Dragon Ball Z (Uncut)

~~AquaParade~~ · 10-25-2006, 07:02 PM

I was just wondering what the people on this board thought of the Dragon Ball Z series as a whole. I seem to hear a lot of mixed things. I used to watch it when i was a bit younger and was considering re-watching the Un-cut versions of the episdoes, but i dont know if there will really be a difference. So what do you guys think of Dbz and Dbz compared the the uncut episodes? Any episodes where the "uncut" actually makes a big difference?

Jon · 10-25-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Underoath740

I was just wondering what the people on this board thought of the Dragon Ball Z series as a whole. I seem to hear a lot of mixed things. I used to watch it when i was a bit younger and was considering re-watching the Un-cut versions of the episdoes, but i dont know if there will really be a difference. So what do you guys think of Dbz and Dbz compared the the uncut episodes? Any episodes where the "uncut" actually makes a big difference?

Well, have read about some of the editing. And seen some of it too (from getting some of the uncut DVDs). In most cases it's little things like excessive violence (especially displays of blood-and-gore). But also have quite a bit of dialogue changing. As well as some cases of most of an ep. being cut (and what remains tacked on other episodes, where there has been minor cutting - to compensate the time lost).

*DrSpengler* · 10-25-2006, 08:06 PM

There was some heavy duty editting done to the original Ocean Group-era Dragonball Z. Not only for objectionable material, but for stuff edittors thought was either "boring" or "not funny". The first episode had most of Gohan's scenes in the forest cut, while there were a few episodes that were cut entirely (the one where Gohan meets the robot buried in the cave, for example).

I used to watch the Ocean Group episodes and I still have a soft spot for them, if only for the AWESOME dub job the Ocean Group did. Can't beat Brian Drummond's Vegeta.

The DBZ uncut is good, as they maintain most of the best lines from the Ocean Group dub. The Funimation voices have grown on me by now, though.

As far as Dragonball is concerned, I still like it even though I've outgrown some of it. I prefer the movies, as they omit the one thing I hate most about the TV series, the annoying amounts of filler, and get straight to the point. I own em all on DVD.

Krang's Uncle · 10-25-2006, 11:14 PM

Ive only seen what Cartoon Network used to (and still does every now and then i believe) show, but i think Dragonball Z had its good and bad, and in my opinion is an average cartoon show. I think the animation is cool, and the characters werent bad looking either. But story wise, i think its terrible. Way too many pointless episodes where two guys would be fighting, guy x would knock around guy y. Guy y would power up and pound guy x. Guy x would compliment guy y on his strength and then guy x would power up and pound on guy y. Then guy y would compliment guy x on his strength and then guy y would power up and pound on guy x. And continue to repeat this amazingly redundant sequence. Then once that was resolved, they would have to train for the new bad guy who was badder than the last fool they had fought. And then the cycle would repeat itself. Thats just how i feel about it though, obviously there are many people who like Dragonball Z, and thats cool too.

*Spitfire* · 10-25-2006, 11:21 PM

It sucks...seriously I could go on for awhile about why but I'll avoid an essay.

*DrSpengler* · 10-26-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Krang's Uncle

Ive only seen what Cartoon Network used to (and still does every now and then i believe) show, but i think Dragonball Z had its good and bad, and in my opinion is an average cartoon show. I think the animation is cool, and the characters werent bad looking either. But story wise, i think its terrible. Way too many pointless episodes where two guys would be fighting, guy x would knock around guy y. Guy y would power up and pound guy x. Guy x would compliment guy y on his strength and then guy x would power up and pound on guy y. Then guy y would compliment guy x on his strength and then guy y would power up and pound on guy x. And continue to repeat this amazingly redundant sequence. Then once that was resolved, they would have to train for the new bad guy who was badder than the last fool they had fought. And then the cycle would repeat itself. Thats just how i feel about it though, obviously there are many people who like Dragonball Z, and thats cool too.

Which is why I liked the original Dragonball a lot better. It was more creative with its stories and paced a lot less redundantly.

I tired of DBZ after the Frieza arc, since all the characters I came to love from Dragonball became completely obsolete and vanished from the series, all for the purpose of introducing new Saiyans.

The Clerk · 10-26-2006, 01:01 AM

I used to LOVE DB and DBZ!

I never seen them uncut, tho. I wish I can.

I liked all of DB but not all of DBZ... I stopped watching when Goku and Vagetta went inside of M. Buu.... o_O

*Mecha Cow* · 10-26-2006, 07:27 AM

I've seen every episode (As far as they were shown on TV at least - Cut, most likely). Horrible, horrible series, yet I can't help but love it. Stupid nostalgia. Hey, it was some pretty amazing stuff for a 12-year old.

GT had none of the charm and was just plain bad, though.

**Barkworm** · 10-26-2006, 08:05 AM

Personally I think pretty much everything with adult Goku sucked. The manga/show started as an adventure story with a very strong comedy element but later chapters became a brainless battle orgy.

*Brodie* · 10-26-2006, 11:39 AM

You mean those DBZ episodes get LONGER?!

*Drtooth* · 10-26-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Which is why I liked the original Dragonball a lot better. It was more creative with its stories and paced a lot less redundantly.

I agree. DBZ is cool and all, but Gimme kid Goku pulling off Bulma's panties and being shocked because he is not accustom to male/female anatomic differences. Gimme Emperor Pilaf and His hench chick who could easily kick his ass. Gimme Yamucha before he looked like a game show host in a yellow suit (That Irwin figure looks a hell of a lot like Guy Smiley... I'm sorry). More lewd humor, more magic.

The only arc of Z I found totally interresting so far is the Middle of the Buu Storyarch where Kid Buu and Mr. Satan have their scene.

Silent FOx · 10-26-2006, 07:04 PM

I'm a DBZ fan. I started reading the mangas a couple years back, and it only increased my love of the show. It can be slow and tedious at times, but I still enjoy it for what it is.

~~AquaParade~~ · 10-26-2006, 08:32 PM

How do the mangas compare to the t.v. show? Are they more mature? Follow the same story line? etc...

*DrSpengler* · 10-26-2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

I agree. DBZ is cool and all, but Gimme kid Goku pulling off Bulma's panties and being shocked because he is not accustom to male/female anatomic differences. Gimme Emperor Pilaf and His hench chick who could easily kick his ass. Gimme Yamucha before he looked like a game show host in a yellow suit (That Irwin figure looks a hell of a lot like Guy Smiley... I'm sorry). More lewd humor, more magic.

The only arc of Z I found totally interresting so far is the Middle of the Buu Storyarch where Kid Buu and Mr. Satan have their scene.

The one thing that really irked me about DBZ was the total shafting of nearly all the characters from Dragonball. They either became so out-powered by the Saiyans and outer space enemies that they completely vanished into worthless obscurity (Yamcha, Tien, Chao-tzu) or they stuck around solely for the sake of comic relief (poor poor Krillen).

I mean, they couldn't at least thrown us a bone and shown Puar and Oolong transform at least ONCE in the series. Any Dragonball nostalgia is welcome. Hell, the Power Poll would've been great if they'd used it in the series (though I'm glad we got to see it in Dead Zone and World's Strognest).

I dunno, I felt a bit ripped off after the Frieza saga ended. I spent all of Dragonball coming to love these characters and then the second Trunks shows up they are completely discarded so we can get one new Super Saiyan after another.

That's why Tree of Might is my favorite of the movies. It has the Dragonball cast getting one last hurrah as effective warriors and not just stupid comic relief.

**Barkworm** · 10-27-2006, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

The only arc of Z I found totally interresting so far is the Middle of the Buu Storyarch where Kid Buu and Mr. Satan have their scene.

I know most people hate the Buu arc but the beginning with Gohan as Saiyaman was a lot more like early Dragonball than anything else in DBZ.

Draconic · 10-27-2006, 09:44 AM

It would be awsome, although extremely tedius and time consuming, if someone took the initiative to cut the repetitive fight scenes down into more intense and meaningful fight scenes, and cut down on the filler, meaningless B.S.

I bet if that happened, they could cut DBZ down to 100-125 episodes easily, and create a much more interesting DBZ.

*Drtooth* · 10-27-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

The one thing that really irked me about DBZ was the total shafting of nearly all the characters from Dragonball. They either became so out-powered by the Saiyans and outer space enemies that they completely vanished into worthless obscurity (Yamcha, Tien, Chao-tzu) or they stuck around solely for the sake of comic relief (poor poor Krillen).

Why I had trouble getting into it. I like action comedy. Granted, there was some comedy in Z (most of it filtered out by edits... all relating to porno), but I didn't really even WANT to bother with it, until freshman year of Art School, someone brought in the bootleg movie in which Hitler was ressurrected. Now that struck me on a hillarious "family Guy" level of wonderfully offensive material. And that's for like 10-14 year olds, isn't it? South Park and Family Guy barely egt away with that stuff.

I really got into the old Dragon ball after buying a heavily edited 2 disk set of the first 13 episodes and the first movie (Blood Rubies) at Wal Mart for 5.50. I then picked up the manga, and splurged on one of the massively overpriced 2 disk sets (though it was, in fairness, really a gift card I used). Much funnier, racier stuff.

As for the box set, I cannot stand how Roshi was toned down so much he was shy to ask for a date with an older woman, and not to blow around in Bulma's breasts. Not to mention they randomly changed The Ox King story Oolong tells to a story about Yamcha... even though the shadow has horns and throws an axe. But I got so many laughs out of it... and many more when I found the true versions of the edited stuff.

My favorite characters were always the wacky ones, Oolong, Roshi, Kuririn (SP?), Korin... and like that.

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I know most people hate the Buu arc but the beginning with Gohan as Saiyaman was a lot more like early Dragonball than anything else in DBZ.

Actually... I feel that whole scene with Buu and Mr. Satan was not just Old school Dragon ball worthy, but even routes back to Dr. Slump... only this time, instead of cute little Arale causing Animaniac style mischief, we get a psycho kid who turns people into candy. Evertyhgin else in that arch is okay... but Mr. Satan... funny as hell.

Peanut · 10-27-2006, 01:46 PM

DBZ and pretty much any cartoon from Japan make my brain explode. I've have never viewed more ridiculous things in my entire life. If I never go another day without seeing another generic looking anime character, stupid chibi face, or spiky haired fruitcup, it still won't have been long enough.

Draconic · 10-27-2006, 02:12 PM

Yea? Whatever Peanut. Sounds like a personal issue.

I started watching DBZ in 6th grade. That show hooked me, and I remember waiting very impatiently every 4 months for new episodes. I even waited the freaking 2-year stent without any new episodes (right in the middle of the Freiza saga) and eventually lost inerest. About a year later, I caught some reruns, and ended up getting back into it, around the time of the Cell saga. I eventually finished watching the whole thing.

That show, while incredibly drawn out, continued to keep me interested. The show was pretty emotional at some points, and in retrospect, I think I enjoyed their down-time just as much, if not more, than watching them fight.

DBZ is also the anime that opened my mind to other anime. The gateway anime. Since then, my tastes have matured a tad, but I think that DBZ will not go forgotten.

I think that this show goes next to Power Rangers, and the TMNT, not for quality nor nostalgia, but as far as influencing me to become an artist, as well as a martial artist.

~~Toonami Tom~~ · 10-27-2006, 10:40 PM

DragonBall Z used to be my favorite show. I love the action, the fighting, the powers, the characters, everything about it. I stopped watching after Kid Buu was destroyed. I'm not sure why I didn't see anymore episodes after that, probably due to the show being on when it was time to eat dinner.

I was going to sell all my DragonBall Z figures on ebay, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I wish a toy company would make 6" fully articualted DBZ figures with great sculpts. That would be great.

Goku is my favorite hero character in the show, and Cell is my favorite villian character.

I figured it was only a matter of time before someone mentioned Goku and 'that' Bulma scene from DragonBall.

10-25-2006, 07:02 PM	#1
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	Dragon Ball Z (Uncut) I was just wondering what the people on this board thought of the Dragon Ball Z series as a whole. I seem to hear a lot of mixed things. I used to watch it when i was a bit younger and was considering re-watching the Un-cut versions of the episdoes, but i dont know if there will really be a difference. So what do you guys think of Dbz and Dbz compared the the uncut episodes? Any episodes where the "uncut" actually makes a big difference?

10-25-2006, 11:21 PM	#5
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10-26-2006, 01:01 AM	#7
The Clerk Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 818	I used to LOVE DB and DBZ! I never seen them uncut, tho. I wish I can. I liked all of DB but not all of DBZ... I stopped watching when Goku and Vagetta went inside of M. Buu.... o_O __________________

10-26-2006, 07:27 AM	#8
Mecha Cow Gorgeous and modest too Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,699	I've seen every episode (As far as they were shown on TV at least - Cut, most likely). Horrible, horrible series, yet I can't help but love it. Stupid nostalgia. Hey, it was some pretty amazing stuff for a 12-year old. GT had none of the charm and was just plain bad, though. __________________

10-26-2006, 08:05 AM	#9
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,758	Personally I think pretty much everything with adult Goku sucked. The manga/show started as an adventure story with a very strong comedy element but later chapters became a brainless battle orgy. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

10-25-2006, 08:06 PM	#3
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	There was some heavy duty editting done to the original Ocean Group-era Dragonball Z. Not only for objectionable material, but for stuff edittors thought was either "boring" or "not funny". The first episode had most of Gohan's scenes in the forest cut, while there were a few episodes that were cut entirely (the one where Gohan meets the robot buried in the cave, for example). I used to watch the Ocean Group episodes and I still have a soft spot for them, if only for the AWESOME dub job the Ocean Group did. Can't beat Brian Drummond's Vegeta. The DBZ uncut is good, as they maintain most of the best lines from the Ocean Group dub. The Funimation voices have grown on me by now, though. As far as Dragonball is concerned, I still like it even though I've outgrown some of it. I prefer the movies, as they omit the one thing I hate most about the TV series, the annoying amounts of filler, and get straight to the point. I own em all on DVD.

10-25-2006, 11:14 PM	#4
Krang's Uncle Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 106	Ive only seen what Cartoon Network used to (and still does every now and then i believe) show, but i think Dragonball Z had its good and bad, and in my opinion is an average cartoon show. I think the animation is cool, and the characters werent bad looking either. But story wise, i think its terrible. Way too many pointless episodes where two guys would be fighting, guy x would knock around guy y. Guy y would power up and pound guy x. Guy x would compliment guy y on his strength and then guy x would power up and pound on guy y. Then guy y would compliment guy x on his strength and then guy y would power up and pound on guy x. And continue to repeat this amazingly redundant sequence. Then once that was resolved, they would have to train for the new bad guy who was badder than the last fool they had fought. And then the cycle would repeat itself. Thats just how i feel about it though, obviously there are many people who like Dragonball Z, and thats cool too.

10-26-2006, 11:39 AM	#10
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	You mean those DBZ episodes get LONGER?! __________________ Stupendous Monster

10-26-2006, 07:04 PM	#12
Silent FOx Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 212	I'm a DBZ fan. I started reading the mangas a couple years back, and it only increased my love of the show. It can be slow and tedious at times, but I still enjoy it for what it is. __________________

10-26-2006, 08:32 PM	#13
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	How do the mangas compare to the t.v. show? Are they more mature? Follow the same story line? etc...

10-27-2006, 09:44 AM	#16
Draconic Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 328	It would be awsome, although extremely tedius and time consuming, if someone took the initiative to cut the repetitive fight scenes down into more intense and meaningful fight scenes, and cut down on the filler, meaningless B.S. I bet if that happened, they could cut DBZ down to 100-125 episodes easily, and create a much more interesting DBZ. __________________ [CENTER] Last edited by Draconic; 10-27-2006 at 01:58 PM.

10-27-2006, 01:46 PM	#18
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	DBZ and pretty much any cartoon from Japan make my brain explode. I've have never viewed more ridiculous things in my entire life. If I never go another day without seeing another generic looking anime character, stupid chibi face, or spiky haired fruitcup, it still won't have been long enough.

10-27-2006, 02:12 PM	#19
Draconic Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 328	Yea? Whatever Peanut. Sounds like a personal issue. I started watching DBZ in 6th grade. That show hooked me, and I remember waiting very impatiently every 4 months for new episodes. I even waited the freaking 2-year stent without any new episodes (right in the middle of the Freiza saga) and eventually lost inerest. About a year later, I caught some reruns, and ended up getting back into it, around the time of the Cell saga. I eventually finished watching the whole thing. That show, while incredibly drawn out, continued to keep me interested. The show was pretty emotional at some points, and in retrospect, I think I enjoyed their down-time just as much, if not more, than watching them fight. DBZ is also the anime that opened my mind to other anime. The gateway anime. Since then, my tastes have matured a tad, but I think that DBZ will not go forgotten. I think that this show goes next to Power Rangers, and the TMNT, not for quality nor nostalgia, but as far as influencing me to become an artist, as well as a martial artist. __________________ [CENTER]

10-27-2006, 10:40 PM	#20
~~Toonami Tom~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: USA Posts: 4,939	DragonBall Z used to be my favorite show. I love the action, the fighting, the powers, the characters, everything about it. I stopped watching after Kid Buu was destroyed. I'm not sure why I didn't see anymore episodes after that, probably due to the show being on when it was time to eat dinner. I was going to sell all my DragonBall Z figures on ebay, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I wish a toy company would make 6" fully articualted DBZ figures with great sculpts. That would be great. Goku is my favorite hero character in the show, and Cell is my favorite villian character. I figured it was only a matter of time before someone mentioned Goku and 'that' Bulma scene from DragonBall.