Is St. Paddy's Day Racist?

**Jester** · 03-02-2007, 01:23 PM

This past week I was walking around several stores, and I've seen products like hats, t-shirts, and greeting cards and noticed one common theme: glorification of the negative stereotypes of the drunken Irish person. Maybe it's because I've got some Irish heritiage that makes me get a bit bent because of this, but how many people actually know the story of Saint Patrick (I have to admit I really don't) and how many just celebrate as another reason to get plastered. If another "holiday' celebrated a negative racial stereotype, there'd be outrage, why are the Irish easy pickings?

*Anarky* · 03-02-2007, 01:37 PM

Americans have the annoying tendency to see something racist in everything. Really. Every movie is racist, every TV-show, every holiday, every damned candy bar. Even the money.

It's ridiculous. Just drop it and get drunk.

**Jester** · 03-02-2007, 01:41 PM

Ok, maybe I should have made it a little more tongue and cheek.

Stimor · 03-02-2007, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarky

Americans have the annoying tendency to see something racist in everything. Really. Every movie is racist, every TV-show, every holiday, every damned candy bar. Even the money.

It's ridiculous. Just drop it and get drunk.

no and no, drop that and do whatever you want to do for all i care

Jed · 03-02-2007, 01:51 PM

Yes, I know the story of St. Patrick.

If you were ever in Dublin City Centre on Paddy's Day you'd see just how true all the Irish going out and getting drunk is. Depending on where I am that day and if I remember, I'll try to take a few pictures on my phone to show you the total mayhem that goes on on Paddy's Day. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the pub (no joke

).

Oh, and I do celebrate it as a reason to get plastered. There is no point to Paddy's Day, like most holidays. He just rid Ireland of snakes and more than likely the story isn't real anyway.

**Jester** · 03-02-2007, 01:55 PM

I also should have specified America. I'm sure those in Ireland know. Sorry, Jed.

(Please note, this thread was a poor attempt at humor....really poor)

*Anarky* · 03-02-2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stimor

no and no, drop that and do whatever you want to do for all i care

You are Stimor! Fine, then don't get drunk, if you don't want to. Dance a polka, for all I care.

But seriously, Americans are so concerned about everything being racist so that it appears to a complete outsider that American things must be called racist in order to even be acknowledged. I can see it in front of me right now. Casting for the Black Overdrive Power Ranger.

Black Ranger: "HIIIYAAAH! Overdrive Black!"
Audition people: "That was awesome! But are you sure you want to be the black overdrive ranger?"
BR: "Yeah, man. Why wouldn't I be sure. The Black Ranger is the coolest of the crew and he's got a mean hammer. You know the song "it's hammer time"? Hahahaha..."
AP: "Well, I mean... you're... ummm, I don't know how to say this... ummm... your skin."
BR: "Oh, yeah, I'm black. Get it, black guy/black ranger? Cool, eh? I don't even need a costume to be black."
AP: "Yeah, but you're black..."
BR: "And?"
AP: "Well... you wanting to be the black ranger?"
BR: "Okay, this could take a while..."

If you would stop finding everything racist, you might be better off all in all. To us europeans, it's really ridiculous. We have a good laugh every other week when we hear what's racist over in your place this time.

愛 · 03-02-2007, 02:28 PM

There just isn't anything better than some good racism. It's the American way. You can try to be the non-conformist, but then you won't have any friends. And nobody wants to be without friends.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 03-02-2007, 02:48 PM

Everything is racist. Lighten up people.

*gobo* · 03-02-2007, 03:41 PM

Yeah. Lighten up, Anarky.

BTW, Jester... Your original post did come across sounding sincerely up-in-arms. I suggest you use sarcasm tags the next time you attempt dry humor online. It just doesn't translate well in writing without a fair amount of context. Also, [SARCASM]that was outrageously racist of you! You're going to American hell for that.[/SARCASM]

*Mecha Cow* · 03-02-2007, 03:48 PM

rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] – noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Maybe if it were called 'Irish People Suck And Everyone Else Is Way More Betters Day' it would be racist, but I don't see what's so bad about suggesting the Irish like to drink. Sure, it's a stereotype, sure it's kind of ignorant, but it's really not that big of a deal, especially as it seems to be a positive one more than anything. Hell, they got a good deal if you ask me, we Dutch are still known as the people who legalise everything.

愛 · 03-02-2007, 04:02 PM

You mean you don't legalize everything?

*Mecha Cow* · 03-02-2007, 04:53 PM

I'm as shocked as you are.

Ra · 03-02-2007, 07:07 PM

One word - Yes. It's hard not to see a picture of a drunk Irishman on a postcard or a t-shirt on St. Patrick's day. It's a shame to; the day was originally a day for moarning and now it's a day about killing someone who isn't wearing green and getting wasted. Patrick would probably be rolling in his grave if he saw this...

*Katie* · 03-02-2007, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarky

Americans have the annoying tendency to see something racist in everything. Really. Every movie is racist, every TV-show, every holiday, every damned candy bar. Even the money.

It's ridiculous. Just drop it and get drunk.

that's 'cause it's constantly crammed down our throats by the media. If people in this fine melting pot spent more time looking at our similarities and less time looking at our differences we'd be a happier country. I't'll never happen...but I'm just saying.

Yeah, St. Patrick's day probably promotes a stereotype here just as much as alot of other things we do. But shame on the ignorant people who believe stereotypes anyway.

*gobo* · 03-02-2007, 07:40 PM

I forget. Did St. Patrick drive the snakes out of Ireland with a putter or a wedge?

Ra · 03-02-2007, 08:39 PM

Maybe it was with dynamite?

There are just way to many versions of the legend to say "Yeah, he drove them out with a walking stick" or something like that. It's just hard to know now days

Stimor · 03-03-2007, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

Everything is racist. Lighten up people.

how can there be so much wrong in 1 tiny sentence

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarky

You are Stimor! Fine, then don't get drunk, if you don't want to. Dance a polka, for all I care.

But seriously, Americans are so concerned about everything being racist so that it appears to a complete outsider that American things must be called racist in order to even be acknowledged. I can see it in front of me right now. Casting for the Black Overdrive Power Ranger.

Black Ranger: "HIIIYAAAH! Overdrive Black!"
Audition people: "That was awesome! But are you sure you want to be the black overdrive ranger?"
BR: "Yeah, man. Why wouldn't I be sure. The Black Ranger is the coolest of the crew and he's got a mean hammer. You know the song "it's hammer time"? Hahahaha..."
AP: "Well, I mean... you're... ummm, I don't know how to say this... ummm... your skin."
BR: "Oh, yeah, I'm black. Get it, black guy/black ranger? Cool, eh? I don't even need a costume to be black."
AP: "Yeah, but you're black..."
BR: "And?"
AP: "Well... you wanting to be the black ranger?"
BR: "Okay, this could take a while..."

If you would stop finding everything racist, you might be better off all in all. To us europeans, it's really ridiculous. We have a good laugh every other week when we hear what's racist over in your place this time.

which must mean that every claim of racism is silly and wrong, and this whole thing is from people in general there is no "europeans this and americans that, other, thing"

*That Matt Guy* · 03-03-2007, 06:08 AM

Irish is a race?

*Mecha Cow* · 03-03-2007, 09:35 AM

Why are you people crying over a stereotype? Do you also get upset when you see a little Italian guy with a huge moustache and a chef's hat on a pizza box (Don't bother answering - I know you don't)? That's 'racist' too, you know.

Stereotypes (Which are not at all the same thing as racism, for crying out loud) are always going to be around in some form, it's really not worth getting worked up over. Do you understand what a charicature is? Do you think anyone is dumb enough to take them seriously? Do you honestly think anyone cares?

You're making a huge deal out of nothing, stop whining. The day is an excuse to get drunk, go get drunk, you seem like you could use a drink.

03-02-2007, 01:23 PM	#1
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Is St. Paddy's Day Racist? This past week I was walking around several stores, and I've seen products like hats, t-shirts, and greeting cards and noticed one common theme: glorification of the negative stereotypes of the drunken Irish person. Maybe it's because I've got some Irish heritiage that makes me get a bit bent because of this, but how many people actually know the story of Saint Patrick (I have to admit I really don't) and how many just celebrate as another reason to get plastered. If another "holiday' celebrated a negative racial stereotype, there'd be outrage, why are the Irish easy pickings? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-02-2007, 01:37 PM	#2
Anarky Outlaw Hero Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tannhauser Gate Posts: 4,867	Americans have the annoying tendency to see something racist in everything. Really. Every movie is racist, every TV-show, every holiday, every damned candy bar. Even the money. It's ridiculous. Just drop it and get drunk. __________________ Because it's... I dunno... brutal.

03-02-2007, 01:41 PM	#3
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Ok, maybe I should have made it a little more tongue and cheek. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-02-2007, 01:51 PM	#5
Jed Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 956	Yes, I know the story of St. Patrick. If you were ever in Dublin City Centre on Paddy's Day you'd see just how true all the Irish going out and getting drunk is. Depending on where I am that day and if I remember, I'll try to take a few pictures on my phone to show you the total mayhem that goes on on Paddy's Day. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the pub (no joke ). Oh, and I do celebrate it as a reason to get plastered. There is no point to Paddy's Day, like most holidays. He just rid Ireland of snakes and more than likely the story isn't real anyway. __________________ I am Frank-Zappa-as-imagined-by-the-editor-of-a-famous-rock-&-roll-magazine. I am an anachronism who makes the ugliest music on the planet. I have no right to call myself a member of the human race. I am tasteless, untalented, pompous, arrogant, cruel, insensitive, vulgar and not a fun guy because I don't use drugs. Last edited by Jed; 03-02-2007 at 01:58 PM.

03-02-2007, 01:55 PM	#6
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	I also should have specified America. I'm sure those in Ireland know. Sorry, Jed. (Please note, this thread was a poor attempt at humor....really poor) __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-02-2007, 02:28 PM	#8
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	There just isn't anything better than some good racism. It's the American way. You can try to be the non-conformist, but then you won't have any friends. And nobody wants to be without friends.

03-02-2007, 02:48 PM	#9
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	Everything is racist. Lighten up people. __________________

03-02-2007, 03:41 PM	#10
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	Yeah. Lighten up, Anarky. BTW, Jester... Your original post did come across sounding sincerely up-in-arms. I suggest you use sarcasm tags the next time you attempt dry humor online. It just doesn't translate well in writing without a fair amount of context. Also, [SARCASM]that was outrageously racist of you! You're going to American hell for that.[/SARCASM] __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

03-02-2007, 03:48 PM	#11
Mecha Cow Gorgeous and modest too Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,699	rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] – noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. Maybe if it were called 'Irish People Suck And Everyone Else Is Way More Betters Day' it would be racist, but I don't see what's so bad about suggesting the Irish like to drink. Sure, it's a stereotype, sure it's kind of ignorant, but it's really not that big of a deal, especially as it seems to be a positive one more than anything. Hell, they got a good deal if you ask me, we Dutch are still known as the people who legalise everything. __________________

03-02-2007, 04:02 PM	#12
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	You mean you don't legalize everything?

03-02-2007, 04:53 PM	#13
Mecha Cow Gorgeous and modest too Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,699	I'm as shocked as you are. __________________

03-02-2007, 07:07 PM	#14
Ra It's my desire? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In your pants. Posts: 4,441	One word - Yes. It's hard not to see a picture of a drunk Irishman on a postcard or a t-shirt on St. Patrick's day. It's a shame to; the day was originally a day for moarning and now it's a day about killing someone who isn't wearing green and getting wasted. Patrick would probably be rolling in his grave if he saw this... __________________ "So. The whole lot of you against little old me? How retarded."

03-02-2007, 07:40 PM	#16
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	I forget. Did St. Patrick drive the snakes out of Ireland with a putter or a wedge? __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

03-02-2007, 08:39 PM	#17
Ra It's my desire? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In your pants. Posts: 4,441	Maybe it was with dynamite? There are just way to many versions of the legend to say "Yeah, he drove them out with a walking stick" or something like that. It's just hard to know now days __________________ "So. The whole lot of you against little old me? How retarded."

03-03-2007, 06:08 AM	#19
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	Irish is a race?

03-03-2007, 09:35 AM	#20
Mecha Cow Gorgeous and modest too Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,699	Why are you people crying over a stereotype? Do you also get upset when you see a little Italian guy with a huge moustache and a chef's hat on a pizza box (Don't bother answering - I know you don't)? That's 'racist' too, you know. Stereotypes (Which are not at all the same thing as racism, for crying out loud) are always going to be around in some form, it's really not worth getting worked up over. Do you understand what a charicature is? Do you think anyone is dumb enough to take them seriously? Do you honestly think anyone cares? You're making a huge deal out of nothing, stop whining. The day is an excuse to get drunk, go get drunk, you seem like you could use a drink. __________________