Studio Ghibli's Anime

*J Legault* · 01-15-2005, 05:53 PM

How many of you are fans of the company or atleast see one of Hayao Miyazaki's films?

Those who don't what the heck I'm talking about go to here:

www.nausicaa.net

I've only seen 6 movies by Miyazaki so far.

*Anarky* · 01-15-2005, 06:47 PM

Studio Ghibli is overrated and the animes mostly suck. Let's take Mononoke hime, the only one of their "masterpieces" I could watch until the end.

Guy gets curse/virus-thing, eats him alive
searches redemption
goes out
meets villagers

and now the part starts where Miyazaki just was too high to deliver something useful

Villagers shoot giant animals because animals attack village for absolutely no reason
Giant animals have Mowgli-Girl with them
Guy falls in love with Mowgli-girl
Monkeys go haywire
rattlehead ghosts rattle
some stoned-looking forest god walks around
gets shot
guy and Mowgli-Girl save him

The end

Now what does that anime tell us? "Hey, I'm too bloody stoned not to be overrated" or "Men should not mess with mother nature"? Maybe "nature gives us weed, we like to smoke weed, so don't destroy the weed"?

Sorry, if that sounded a bit rude, but I am not too fond of the common "masterpieces of anime".

*J Legault* · 01-15-2005, 08:50 PM

Have you ever seen Spirited Away? If so then you would atleast admit that one is excellent and one of a kind.

I'm sure other people would agree it's one of the best they've seen in Anime features to date. Not sure if Howl's Moving Castle is going to break it's record.

*Kid Icarus* · 01-15-2005, 09:04 PM

I watched Mononoke one time. It was good, but it wasn't anything specatcular.

Spirited Away, on the other hand, stunned me. It was just so.... strange. It all made sense though.

*J Legault* · 01-15-2005, 10:24 PM

Well all of Miyazaki's films are very simalar. They would either contain a pig or flying reference. Almost all of them have a reference in Flying.

His films are one of a kind. Unlike the usual Anime I always hear about.

If you check some websites with top animated films atleast one of his titles would be in the top 20.

*DrSpengler* · 01-15-2005, 10:56 PM

Well, they're pretty much like Disney movies, and nobody's going to go into a Disney movie expecting spiritual enlightenment. So it's okay if they're a little simple.

Are they all good?

No way.

Spirited Away: It was a fun movie, I'd say it earned that Oscar. Basically it was "What if Alice in Wonderland was written by an asian guy?". Some of the monsters and concepts were pretty cool, I especially liked the guy in the boiler room with all the arms. It still felt like a kid's movie, but like I said, "think Disney".

Castle in the Sky: I liked this one a lot when I first watched it, upon a second viewing it was only "okay". I really enjoyed all the Lupin III references Miyazaki threw in. But I'm a Lupin III fan, so that's probably why I liked it so much the first time. The story can be a little boring, but it has it's charm.

Kiki's Delivery Service: Um...yeah. Girly movie. I went into it knowing it would be a girly movie, but still....jeez. Phil Hartman as the little black cat was pretty cool, and Kirstin Dundst can actually act just as long as she's never seen on screen. Overall, it felt like I was watching a Japanese version of Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

My Neighbor Totoro: It's a kid's movie. A LITTLE kid's movie. I just don't think I was the right audience for the flick. I'm sure if I was a tyke I'd have loved the thing, it has a very fun feel to and the film is very charming. I wouldn't go so far as to call it bad, I'm just not the right age to enjoy it.

Grave of the Fireflies: Now HERE'S your masterpeice! It's gritty, it's depressing, it's dark, and the end will just rip your heart to peices. A very good war movie that's unlike any other war movie you'll find out there (F*ck you, Michael Bay). I actually showed it to my Mom who's first reaction was "A cartoon? Are you kidding?". She loved it, said she would never forget it. You want a good Ghibli movie, see this.

Princess Mononoke: Eh, it's a pretty cool action movie. I liked all the monsters and found them visually stunning. The moral was laid on waaaaayyyyyy too thick, though. Alright, pollution is bad. I get it. The monsters were cool, the action was good and the characters were all pretty entertaning. I especially liked the Warthog king voiced by Kieth David. But then, he has the coolest voice ever.

Though not a Ghibli film, my favorite Miyazaki movie is Castle of Cagliostro. I know I said I was a big Lupin III fan, but that's only part of the reason I enjoy the movie so much. The plot is simple, like a Disney movie, but it's all so FUN! Miyazaki's presentation was at it's best, just the way the characters reacted to certain things, the expressions on their faces, the music, it was all so cool. A definate "must own" title.

So overall I wouldn't cal Ghibli "The God of animation" like all those miserable otaku losers, but then I wouldn't call Disney that either. Like any company, they have their good titles and they have their bad titles.

*J Legault* · 01-16-2005, 05:51 PM

Man this isn't working. It seems I'm the only one who seems to be obcess with Ghibli's Anime.

I don't want to go through much trouble, I just wanted to see if there was anyone here besides me who like Spirited Away, Castle in the Sky or some other movie by Ghibli.

**Barkworm** · 01-17-2005, 12:08 AM

*raises hand*
"Grave of the Fireflys" and "Princess Mononoke" are two of the best anime I've ever seen. "Chihiro" is a little overrated but still good.

*zkarlette* · 01-17-2005, 12:10 AM

I totally love spirited away but princess Mononoke was kind of weird

*J Legault* · 01-17-2005, 10:45 AM

Glad to see a few fans here on this forum.

*DrSpengler* · 01-17-2005, 10:57 AM

I've got bad news for you, man. People can be "fans" without being "psychotically obsessed otakus".

I'm a "fan" of a few of their movies (as I said in my earlier post), but I don't send Miyazaki love-letters or anything.

*J Legault* · 01-17-2005, 10:58 AM

You know that's not what I meant.

**Barkworm** · 01-17-2005, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Spirited Away: It was a fun movie, I'd say it earned that Oscar. Basically it was "What if Alice in Wonderland was written by an asian guy?". Some of the monsters and concepts were pretty cool, I especially liked the guy in the boiler room with all the arms. It still felt like a kid's movie, but like I said, "think Disney".

I don't think you can compare it to Disney movies. It's completely without the typical Disney black/white, good/evil style.

*J Legault* · 01-17-2005, 12:08 PM

Very true, these type of movies are something you wouldn't expect from Disney.

They don't have low bugget sequals like Disney does XD.

*DrSpengler* · 01-17-2005, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I don't think you can compare it to Disney movies. It's completely without the typical Disney black/white, good/evil style.

The stories tend to be pretty simple, like Disney movies.

Princess Mononoke-A Princess is raised by wolves, fights a battle between nature and industry. She meets a warrior from the industrial plant. They fall in love. Balance is found between industry and nature.

Castle in the Sky-Evil guy wants the power of a floatng island. Kidnaps girl from floating island. Girl escapes and meets love interest. Both team up with pirates to fight evil guy.

My Neighbor Totoro-A couple kids play with a big fluffy bear-thingy. The end.

Kiki's Delivery Service-A young witch tries to live by herself in a small town. She doubts herself and starts to lose her powers until she finds out that her powers aren't what makes her special blah blah blah falls in love blah blah blah the end.

Just about the only difference, aside from Japanese cultural elements and direction, is that Miyazaki/Ghibli movies have more violence (at least Mononoke was full of it).

But Disney movies can get pretty violent too. Look at Aladdin. He was stabbing the crap out of Jafar at the end. Even Sleeping Beauty got pretty crazy when the Prince speared the evil Witch through the heart with his sword. Then there's Fantasia with all it's topless women and devil-worship.

Both Ghibli and Disney make high quality animated movies for a family audience. Stories are never too complex for children to follow or too outargeously violent (Mononoke might be the exception).

Even Castle of Cagliostro (Miyazaki, not Ghibli) is pretty simple. A master thief rescues a princess locked away in a castle.

The only real difference between Ghibli and Disney (aside from Disney's cashing in every chance they get) is that Disney makes musicals for the most part.

*Hannah* · 01-17-2005, 02:25 PM

Spirited Away was great.... <3

I saw part of Kiki's Delivery Service on Cartoon Network once..

And that's.. it.

**azure turtle** · 01-17-2005, 04:23 PM

I've seen Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, and Castle in the Sky. I thought all three were great movies, with Spirted Away being my favorite. As Spengs said, it's got that "Alice in Wonderland" quality to it. It had some memorable characters, and the struggle to go home is a cool theme to see (kinda like Wizard of Oz).

*zkarlette* · 01-18-2005, 12:50 PM

Kiki's Delivery service was actually a really nice movie to watch

*J Legault* · 01-19-2005, 09:12 AM

Those who want to see more movies from Ghibli. Go to here to check out the trailer to 3 must see movies: http://disneyvideos.disney.go.com/mo...s/2534403.html

I've already of seen Porco Rosso, so I already know it's a good one.

The other 2 look like great ones to see.

*Spitfire* · 01-19-2005, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarky

Studio Ghibli is overrated and the animes mostly suck. Let's take Mononoke hime, the only one of their "masterpieces" I could watch until the end.

Guy gets curse/virus-thing, eats him alive
searches redemption
goes out
meets villagers

and now the part starts where Miyazaki just was too high to deliver something useful

Villagers shoot giant animals because animals attack village for absolutely no reason
Giant animals have Mowgli-Girl with them
Guy falls in love with Mowgli-girl
Monkeys go haywire
rattlehead ghosts rattle
some stoned-looking forest god walks around
gets shot
guy and Mowgli-Girl save him

The end

Now what does that anime tell us? "Hey, I'm too bloody stoned not to be overrated" or "Men should not mess with mother nature"? Maybe "nature gives us weed, we like to smoke weed, so don't destroy the weed"?

Sorry, if that sounded a bit rude, but I am not too fond of the common "masterpieces of anime".

Wow that's one of my favortie movies of all time and you pretty much just wasted the movie there making it look like Alice In Wonderland.
Their not ghosts their tree spirits that protect the forest
The girl is daughter to a wolf goddess
There is one true forest god the other two are protectors but still called gods. He is not stoned
The animals attack because they are protecting the forest. Which was cut down and ruined by Lady's Iron Town
The apes are made because their trees are being cut down after they try to plant more
The message is watch the movie its a good one
You obviously didnt pay any attention to it because the points you made are invalid even to someone who hated the movie. You got alot of infomation wrong. Looks more like you read a summary and then decided to to type up a few comments
Honest opinion but I really dont care if you dont like the movie, not everyone has to like it but it is a good film you probly just dont like anime

01-15-2005, 05:53 PM	#1
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	Studio Ghibli's Anime How many of you are fans of the company or atleast see one of Hayao Miyazaki's films? Those who don't what the heck I'm talking about go to here: www.nausicaa.net I've only seen 6 movies by Miyazaki so far. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

01-15-2005, 06:47 PM	#2
Anarky Outlaw Hero Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tannhauser Gate Posts: 4,867	Studio Ghibli is overrated and the animes mostly suck. Let's take Mononoke hime, the only one of their "masterpieces" I could watch until the end. Guy gets curse/virus-thing, eats him alive searches redemption goes out meets villagers and now the part starts where Miyazaki just was too high to deliver something useful Villagers shoot giant animals because animals attack village for absolutely no reason Giant animals have Mowgli-Girl with them Guy falls in love with Mowgli-girl Monkeys go haywire rattlehead ghosts rattle some stoned-looking forest god walks around gets shot guy and Mowgli-Girl save him The end Now what does that anime tell us? "Hey, I'm too bloody stoned not to be overrated" or "Men should not mess with mother nature"? Maybe "nature gives us weed, we like to smoke weed, so don't destroy the weed"? Sorry, if that sounded a bit rude, but I am not too fond of the common "masterpieces of anime". __________________ Because it's... I dunno... brutal.

01-15-2005, 08:50 PM	#3
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	Have you ever seen Spirited Away? If so then you would atleast admit that one is excellent and one of a kind. I'm sure other people would agree it's one of the best they've seen in Anime features to date. Not sure if Howl's Moving Castle is going to break it's record. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

01-15-2005, 10:24 PM	#5
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	Well all of Miyazaki's films are very simalar. They would either contain a pig or flying reference. Almost all of them have a reference in Flying. His films are one of a kind. Unlike the usual Anime I always hear about. If you check some websites with top animated films atleast one of his titles would be in the top 20. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

01-16-2005, 05:51 PM	#7
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	Man this isn't working. It seems I'm the only one who seems to be obcess with Ghibli's Anime. I don't want to go through much trouble, I just wanted to see if there was anyone here besides me who like Spirited Away, Castle in the Sky or some other movie by Ghibli. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

01-15-2005, 09:04 PM	#4
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	I watched Mononoke one time. It was good, but it wasn't anything specatcular. Spirited Away, on the other hand, stunned me. It was just so.... strange. It all made sense though.

01-15-2005, 10:56 PM	#6
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Well, they're pretty much like Disney movies, and nobody's going to go into a Disney movie expecting spiritual enlightenment. So it's okay if they're a little simple. Are they all good? No way. Spirited Away: It was a fun movie, I'd say it earned that Oscar. Basically it was "What if Alice in Wonderland was written by an asian guy?". Some of the monsters and concepts were pretty cool, I especially liked the guy in the boiler room with all the arms. It still felt like a kid's movie, but like I said, "think Disney". Castle in the Sky: I liked this one a lot when I first watched it, upon a second viewing it was only "okay". I really enjoyed all the Lupin III references Miyazaki threw in. But I'm a Lupin III fan, so that's probably why I liked it so much the first time. The story can be a little boring, but it has it's charm. Kiki's Delivery Service: Um...yeah. Girly movie. I went into it knowing it would be a girly movie, but still....jeez. Phil Hartman as the little black cat was pretty cool, and Kirstin Dundst can actually act just as long as she's never seen on screen. Overall, it felt like I was watching a Japanese version of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. My Neighbor Totoro: It's a kid's movie. A LITTLE kid's movie. I just don't think I was the right audience for the flick. I'm sure if I was a tyke I'd have loved the thing, it has a very fun feel to and the film is very charming. I wouldn't go so far as to call it bad, I'm just not the right age to enjoy it. Grave of the Fireflies: Now HERE'S your masterpeice! It's gritty, it's depressing, it's dark, and the end will just rip your heart to peices. A very good war movie that's unlike any other war movie you'll find out there (F*ck you, Michael Bay). I actually showed it to my Mom who's first reaction was "A cartoon? Are you kidding?". She loved it, said she would never forget it. You want a good Ghibli movie, see this. Princess Mononoke: Eh, it's a pretty cool action movie. I liked all the monsters and found them visually stunning. The moral was laid on waaaaayyyyyy too thick, though. Alright, pollution is bad. I get it. The monsters were cool, the action was good and the characters were all pretty entertaning. I especially liked the Warthog king voiced by Kieth David. But then, he has the coolest voice ever. Though not a Ghibli film, my favorite Miyazaki movie is Castle of Cagliostro. I know I said I was a big Lupin III fan, but that's only part of the reason I enjoy the movie so much. The plot is simple, like a Disney movie, but it's all so FUN! Miyazaki's presentation was at it's best, just the way the characters reacted to certain things, the expressions on their faces, the music, it was all so cool. A definate "must own" title. So overall I wouldn't cal Ghibli "The God of animation" like all those miserable otaku losers, but then I wouldn't call Disney that either. Like any company, they have their good titles and they have their bad titles.

01-17-2005, 12:08 AM	#8
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,758	raises hand "Grave of the Fireflys" and "Princess Mononoke" are two of the best anime I've ever seen. "Chihiro" is a little overrated but still good. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

01-17-2005, 12:10 AM	#9
zkarlette Fashionably late Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CA Posts: 4,146	I totally love spirited away but princess Mononoke was kind of weird __________________ "If only we'd stop trying to be happy, we could have a pretty good time" E.W

01-17-2005, 10:45 AM	#10
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	Glad to see a few fans here on this forum. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

01-17-2005, 10:57 AM	#11
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	I've got bad news for you, man. People can be "fans" without being "psychotically obsessed otakus". I'm a "fan" of a few of their movies (as I said in my earlier post), but I don't send Miyazaki love-letters or anything.

01-17-2005, 10:58 AM	#12
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	You know that's not what I meant. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

01-17-2005, 12:08 PM	#14
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	Very true, these type of movies are something you wouldn't expect from Disney. They don't have low bugget sequals like Disney does XD. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

01-17-2005, 02:25 PM	#16
Hannah Once more, with feeling! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,111	Spirited Away was great.... <3 I saw part of Kiki's Delivery Service on Cartoon Network once.. And that's.. it. __________________

01-17-2005, 04:23 PM	#17
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	I've seen Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, and Castle in the Sky. I thought all three were great movies, with Spirted Away being my favorite. As Spengs said, it's got that "Alice in Wonderland" quality to it. It had some memorable characters, and the struggle to go home is a cool theme to see (kinda like Wizard of Oz). __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

01-18-2005, 12:50 PM	#18
zkarlette Fashionably late Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CA Posts: 4,146	Kiki's Delivery service was actually a really nice movie to watch __________________ "If only we'd stop trying to be happy, we could have a pretty good time" E.W

01-19-2005, 09:12 AM	#19
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	Those who want to see more movies from Ghibli. Go to here to check out the trailer to 3 must see movies: http://disneyvideos.disney.go.com/mo...s/2534403.html I've already of seen Porco Rosso, so I already know it's a good one. The other 2 look like great ones to see. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.