainwashed for 20 issues by Bishop before dying, so it felt unfair to him that he died after that.

Dancefloran · Today, 01:26 PM

So the IDW Youtube channel released a Gene Yuen Lang X Stephanie Williams discussion video. I'm getting sympathetic to the guy, we can tell he really would have loved to stay longer with the TMNT if he didn't had other commitments.
I suppose he had personnal reasons for involving Xiang Fei Tong, Lao Ban, the Ghost Boys and the Chinese Hungry Ghost Festival in his story.

What I enjoyed :
- The Concept of Ujigami : Splinter coming back with his darker assassin persona
- The introduction of the Yomi-no-Kuni lore (Japanese mythos + multicutural references)
- Tang Shen's return which heals the Hamato family
- Shinigami and Papa Beng's introductions
- Casey Jones' emotional struggles with his family and the growing tension with the Hamato parents
- The idea of the Zombie-Ghosts who can return to life if they kill 1 life in exchange.
- They remembered the established lore with appearances of dead characters such as Hun, Cassandra Jones, Dexter Morgan Stockman, Toshiro and Bishop.
- Karai and Stockman still act as villains

What I didn't like :
- We have to accept that Shinigami is Karai's ninja-witch friend out of nowhere, where was she during the 150+ Vol 1 run ?
- Toshiro's involvement is a plot hole to the Untold Destiny if the Foot Clan if the retcon is not adressed
- Some dialogues are stange and feel inconsistents with the Vol 1 story : Michelangelo seem to have forgotten that he had a conflict with Splinter's behavior when he was in charge of the Foot clan, and the Hamatos are hostile towards the Shredder while their last interactions have been friendly.
- The mess of the Broken Veil has been resolved easily, and the win against General Eight Thunders feels unearned because of Deus Ex Machinas. It differs from Jason Aaron's ending where the Turtle's battle against Hale represents the reward of the four brothers getting the team together.

Yesterday, 06:36 AM	#41
TylerD Hench Mutant Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Canada Posts: 362	I haven’t read the shredder solo comic yet. I should really get the graphic novel when it comes out. I’m hearing good things. My reading is down last couple years. Stinkin kids…. Hockey, soccer, work, been getting lazy with my reading. Just the main titles of everything lately and absolute Batman. I always love the micro series and side series like TMNT journeys.

Yesterday, 06:59 AM	#42
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,899	The writers do tend to reverse things quickly, so yeah Shredder probably won't be leading the EPF too much longer. Just think about all the other things that felt like status quo changes they quickly reverse: 1. Casey working with Karai and being part of the Foot Clan? Only went on a single story arc or two. Also what happened to that blue stuff making Casey crazier like his Mirage version? He's pretty back to normal now in IDW. 2. April working for Baxter again? Only went on a little while before he turned on her. 3. Alopex wearing a green bandana and declaring herself part of the Hamato clan? (lol), it barely lasted a few issues. 4. Venus training with Bludgeon and declaring herself part of the "Aura clan?" (LOL!!!!), only lasted a short time. Also Venus disappeared entirely despite going with Yoshi and Shen to the afterlife when she died? 5. Everything to do with Metalhead, from him being Don's toy to betraying him? 6. Zodi and the snake working for Karai as mutant henchmen after they left Null? Or Karai gaining more mutant henchmen in general? Only lasted a single arc and then Zodi got captured and the female snake lady disappeared. 7. The whole Yoshi Chen Dog Star Gang story rivaling Karai's Foot? Pretty much gone unless Yoshi Chen gets some focus again. 8. Jennika as Nightwatcher? Only lasted her mini-series for 7 issues. There's also other random stuff they reversed over time, like Harold and his wife being back on Earth again, Angel working with Alopex, Hun and Casey working together, now we have Slash and Ninjara together which I'm sure won't last, etc. About the only status quo change that did last a long time is Mutant Town is still around, but its been pushed into the background nowadays at least.

Yesterday, 10:24 AM	#43
GameCobra Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2023 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 120	It still sucked that some changes don't stick, but it's become pretty clear with the whole reincarnation cycle that the series decided to lean into it more rather than stick with the cool thing and keep them dead. It's going to be pretty episodic going forward. I do hope if that's the angle they are going that they realize that the horror aspects of reincarnation would be a cooler angle to go with for the IDW version of turtles. The citizens were surprisingly convincing in these issues.

Yesterday, 01:03 PM	#45
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,727	It's the downside of constantly changing writers instead of it being one guy with a solid vision. I mean all we need is some new writer to say 'i miss when shredder was evil and leading the foot clan' and bam, here we go again.

Yesterday, 01:06 PM	#46
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,397	Where are all the dead Utroms? Krang and Ch’rell died in NYC right? They should be back, too.

Yesterday, 01:54 PM	#47
Heyowakka Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2025 Posts: 521	All Utroms go to Heaven.

Yesterday, 01:58 PM	#48
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,899	Only humans come back to life.

Yesterday, 04:57 PM	#51
Heyowakka Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2025 Posts: 521	Vernon Fenwick, Ace Reporter has yet to make his long awaited triumphant return as well.

Today, 04:25 AM	#56
TheLabRat Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 833	Many major villains in the Armageddon Game arc are basically like this. Their involvement in the events was even less than minor villains like Null Turtles, and at least Null Turtles put clown wigs on all the ninja turtles except Leo.

Today, 10:11 AM	#59
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,899	Shredder coming back to life was inevitable but I'm still not keen on Splinter's return. He could have stayed as a spirit talking to the Turtles between the afterlife. And now that Hun is back too, it feels kind of underwhelming. Slash is ok only because he was brainwashed for 20 issues by Bishop before dying, so it felt unfair to him that he died after that.

Today, 01:26 PM	#60
Dancefloran Foot Soldier Join Date: Jul 2025 Location: France Posts: 216	So the IDW Youtube channel released a Gene Yuen Lang X Stephanie Williams discussion video. I'm getting sympathetic to the guy, we can tell he really would have loved to stay longer with the TMNT if he didn't had other commitments. I suppose he had personnal reasons for involving Xiang Fei Tong, Lao Ban, the Ghost Boys and the Chinese Hungry Ghost Festival in his story. What I enjoyed : - The Concept of Ujigami : Splinter coming back with his darker assassin persona - The introduction of the Yomi-no-Kuni lore (Japanese mythos + multicutural references) - Tang Shen's return which heals the Hamato family - Shinigami and Papa Beng's introductions - Casey Jones' emotional struggles with his family and the growing tension with the Hamato parents - The idea of the Zombie-Ghosts who can return to life if they kill 1 life in exchange. - They remembered the established lore with appearances of dead characters such as Hun, Cassandra Jones, Dexter Morgan Stockman, Toshiro and Bishop. - Karai and Stockman still act as villains What I didn't like : - We have to accept that Shinigami is Karai's ninja-witch friend out of nowhere, where was she during the 150+ Vol 1 run ? - Toshiro's involvement is a plot hole to the Untold Destiny if the Foot Clan if the retcon is not adressed - Some dialogues are stange and feel inconsistents with the Vol 1 story : Michelangelo seem to have forgotten that he had a conflict with Splinter's behavior when he was in charge of the Foot clan, and the Hamatos are hostile towards the Shredder while their last interactions have been friendly. - The mess of the Broken Veil has been resolved easily, and the win against General Eight Thunders feels unearned because of Deus Ex Machinas. It differs from Jason Aaron's ending where the Turtle's battle against Hale represents the reward of the four brothers getting the team together.