Does anyone know?

[Ra]

Don't get me wrong, I love Super Smash Brothers, but I just don't think getting a Wii is worth it. Oh well...

[ThirdMarioBro]

I honestly hope PS3 gets on its feet before its too late, because this industry needs competition, and I really like the PS3 from a hardware standpoint. Its just the games are sh*t. The only reason Nintendo took such a risk on the Wii is because they had their balls against the wall. It was do or die, so they did and lived. Microsoft learned fast, but they only got it right because Sony was so wise last time.

I like having three powerhouses in the industry, always juggling places. Each one offers something different. People need to stop proclaiming the death of a company for falling into third (Nintendo last gen, apparently Sony this gen) and they need to stop praying for the death of the generation's big dog.

My advice to the world: "Play games and shut the hell up."

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Ra

Yeah, the Wii and the PS3 suck high quality crap right about now in terms of the games available. Personally, I'm going to get myself a PS3 so I can get the games I love/want. But I'm attached to my PS2 so much that I'm going to wait for that ridiculous price tag to drop so I can sell my dear friend to the museum for the PS3. The Wii however, doesn't really have anything to offer but the Twilight Princess game. At least with the PS3 you know that there will be games that you are going to play on there to come out. The Wii...well, it seems to be targeting sports games now...how it will handle games like TMNT I will never know until I see a demo. Oh well. All we can do is wait...

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but that post really reeks of...it's hard to describe. It just seems like something a very uneducated person would say. In terms of video games, anyways.

[LogicDonny]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but that post really reeks of...it's hard to describe. It just seems like something a very uneducated person would say. In terms of video games, anyways.

are you always so negative peanut? Peopel can say what they want, please stop doing this to otehrs, dude.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by LogicDonny

are you always so negative peanut? Peopel can say what they want, please stop doing this to otehrs, dude.

Yeah, I am. Mind your own business.

[Ecto Jedi]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but that post really reeks of...it's hard to describe. It just seems like something a very uneducated person would say. In terms of video games, anyways.

No, she's right. Just like last gen, Nintendo's console will have amazing first-party titles that'll push the system to its limits (and that will use the Wii control scheme to its fullest.) And, just like last gen, it won't have as many quality third party titles and franchises as the other two platforms. And I'm willing to bet that more often than not, the third party titles that do make it to the system will suffer because of the Wii's control scheme. And that, my friends, will be the Wii's Achilles' Heel.

I mean, if the same game comes out for all three consoles, which one will you buy? The PS3 or X-Box 360 versions, which will be beautiful, full-fledged titles, or some crappy-looking Wii port that stinks because not enough time was put into perfecting the control scheme?

[LogicDonny]

Originally Posted by Ecto Jedi

No, she's right. Just like last gen, Nintendo's console will have amazing first-party titles that'll push the system to its limits (and that will use the Wii control scheme to its fullest.) And, just like last gen, it won't have as many quality third party titles and franchises as the other two platforms. And I'm willing to bet that more often than not, the third party titles that do make it to the system will suffer because of the Wii's control scheme. And that, my friends, will be the Wii's Achilles' Heel.

I mean, if the same game comes out for all three consoles, which one will you buy? The PS3 or X-Box 360 versions, which will be beautiful, full-fledged titles, or some crappy-looking Wii port that stinks because not enough time was put into perfecting the control scheme?

mm it's obvois, the better ones, all wii ports are crap anywyas, Peanut will choose the wii. lol! Joking.

Um don't buy ports of games on wii.

[Ecto Jedi]

Originally Posted by LogicDonny

mm it's obvois, the better ones, all wii ports are crap anywyas, Peanut will choose the wii. lol! Joking.

Um don't buy ports of games on wii.

Well I don't know which school of thought you come from, but a system can't survive on first-party titles alone. That's what hindered the Gamecube.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by LogicDonny

mm it's obvois, the better ones, all wii ports are crap anywyas, Peanut will choose the wii. lol! Joking.

Jesus Christ. F*ck the hell off. The Wii is a piece of sh*t when it comes to third-party. I know that, I've said it time and time again! Get your head out of your ass and quit with your sh*t. It was bad enough with one yokel around here dogging my every move, now I've got to deal with one a great deal less brighter.

Originally Posted by Ecto Jedi

No, she's right.

I meant in terms of what she said about the PS3 having must-have titles, and apparently the Wii will not. Which is a joke. The Wii's first party offerings with drive anything Sony publishes into the ground. On top of the fact that "the Wii seems to be targeting sports games", which is another joke.

The Wii third-party, thus far, has been a complete waste of time. It's all just a means to get some quick cash. What you fail to see is that that third-party support is there now. It's strong. The Gamecube failed because it had zero third-party support. Do you think John Q. Public cares if The Godfather or Scarface were terrible games? Obviously not, because they were top selling games last year. Red Steel? A third-party Ubisoft exclusive? Terrible. Second best-selling game on the console behind Zelda. And on top of all this, the Wii is going to be getting a ton of exclusive third-party titles this time around, just because of how easy/cheap it is to develop for. Does that mean any of it will be good? Hell no! But can you honestly say the majority of the third-party games for the PS2 or Xbox were good games? No, you can't.

And once again, it seems like because I stick up for one thing, now I'm a Nintendo fanboy. Terrific!

[Ecto Jedi]

Originally Posted by Peanut

The Wii third-party, thus far, has been a complete waste of time. It's all just a means to get some quick cash. What you fail to see is that that third-party support is there now. It's strong. The Gamecube failed because it had zero third-party support. Do you think John Q. Public cares if The Godfather or Scarface were terrible games? Obviously not, because they were top selling games last year. Red Steel? A third-party Ubisoft exclusive? Terrible. Second best-selling game on the console behind Zelda. And on top of all this, the Wii is going to be getting a ton of exclusive third-party titles this time around, just because of how easy/cheap it is to develop for. Does that mean any of it will be good? Hell no! But can you honestly say the majority of the third-party games for the PS2 or Xbox were good games? No, you can't.

Whatever third-party titles the Wii does get, they'll have inferior graphics and, more likely than not, will suffer at the hands of a crappy, ill-concieved control scheme. I'm not saying the Wii won't have any third-party games -- I'm just saying that, at least 50% of the time, they'll be better on other consoles.

[Peanut]

And I'm not disagreeing! Don't you see where I said they were all sh*t? I'll even 1up you and say that 90% of them will be better on other consoles. People still buy PS2 games, don't they? And compared to the 360 versions, they're awful. I don't see the point you're trying to make.

[Ecto Jedi]

Originally Posted by Peanut

And I'm not disagreeing! Don't you see where I said they were all sh*t? I'll even 1up you and say that 90% of them will be better on other consoles. People still buy PS2 games, don't they? And compared to the 360 versions, they're awful. I don't see the point you're trying to make.

I'm saying that's why the Wii will have a hard time keeping up its reputation as the "most innovative, groundbreaking console ever." Sure, the first-party stuff will be great, but it's gonna get a sh*tload of sucky ports that'll bring the system down and turn off a whole lot of prospective buyers.

[Peanut]

Well, it's because that's not an opinion. It's just pure fact. There's no arguing with the truth.

[Ra]

Originally Posted by LogicDonny

are you always so negative peanut? Peopel can say what they want, please stop doing this to otehrs, dude.

No Donny, the guy is right. I am ridiculously uneducated in video games. And I was talking from my own point of view, as a person who is ridiculously content with her current PS2. To be honest, I really wouldn't trade in my PS2 for anything in the world until everything starts coming out on the PS3.

Originally Posted by Peanut

I meant in terms of what she said about the PS3 having must-have titles, and apparently the Wii will not. Which is a joke. The Wii's first party offerings with drive anything Sony publishes into the ground. On top of the fact that "the Wii seems to be targeting sports games", which is another joke.

Well, it's got at least a grain of truth in it. The PS3 will be churning out titles and sequels to successful titles, we all know that. It's inevitable. Currently, the Wii is targeting sports games. Currently. I'm not that much into the loop with the Wii, but all the advertising I've been seeing for it here has something to do with a Wii Sports Game Set including golf or baseball or something along the lines. Yeah, the Wii will improve with it's games, I'm sure of that. But for the start of this next gen race, it's the XBox 360 in front with the PS3 just in front of the Wii, which is getting games together as we speak to shoot out in front of the PS3.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Ra

Well, it's got at least a grain of truth in it.

Not really, no. Wii Sports is just a pack-in game that shows off the unique control scheme. Nothing more. There is a total of one sports game on the Wii right now that isn't Wii Sports. And I'm afraid to tell you that the Wii is whooping the PS3 handily in every territory. The Wii has already broken 4,000,000 units sold, and is startlingly close (about 30,000 units off) to selling 4,500,000 units, while the PS3 is struggling to hit even 1,500,000.

As for those super-successful titles, the real big ones? GTA, Madden? Available on other consoles now, and the PS3 just will not, as a fact, have the kind of installed base to make those huge hits even close to as successful as they were on the PS2. I mean, I've said it before, you're looking at one first-party title in the top 10 best-selling PS2 games of all time. Top 25? 3 first-party games. The kind of games that sold a ton were always third-party games. In fact, the only first-party Sony title to break 5 million units sold was Gran Turismo 3 (which had an astounding 11 million copies sold), but that also includes the pack-ins. The hard cold truth is that third-party companies cannot survive on making exclusive content anymore. Not this generation. The cost of development is too high, and the PS3 just does not have the installed base.

[LogicDonny]

Did you guys read the article on Factor 5 and the wii?

http://wii.ign.com/articles/762/762984p1.html

Factor 5 was one favorite developer who made some excellent games like the Rogue Squadron games, Rogue leader was the best launch title on the gamecube and teh sequel was still good but not as awesome as the 2nd title was.