To You FF Bashers

[Revan]

Spit, what is/are your favorite episode(s) from FF

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

Spit, what is/are your favorite episode(s) from FF

Trust me I'm far from an FF fan. The sow isn't perfect but honestly not half as bad as some people make it out to be.

I liked "Bad Blood" but it also made me mad because it felt like untapped potential.

I liked "Obsolete" not so much the episode as a whole but the Gunjin are some cool new characters.

"The Freaks Come Out at Night..." Another episode I saw potential in and knew if they hadn't toned the show down would have been pretty wicked.

"Night of Sh’Okanabo!" And yet again an episode I saw a dark side too. A common theme in FF with me.

See FF has tons of episodes I can totally see were ment to be darker then they were but the tone down had them changed. FF is as 2K3 as anything else down at the core, they were just forced to coat it over with a little Disney.

[Revan]

^ All those eps you mentioned have interesting characters. I noticed something about FF that was just off but I could never put my finger on it. Sure the animation is different but that's so obvious. FF has the elements (characters and sometimes plot) to be a good series if they could just turn down the lights and up the darkness.

I also really enjoyed watching timing is everything. It was a nice feel good episode. I specifically liked how they portrayed the turtles as much improved fighters. Season one of 2k3 they had much trouble fighting shredder and in this ep, we get to see that they have in fact become more skilled. Shredder even notices this.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

^ All those eps you mentioned have interesting characters. I noticed something about FF that was just off but I could never put my finger on it. Sure the animation is different but that's so obvious. FF has the elements (characters and sometimes plot) to be a good series if they could just turn down the lights and up the darkness.

I also really enjoyed watching timing is everything. It was a nice feel good episode. I specifically liked how they portrayed the turtles as much improved fighters. Season one of 2k3 they had much trouble fighting shredder and in this ep, we get to see that they have in fact become more skilled. Shredder even notices this.

Exactly the point I've been trying to make. I'm glad someone finally gets it.

I still need to see that one I heard it's actually pretty good.

[Revan]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Exactly the point I've been trying to make. I'm glad someone finally gets it.

I still need to see that one I heard it's actually pretty good.

It's up on www.4kids.tv

there are annoying commercials before each ep though

[Jester]

I tend to respect the diffrent TMNT as diffrent tellings of the same myth. Yes some are lame (NT:TNM) and some are awesome (TMNT 90, 2k3, and 07). I "like" >>, because it's TMNT. Sure it has it's faults, but doesn't every part of the TMNT mythos?

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Jester

I tend to respect the diffrent TMNT as diffrent tellings of the same myth. Yes some are lame (NT:TNM) and some are awesome (TMNT 90, 03, and 07). I "like" >>, because it's TMNT. Sure it has it's faults, but doesn't every part of the TMNT mythos?

Jester thank you thank so much from the gods above! lol

[Jester]

Why's that, because I as a Turtle fan try to take the good with the....um...not so good. No TMNT is bad, imo

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Jester

Why's that, because I as a Turtle fan try to take the good with the....um...not so good. No TMNT is bad, imo

Because your rational and you know how to pick good stuff out of the bad instead of seeing it all as negative.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Jester

Why's that, because I as a Turtle fan try to take the good with the....um...not so good. No TMNT is bad, imo

Yes and I'm also sick of everyone just being so damn negative all the time.
It's just geez ok it's just a cartoon you know people out there have cancer and aids..

[Sliced]

To compare FF with the first 2k3 season is nothing short of absurd. Sure the first season had some painful moments, very painfull ones... But what I can say about the first season of FF is that it did had some good moments, some very good ones.

It took me some time to actually like the 2k3 series, and I'll agree with ya that some of the dialogue was stupid. But I see FF like a big pie thrown at our faces, like '' this is what you have now, live with it... '' We're all of a sudden missing alot of the characters we all loved, and they were replaced by annoying ones that you really need to get used to. Cody and Serling are just those kind of characters you hate cuz they suck. I'll never like them, I'll try all of my life but they will always get on my nerves. I gave FF 5 episodes to hook me up just like I did with the first 2k3 season, FF failed miserably. I recently watched some more episodes, and although I enjoyed them, it was still too cliche and childish to my taste.

I'm gonna watch the whole thing, but I'll never really like it I'm afraid. I did saw some hope in some episodes, Bad blood and The Journal were ok eps as well as Timing is everything and Freaks come out at night. Now these were good. Cody was still annoying as hell, but the rest of the episodes made up for that.

Its always intersting to have new opinions about a subject such as this one. We might have some new opinions and interesting points brought in this thread, but the ''haters'' and the ''lovers'' are better just accept each other's opinions. As we saw how easy it is to have flames. Lets just stay smart in all of this.

[Spitfire]

Well I'm glad we can discuss this like civilized people. I agree with you by the way. I'm not so much comparing season one to FF, though I guess it came out that way, I'm just saying the first season of 2K3 and the series as a whole has had it's bad moments to so we should just give FF a break.

I know it's done mroe bad then good for alota fans but let's try and look at the positive because the FF bashing was getting really bad.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I remember posting at one point that I bought the Fast Forward DVD expecting the worst....but was surprised. Yes it is not exactly 2k3 series, and yeah I do like the animation better in that one.

But i really, truly love the Raph/Mikey relationship kept intact in the Fast Forward incarnation. And yes that goes far with me lol.

I mean one of the damn funniest things i've seen in any incarnation of the turtles was in Fast Forward. The one where Mikey actually makes a damn ventriloquist (hope i spelled that right) doll version of Raphael, and keeps it with him throughout the whole episode. It was his personal buddy lol. And being that the Raph/Mikey buddy-cop relationship is my fave part of the whole thing, seeing that brought a huge smile to my face. Pure gold lol.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by raphroehler2003

I remember posting at one point that I bought the Fast Forward DVD expecting the worst....but was surprised. Yes it is not exactly 2k3 series, and yeah I do like the animation better in that one.

But i really, truly love the Raph/Mikey relationship kept intact in the Fast Forward incarnation. And yes that goes far with me lol.

I mean one of the damn funniest things i've seen in any incarnation of the turtles was in Fast Forward. The one where Mikey actually makes a damn ventriloquist (hope i spelled that right) doll version of Raphael, and keeps it with him throughout the whole episode. It was his personal buddy lol. And being that the Raph/Mikey buddy-cop relationship is my fave part of the whole thing, seeing that brought a huge smile to my face. Pure gold lol.

Thats one of my fave moments as well.

[Sliced]

Well I'm not that aware of all the FF bashing that occured. It sure had his share of hate, but I thaught that most of us just got over it like I did. Guess I was wrong.

Its a desesperate attempt at saving a show from a big bad shark, and its really feeling desesperate sometimes. I got over most things, and was able to watch some more episodes. But it still wasn't enough really.

The fourth season of the 2k3 series was doing good without a shredder. I wasn't missing him too much, some great episodes and villains plus one outstanding story (if you like leo that is...) did the job just fine. Something FF is far from achieving. Sh’Okanabo is interesting, but he still lack the screen presence The Shredder had. Know what I mean ? As for the four evil turtles, its about as close we're ever gonna get from having slash on a new tmnt show. They're ok, but not that great either.

Anyway, If things keep this way, more people might be able to come in without fearing a flame war. Some nice discussions about FF is sure always welcomed.

[Juniorx]

forgive me...for bashing fast Forward if i ever did.only promblem i have with that show is cody and the turtles head shape thats it.so the rest i like.but i like 2k3 more sorry.

[Sewer Bull]

FF is getting better and better in my opinion.

The animation in 2K3 is still superior, tho'.

[X]

I at first thought FF wasn't all that great, but it grew on me. I was too busy feeling the way everyone else was, instead of being myself. Once I was myself, I thought, "hey this show isn't half bad." While most of the jokes in FF fall flat, I have laughed more in FF then I did in 2k3, and this is coming from a person who knows the humor always falls flat in the 2k3/FF series.

Maximum Grind-A-Tude was dumb, very dumb, and kiddish imo.

So was Mikey saying, "Doctor Stocmanstein." Good way to hurt a very dark and cool episode.

Shoot, if I rewatch any of the seasons I can pick out on more then ten fingers, some of the crappiest lines I've heard in television.

However, I do agree with spitfire that I think a lot of people complain due to the change in animation style. No more fights with Touch and Go that seemed sped up, and I won't lie, I miss it, but it no longer makes me not enjoy FF, when really FF is the same, but with only some dead humans.

Both are good in the action department. Hearing mikey say in FF, "The futures so bright I gotta wear shades," is humor that hits and references the eighties. Better then him calling Stockman, Stockmanstein.

-X-

[ninjitsu_magic_47]

I like Fast Forward. At first I didn't want to watch it because I heard people say how terrible it was. But when I did get around to watching it, I didn't think it was half bad. Serling I personaly think is hilarious. His sarcastic nature makes me laugh, the way talks about the turtles. He's one of my favorite FF characters.

The villains aren't that bad, none of them are like the Shredder though. Viral, Sh'kanabo, and Jammerhead are cool. Cody I do find a little annoying, he is very enthusiastic, which annoys me.

And Starling? Why do people hate her? I don't thinks she's bad either. I can sort of realate to her in the sense of strange parents. She reminds me of Jauna, I think it's the blue skin.

The robot cop however I want to throw in a junk yard. He really grinds my nerves. But then so did the Garbageman.

I think the fight scenes are good. Their quick and they have really good moves, that much you can't change. Their weapons are beyond awesome. But too bad they couldn't keep their tribunal weapons.

And you also get to see things you wouldn't ordanarly see. Like the turtles in tuxes. XD How often have you seent that in 2k3? And Mikey acted just as I would have imagined him to if he was exposed to a camara.

Master Splinter doesn't fight as often, but it's still the beginning. I also noticed that he is quite a bit shorter then before. But he is the same none the less.

To dislike FF just because of it's animation, which I have no qurral with, is sort of narrow minded. It can be light but still be a good show.

I have to conclude this, my mom wants me. Bye!

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Please re-watch Season 1 and then watch FF.

You will realize it's the exact same crap as FF except the animation style is different. That's all you guys care about. So stop bashing FF, it's not only annoying but you never have any good points.

Bulls*it. Season two is far worse than the first season and more of a better example for this argument, but it's nice to see you're now jumping on the "support FF" fad like every other fan settling for medicority. I'd rather not sell out.