What did you think of the Turtles various love interests?

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by Rooish

THIRD: I've heard EITHER touching of any sort down the pants/skirt, OR oral s*x.

OMG, you've censored the word "sex" LOL. What a prude.

Originally Posted by Jester

Am I the only one who felt that Don had a thing for Sidney (Quarry)?

I dunno. He might have... a bit. Or maybe he was just being heroic.

[Buslady]

Mona was cute, I hate Ninjara, she didnt give him a chance to fix their relationship. Mona was cuter, flirtier and she obviously wanted him. HE crushed on april in the first movie but the powers that be decided that was wrong ...idiots. predjudice against a teen turtle guy whos forced not to be allowed to have a girl friend...
donnie's officially gotta thing for april in the new toon. hes crushing on every of ther freakin chick that crosses his path

i believe the regenta is framing mike, those eggs ain't his...you dont just make out and the next day and plop out a clutch over night. it's unrealistic. its at least a couple months before my turtle lays her eggs after getting cozy with donnie.

leo and karai...he'd like to get it on but she's a cobra who wants to kill him...hehehe

i have no problem with any of them in mirage comics taking a liking to someone for real not some lame one night stand (or in mikes case, swim) they do like girls, they are mature, healthy male mutant turtles...they have got to have some...natural instincts...that need to be taken care of...even if they can't reproduce, they got the hormones...

[Coola Yagami]

That's true. Whenever there are theads that involve turtle/human relationships and sex comes up, people would always argue before about how a TMNT/April thing wouldn't work out or she won't be able to have their kids and blah blah blah, but that doesn't mean the TMNT haven't at least THOUGHT of going at it with her just for the damn hell of it.

[Rooish]

Touché, everybody. Hormones exist.

And Sewer Bull, I wouldn't have censored it, but I was worried that it would get censored anyway... sex sex sex sex sex, all right?

[Warhorse]

Oh dear. Well, I guess it's safe to say that this site is not for this kids anymore. They gotta learn this stuff from somewhere so they aren't the laughing stock of their peers!

And CBS thought that the Turtles weren't educational enough. This shows how much they knew!

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Oh dear. Well, I guess it's safe to say that this site is not for this kids anymore.

Because it is full of the original show fans, who were kids like... 15-20 years ago? Sheesh.

And now they're all grown-ups, fully-developed and well-endo...

OK, I'll stop that.

Originally Posted by Rooish

Touché, everybody. Hormones exist.

And Sewer Bull, I wouldn't have censored it, but I was worried that it would get censored anyway... sex sex sex sex sex, all right?

Right, young padawan.

SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem... back on topic... I prefer Ninjara to Mona Lisa, how about you guys?

[mik8la]

I actually like the Karai/Leo relationship--it's twisted and complex and freaking angsty...well, in the new 'toon, anyway (and probably in the comics, from what I hear, though they got along well enough there). Even if it's not necessarily a romantic one (though, really, if Karai were a guy, there'd be a weird slashy vibe to it), it still kind of dimensionalizes the two of them: Leo may have enough of his own demons to empathize with Karai, and Karai may have her own share of inner light to connect with Leo. Ironically, I think they may understand each other more than even their families do.

Lotus Blossom...aw, man, when I first saw that ep I was so distressed by the idea of Leo being all moony over a girl that I curled up in my Dad's lap and sulked all night. Yes, I was such a kid.

Ninjara seemed cool, even though I've only seen little of her. Too bad she and Raph broke up eventually--I think she left Raph for another fox or something over a incredibly dramatic story arc or something? Even the title was soap opera-ish: "Mooneyes".

Donnie/April is another favorite of mine--at least in the new 'toon--because it's got that sense of impending doom written all over it. I have a soft spot for unrequited love, and it's kind of sad sometimes to see Don have to watch April with Casey (because they are the main couple of the TMNT-verse, really). As for his thing with Sydney, well, I didn't really see it; he wasn't any more romantic toward her than he was to anyone else. Jhanna, though, he might have felt something for (odd that this happened right as Casey and April were becoming "official"...).

I always thought Mikey and Kala were cute, even though her voice was incredibly annoying. Mikey's a pimp! Except in the new 'toon--I don't think he's expressed interest in anyone in the new 'toon...

[triplexxx]

Originally Posted by mik8la

I actually like the Karai/Leo relationship--it's twisted and complex and freaking angsty...well, in the new 'toon, anyway (and probably in the comics, from what I hear, though they got along well enough there). Even if it's not necessarily a romantic one (though, really, if Karai were a guy, there'd be a weird slashy vibe to it), it still kind of dimensionalizes the two of them: Leo may have enough of his own demons to empathize with Karai, and Karai may have her own share of inner light to connect with Leo. Ironically, I think they may understand each other more than even their families do.

I got one word to describe this: bullsh**
I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Leonardo "had" sympathy for her, considering how her life was stuck between good and evil, how she was obligated to serve the Shredder and obligated to preserve her honor at the same time; that is probably the harshest type of lifestyle anyone could have. But Leonardo and the others seemed to understand this, after a while anyway; and they tried to help her out in any which way they could, and everytime she refused to turn from Shredder and start a new life, as they offered to help her with, they always gave her another chance.
And how did she thank them for all this?
By breaking into their home and trying to kill them.
It's true they did contribute to her father's final fate, BUT they weren't the ones who delivered this fate to him; it was the Utroms that did this through a fair trial, and they ended up deciding to exile him when they could've executed him instead, and in consideration of all the crimes, murders, etc. on C'hrell's criminal record, I'd say the mere fact that they allowed him to live was being 1000 times more merciful to him than he deserved, and I think Karai, considering how smart she is, should've at least acknowledged this if not accepted it. If she had acknowledged it, maybe she would've reconsidered the turtles' offer to help her start a new life as they promised before, but instead she decided vengeance was better, and there was no way she could reach the Utroms, so she chose to take it out on the turtles. After the events in "Scion of the Shredder" and "Prodigal Son", I'd say all sympathy for her went clear out the window.

[mik8la]

Originally Posted by triplexxx

I got one word to describe this: bullsh**

Wow, that was friendly. I'm sorry that I was merely stating my opinion. I don't want this to descend into a "pro" or "anti"-Karai fight, but though I don't excuse her wrongdoings, I do believe she has her merits. People seem to forget that if Leo had not tried to reach out to her, Shredder would have killed him--he had him in his clutches and Karai actually raised her blade against her own father to stop him. Would she have done it if it had been any of his brothers? Maybe not. But the point is that for someone raised in the traditional Japanese manner--where family takes priority above everything--that took guts. And both Leo and Karai went through their own respective psychotic breakdowns after that fight. The difference was that Leo had his family while Karai had no one.

All right, I'm done.

[triplexxx]

I apologize for using the "b-s" word, I only meant to disagree, not offend you, and I realize I did it too harshly.
I'm sure she would've done the same for the other turtles or Splinter that she did for Leonardo in that scene, she believed her and her father had won the battle and that hurting them more wasn't necessary; although like I implied, she completely changed her mind about this after her father's trial.

[Spawn Guy]

Because anger and vengeance are such rational things.

[mik8la]

Originally Posted by triplexxx

I apologize for using the "b-s" word, I only meant to disagree, not offend you, and I realize I did it too harshly.

S'all right; that's cool when you're having a face-to-face conversation with people and you can actually see their expressions when you're talking, but it can come off as offensive when you're posting on a messageboard. No harm done.

At any rate, we'll never really know for sure if she would've raised her blade against Shredder if it had been Splinter or any of Leo's brothers. I do think she would've hesitated if they were, though--I don't think they really register on her radar the way Leo does. Even after the conclusion of the trial where all four turtles are watching her being carted away, it's only Leonardo she addresses.

I don't think I'll change your opinion of Karai any more than you can change mine, so let's just agree to disagree. Understand, though, that I'm not condoning her actions--she made some pretty horrible decisions--but I don't think she's irredeemable, either (and neither do the turtles, if the Lost Season is any indication).

[J Legault]

I too like the Leo and Karai relationship. Since Karai is one of my favorite TMNT heroines next to April. Even if it's not the average "love" relationship. Specially when she's been through a lot of vengences and suffering in Season 4, but least I know she'll have change of heart in the "Lost season"

Also I've only seen one (Old School)TMNT episode with the whole Lotus & Leo relationship. But she's as cool & admireable as Karai.

[mik8la]

Originally Posted by J Legault

I too like the Leo and Karai relationship. Since Karai is one of my favorite TMNT heroines next to April. Even if it's not the average "love" relationship. Specially when she's been through a lot of vengences and suffering in Season 4, but least I know she'll have change of heart in the "Lost season"

That's exactly it. One-dimensional relationships bore me; even if it's not strictly romantic, the connection they have with each other dimensionalizes them. It's very hard to find a strong fictional woman character who isn't a vanilla cardboard cutout, can kick ass just as well with the guys (without it coming off as a PC move), and has a costume that doesn't have her assets hanging out. Karai is flawed and tortured and controversial--what can you expect from a woman raised by the Shredder?--and she's a lot more interesting that way.

Also I've only seen one (Old School)TMNT episode with the whole Lotus & Leo relationship. But she's as cool & admireable as Karai.

Seems Leo has a thing for girls with questionable morals, doesn't he?

[Coola Yagami]

Don't feel bad about seeing one episode, I'm pretty sure there were only 2 Lotus episodes. The second one was a CBS one, I'm pretty sure it had something to do with Shredder posing as one of her ancestors as a trick to have her fight against the turtles again. I still remember her line from her first appearance.

"I'm sorry Leonardo, but I don't see much good in goodness."

[mik8la]

Sorry for being nitpicky, but it was "there is no gold in goodness." She was a mercenary type--she kicked Krang's butt when he refused to pay her--and even tried to get Leo to join her as "ninjas for hire". Quite possibly the funniest thing about the episode was Bebop and Rocksteady getting all excited trying to decide who to root for when she and Leo duel (Shredder: "Will someone just trash someone!").

God, I used to be so distressed by that episode when I was a kid. No wonder I remember it so well.

[Warhorse]

^You think you'll get distressed when you watch the new movie. If you watch it?

[mik8la]

I was three or four then. It was like, "Ew, lovey-dovey stuff! Cooties!" The Mona Lisa ep didn't affect me as much, though, and I didn't think Kala and Mikey were cute until years later.

Heh. I'll probably end up seeing the movie mostly for the CGI-ed Karai.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Jester

Am I the only one who felt that Don had a thing for Sidney (Quarry)?

Don't remind me of another in that long list of "Blown oppertunities" the new series has been notorious at, it's almost the only flaw about it.

[Sage Ninja]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Don't remind me of another in that long list of "Blown oppertunities" the new series has been notorious at, it's almost the only flaw about it.

I think the new toon would have gotten around to it if it hadn't had to go all crappy Fast Foward on us. I thought I saw a bit of the relationship tension comeing around during the episode where Don goes Gamera on us.

Don is definately they player in the New toon and Michaelangelo is the player in the Mirage Comics and old toon, and Raphael is a ladies man in the Archie Comics. looks like Leo is the celibate turtle.