Which Turtle's Death Would Have The Biggest Impact?

[Space Lieutenant Josh]

I think they'd all have equal impacts-- I mean, Same As It Never Was was really painful to watch all the way through for that very reason.

How would you feel if any loved one died? I think the saddest death would be Mikey just because he's light-hearted. Those are always the worst characters to watch die (think Blue Beetle).

---Josh

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I'd say Leo because he's the one the others turn to for support.

[Sakirules]

Forget about the biggest impact. Which turtle is the least needed on the team? Leo's leadership and Don's Genius and ideas are needed. So it boils down between Mikey and Raph Who could to team tolerate most between Raph's stupity of being a Hot head or Mike's Jokey jokes and sense of Humor? I would say the team is better off wit Mike than Raph. Raph is gets into it with most of the turtles especially Leonardo. He is filled wit too much jealousy. Othe rthan that mikey is a better fighter than Raph, Especially in the new turtle series.

[Sage Ninja]

Originally Posted by Space Lieutenant Josh

I think they'd all have equal impacts-- I mean, Same As It Never Was was really painful to watch all the way through for that very reason.

How would you feel if any loved one died? I think the saddest death would be Mikey just because he's light-hearted. Those are always the worst characters to watch die (think Blue Beetle).

---Josh

when I made my post I wasn't refereing to if one of the turtles died, but which turtle would have the biggest blow to the team and how it functions if one of them wasn't around for ever reason. And I choose Leonardo and Donatello because there absence would definately have a big affect on the team.

Forget about the biggest impact. Which turtle is the least needed on the team? Leo's leadership and Don's Genius and ideas are needed. So it boils down between Mikey and Raph Who could to team tolerate most between Raph's stupity of being a Hot head or Mike's Jokey jokes and sense of Humor? I would say the team is better off wit Mike than Raph. Raph is gets into it with most of the turtles especially Leonardo. He is filled wit too much jealousy. Othe rthan that mikey is a better fighter than Raph, Especially in the new turtle series.

I would have to disagree, Raphael is very important to the team and contributes to how it functions. This last past season he has grown and has proven that he can reign in his temper and stay reletively cool headed in a chaotic situation and even briefly take up the reigns of leadership if he had to. The episode where Karai destroys the lair proves this. He is also as of late not as sulky or immature as he was in the start of the series, and no longer goes off in a huff as much like he once did. That is allot of progrssion on his character I think. He is very important to the team, perhaps not to the degree as Don or Leo, but he at least is contributes a bit more skills than Mikey, at this point. So I have to say, as far as right now, Raphs absence from the team would hold a bigger impact to the team dynamic that Mikey's absence would.

Oh and Raphael is not dumb.

[Space Lieutenant Josh]

Ah. Man, I need to see this season.

I dunno, with any member missing they wouldn't be whole. But they have functioned at points in time without Raph, or without Leo, and it was never that easy for them. I would say either of those two.

---Josh

Originally Posted by Alouicious

That assumes, though, that none of the others can fill Leo's shoes. The learning curve would likely be steep, but nothing compared to what would be required to replace Donatello.

I can't totally agree with that. There's alot more to Leo than what you seem to see. There's so much variaty of skills that Leo has developed and honed that I can't see any of the others being able to eaqually achieve.

Sure, it would take several years of specific courses in a University to acheive what Don has achieved. But it would also take several years of military and survival training to achieve what Leo has achieved.

Originally Posted by Alouicious

He's also irreplaceable because, and I think most people will agree, Don's understanding of tech is intuitive.

I totally agree with that. But I think that most can also agree that Leo's leadership skills, martial arts skills, and strategy and tactics skills are pretty intuitive as well.


I'm not saying that Leo is better than Don. I think they're both eaqually very important in their own way. But I did feel that you didn't give Leo's abilities much credit.






Oh! Btw, welcome back, Space Lieutenant Josh! It's been so long since I've seen you here!

[Sakirules]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

when I made my post I wasn't refereing to if one of the turtles died, but which turtle would have the biggest blow to the team and how it functions if one of them wasn't around for ever reason. And I choose Leonardo and Donatello because there absence would definately have a big affect on the team.



I would have to disagree, Raphael is very important to the team and contributes to how it functions. This last past season he has grown and has proven that he can reign in his temper and stay reletively cool headed in a chaotic situation and even briefly take up the reigns of leadership if he had to. The episode where Karai destroys the lair proves this. He is also as of late not as sulky or immature as he was in the start of the series, and no longer goes off in a huff as much like he once did. That is allot of progrssion on his character I think. He is very important to the team, perhaps not to the degree as Don or Leo, but he at least is contributes a bit more skills than Mikey, at this point. So I have to say, as far as right now, Raphs absence from the team would hold a bigger impact to the team dynamic that Mikey's absence would.

Oh and Raphael is not dumb.

Raph could never take up the reigns of leadership. Donny would be the better choice before Raph. And let me remind ya that Mikey defeated Raph in the casey Jones episode and the Battle Nexus episode.

[Sliced]

I'll just say like everybody. Leo and don. Both saved the turtles ALOT of times. When technologies are in the fight, Don just always know what to do wich is sometimes bit weird... and I insist on always know rarely have we seen don caught up not knowing what was going on and how to destroy it. Wich in my opinion is bit too smart. But its true that he is a little genius.

As for leo, well we all know and saw what he was able to do. When there are no technologies, he's the leader and he organize the turtles. Even if there are technologies involved, he will come up with a plan and all.

So all that to say that they are the ''most important'' turtles.

But like I said, kill one, kill'em all.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

I would have to disagree, Raphael is very important to the team and contributes to how it functions. This last past season he has grown and has proven that he can reign in his temper and stay reletively cool headed in a chaotic situation and even briefly take up the reigns of leadership if he had to. The episode where Karai destroys the lair proves this. He is also as of late not as sulky or immature as he was in the start of the series, and no longer goes off in a huff as much like he once did. That is allot of progrssion on his character I think. He is very important to the team, perhaps not to the degree as Don or Leo, but he at least is contributes a bit more skills than Mikey, at this point. So I have to say, as far as right now, Raphs absence from the team would hold a bigger impact to the team dynamic that Mikey's absence would.

Oh and Raphael is not dumb.

Amen. Raph's always the turtle who has the other turtles backs. When a turtle is being snuck up upon, Raph's always there to scream "Look out!" or "Behind you!" then jumping to the rescue. No turtle is an island, and none of them is non-essential. They all play a part. Like the old toon said, "Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines." Raphael is a hot head with a heart of gold, who's always there to help a brother out. Michelangelo is a "party dude" and the life of the team. Now there's a group of fan-fics or episodes..."What would the team do without..." We have "Same as it Never Was" so we know how the team fairs with out the Brain, but what about without the Leader, or without the Heart, or without the Muscle?

[Space Lieutenant Josh]

As far as taking over for leadership, yeah, Don would probably be the best choice. Mike probably couldn't lead just because he doesn't have that type of personality or mentality.

Don't underestimate Raph, though. If he did some serious growing up, he might be a good leader. Mike beat him in those two episodes because he really got Raph's goat (and because he knew Raph's weaknesses so well). In a battle situation, Raph is a little bit stronger than Mikey. Plus, he's interested in the same things as Leo, so while he could never totally fill in (because he's never really commanded the others' respect the way Leo automatically can), if he absolutely had to, he might do a decent job.

Probably if Leo left the team, the other three would all realize they needed to grow up, and they'd each step up and contribute a little more to the team.

This is all very funny cuz I just watched that episode of the OS yesterday where each turtle takes turns leading when Leo quits.

Originally Posted by Ryona

Oh! Btw, welcome back, Space Lieutenant Josh! It's been so long since I've seen you here!

It's great to see you too, Ryona!

---Josh

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

i agree that all 4 is essential in their own way.
saying that, if i had to choose...i would say Mikey. I think what would wreak the team more is the emotional pain, not the physical. they all think of mikey as their baby brother and their heart, so how u think it'd be when baby bro is gone and the heart is taken out?

[iris]

Originally Posted by Space Lieutenant Josh

As far as taking over for leadership, yeah, Don would probably be the best choice. Mike probably couldn't lead just because he doesn't have that type of personality or mentality.

Don't underestimate Raph, though. If he did some serious growing up, he might be a good leader. Mike beat him in those two episodes because he really got Raph's goat (and because he knew Raph's weaknesses so well). In a battle situation, Raph is a little bit stronger than Mikey. Plus, he's interested in the same things as Leo, so while he could never totally fill in (because he's never really commanded the others' respect the way Leo automatically can), if he absolutely had to, he might do a decent job.

Probably if Leo left the team, the other three would all realize they needed to grow up, and they'd each step up and contribute a little more to the team.

Don has no desire to lead. He is capable, yes, but he really doesn't want it. He steps up when he feels he's the only one for the job. He would defer to any of his brothers before taking the reins. I think that, apart from Leo, Raph would make the best leader. He would rely on Don's calculating talents more than Leo (who has his own), but he has a fierce protective streak and is willing to take action when needed. Impulsiveness is a major thing to contend with, but I think Raph knows that. Mikey is not leadership material, and I don't think I want him to be.

Oh, but the question of whose death would have the most impact... that is difficult to say, because I think they all contribute in a major way. I will guess... in the short-term: Leo, in the mid-term: Don, and in the long-term: Mikey. Raph, as always, is a wildcard.

[Sakirules]

mikey beat Raph because he was the better fighter plain and simple. Weather Mikey knew a weakness or not. And I still do not see raph as a leader ever.

[Sewer Bull]

My oh my, ain't we a little Raph hater?

[KROW]

Originally Posted by Sakirules

mikey beat Raph because he was the better fighter plain and simple. Weather Mikey knew a weakness or not. And I still do not see raph as a leader ever.

I suggest we stray from "better fighter" theories, here. It never ends well.

As far as Raph as leader, I can see it happening. He takes charge almost all the time, whether he has a plan of action or not. He wings it, plans it as he goes. Not the best strategy, true, but sometimes spontaneity can be an asset.

[InsaneZane]

Even though Leonardo always has, still is and always will be my favorite Turtle.
I have to admit to Donnie's importance on this one,
Anyone else besides him, the Turtles, i think could "wing-it"
,but Donnie takes care of the turtles' security, transportation... etc.
His loss would definatly have the biggest impact on the team as a whole in the long run... even though if one of the other turtles were gone they would have certain problems here and there.
Donnie would really be the one who affects them the longest.

[KROW]

Originally Posted by InsaneZane

Even though Leonardo always has, still is and always will be my favorite Turtle.
I have to admit to Donnie's importance on this one,
Anyone else besides him, the Turtles, i think could "wing-it"
,but Donnie takes care of the turtles' security, transportation... etc.
His loss would definatly have the biggest impact on the team as a whole in the long run... even though if one of the other turtles were gone they would have certain problems here and there.
Donnie would really be the one who affects them the longest.

I see what you're saying, but I think that April would be able to fill that void, somewhat. Then there's Honeycutt and the Utroms. Of course I'm talking about the Mirage universe, since this forum is the General section.

Technology, security, and transportation are superficial things that can be replaced. I think the biggest loss if Donnie were to die would be his level-headed personality. He's the buffer zone of the four, quelling fires and causing the rest to step back and take a breather. If he was suddenly cut out of the picture, there would be a lot more tension and less cohesiveness within the group.

[InsaneZane]

valid statement, my man!

[Sakirules]

Originally Posted by KROW

I suggest we stray from "better fighter" theories, here. It never ends well.

As far as Raph as leader, I can see it happening. He takes charge almost all the time, whether he has a plan of action or not. He wings it, plans it as he goes. Not the best strategy, true, but sometimes spontaneity can be an asset.

Ok I'll stray from better fighting skills but nothing will convince me that raph is a capable leader.

[KROW]

Fair enough. Whom do you think would be more apt to lead if Leonardo was suddenly slain?