To You FF Bashers

[jeff the cheff]

I disagree. Saying that 2k3 has just as bad writing as FF just because there are a few cheesy lines in 2k3 isn't really right. Sure, there were a few cheesy lines written in 2k3, I don't think anybody would deny that. But I think there is more of it in FF.

And the stupid one-liners aren't even what makes the FF writing bad. It's everything combined. The stories, the rest of the dialogue, the character developing, etc...."It's Ninja time!" or "Maximum grind-a-tude!" do not automatically make the writing bad.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by X

Zarius, if you say that FF is badly written, TMNT 2k3 technically is as well. I've seen cartoons written way better then 2k3.

Using the "some of the new series is just as crap as FF" is'nt an excuse. FF is CONSISTENTLY S*ITE to the critics, the previous seasons were not.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Well we all know that. Of course there are cartoons better written than 2K3(JLU, Batman TAS, Gargoyles, Avatar, Samurai Jack), and yes, the humor in 2K3 fell flat...alot, just like in FF.

But the humor isn't the only real issue.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Perhaps what Spit's really trying to say is that he's afraid the crtitics are trying to flatline FF and end all support of the series as it stands presentsly, therefore preventing a return to the quality we were reaching through any and all means. Perfectly reasonable, but the way he's went around the problem has'nt been reasonable

Uh no, it doesn't matter what we say it won't affect the series one way or another*If that were the case FF would have never happened to begin with because we all asked for less Sci-Fi* I was simply trying to cool down the FF flaming so people who did like the show could come forward without getting mauled. If you don't partake in the mauling them I wouldn't worry about it because your not being addressed.

[Swany]

Argument aside, it cant be that crap if I'm getitng up every morning at 9:20 to watch it.

3 hours before I usually get up.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Please re-watch Season 1 and 2, then watch FF.

You will realize it's the exact same crap as FF except the animation style is different. That's all you guys care about. So stop bashing FF, it's not only annoying but you never have any good points.

Nano was annoying he's an FF status villain. So is Garbageman. You want filler episodes there's plenty, like the Golden Puck or any of those stupid ass baby turtle stories.

And you think the dialog is bad in FF? They may say Ninja Time in FF but they don't ever say anything as bad as "Maximum grind-a-tude!!!!!" That whole sports scene in "Darkness At The Edge Of Town" or whatever it was called is horrid. They toss around radical more then they did in the old toon.

So yeah, stop being nay sayers because 2K3 has it's fair share of crap in it too.

After that, I'm not reading anymore of this thread. If you have a problem with people bashing >> without valid reasoning, skip their posts. It irritates me too, but you won't change their minds this way. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, which you already know. I recall you once said you're here to express your own opinions, not everyone else's. I admire that. But, that makes you seem a bit of a hypocrite for this post. You're better than that. Maybe you should avoid posting when you're tired. I'm sure that was the problem.

Holy crap! I sound like iris here, don't I?

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Swany

Argument aside, it cant be that crap if I'm getitng up every morning at 9:20 to watch it.

3 hours before I usually get up.

hahah that's a pretty good point haha I usually end up falling asleep cause I'm hung over from being at the bar all night.
It's so hard to sit through all these shows thats are even worse than Fast Forward...god if it ever got as bad as viva pinata I'd shoot the tv like a fat old Elvis.

[X]

Yea when I said there were better written shows then 2k3, I was thinking of the Justice League cartoons. I had all sets on DVD and when I got season 2 of JLU I sat and watched them all, and thought, damn this is one tight ass cartoon.

Very well written.

Me saying 2k3 and FF are the same, I really mean that some episodes of 2k3 ranked sour cheese, so do some episodes of FF. The comedy was crappy in 2k3, and it's slightly better in FF. Only one episode of 2k3 got me to laugh hard, and that was in Samurai Tourist, where a dude hit a parked car on his bike. Comedy like that will go further, then most of Mikeys one liners. In FF I have laughed quite a bit, but still not as much as I could if the comedy was placed right. One standout line by Mikey I remember well in FF, was the futures so bright I gotta wear shades line. It came out of nowhere, while being monitored by Bishop. I love 80's references, and plus it fit well. Again though, most of the comedy in 2k3, and FF is horrible, and the old toon murders this show in terms of comedy. Slapstick humor is always better in my book. When you hear lines like, "uh oh if we don't hurry this will turn into a two part episode," yea that just works well, and spoofs itself.

EDIT: Might as well throw this in. The action in 2K3/FF murders the old toon. Old toon = better comedy, new toon = better action.

-X-

[Risawn]

My take on FF, I don't hate it. Sure, its not the greatest thing, but its watchable.

My guess is they toned it down to get more kids hooked on Ninja Turtles so they could have a bigger fan base. Comparing the new series to the original series, the new series is a lot more violent and darker and a rating of PG7, or whatever. So they toned it down in the hopes of snagging a younger audience.

Anybody who watches the original series knows how campy and cheesy it can be sometimes (but that's what I find so endearing about it!). So watching FF isn't that painful for me. So maybe I am a fan that will watch anything as long as its Turtles (eh, with an exception of Next Mutation, I can't bring myself that low), but as long as they keep spitting them out, I'll watch them.

Unless, of course, it doesn't come out on DVD *sighs*. All my experience with this particular series has been via DVD. Which is nice when you can fast forward through theme songs and don't have to worry about commercial breaks.

I caught like three episodes of Ninja Tribunal via Comcast On Demand. Grr. . .

Ok, I'm veering off topic, will shut up now.

[iris]

Originally Posted by gobo

Holy crap! I sound like iris here, don't I?

Let's see what the judges say:

9.0... 8.5... 8.5... 6.5... 9.0

Gah! Only a 6.5 from Finland. Dang Finns.

[frank123]

I thought the reason FF gets bashed is that it's too childish and lame for fans of 2k3..at least that's how I feel. Fans of 2k3 liked the fact that it was a darker show and not ridiculous and corny like the 1987 show. It stayed more true to the comic books(with some changes made of course). When FF aired I didn't like it either because the lines became even more corny(ninja time) and I still feel it should be canceled. But we are all entitled to our own beliefs. Most people that bash FF are fans of 2k3 and became VERY ATTACHED so I don't blame them.

OH I feel that this should be added too: FF also got bashed because Season Five was pulled in favor of "this light-hearted show"...I think most people didn't appreciate 4kids replacing the lost season with this. I certainly did not.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by gobo

After that, I'm not reading anymore of this thread. If you have a problem with people bashing >> without valid reasoning, skip their posts. It irritates me too, but you won't change their minds this way. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, which you already know. I recall you once said you're here to express your own opinions, not everyone else's. I admire that. But, that makes you seem a bit of a hypocrite for this post. You're better than that. Maybe you should avoid posting when you're tired. I'm sure that was the problem.

Holy crap! I sound like iris here, don't I?

You really should have read the whole thread then because if you did you would see the point is to stop people from flaming other people for liking FF.

But begin as how I have to tell every person who comes in here that I guess I can assume the whole forum has problems reading.

[ZariusTwo]

It would help if you did'nt drag your petty vendettas into every other thread to prove your "point" Mr. High and Mighty.

[Head Spinnin' Bebop]

FF very much reflects the same way I feel about the new Batman series, its like a mockery to me, its like a rip-off series. These shows just don't follow through and represent their universe to me. Especially with the great representations and series we had prior. Its like a downward spiral, from my perspective, when you go from what we had to this. Too big of a jump, from one extreme to another.

[frank123]

Yea I was excited for that Batman cartoon but after watching a few episodes, it was torture. I'll stick with Batman comics.

[ToTheNines]

"The Batman" is a great cartoon. I'm not a hardcore Batman fan, but I go out of my way to watch Batman movies and read comics. "The Batman" has some of the best animation on TV today, and its just all around fun, There isn't really an on-going story, but I tune in every Saturday.

[ZariusTwo]

There was'nt really an "ongoing story" in Batman: TAS either, more an organic continuity, which is also seen in The Batman. Everything flows together if it needs to.

[frank123]

I like how this discussion shifted from FF vs. 2k3 to BTAS vs. The Batman.

[MAESTAS]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Please re-watch Season 1 and 2, then watch FF.

You will realize it's the exact same crap as FF except the animation style is different. That's all you guys care about. So stop bashing FF, it's not only annoying but you never have any good points.

I totally agree

[The Terror of Death]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

To be honest the only time I noticed the guys being out of character in FF was when Raph yelled "Cowabunga" in the wrestling episode. Now THAT was unforgivable and complete crap. I can't believe nobody caught that before the ep was produced. Other than that, I fail to see a difference in the guys otherwise.

I am glad somebody finally said it.