What is your favorite TMNT universe? - Page 2

GALAXY WARRIOR · 06-01-2007, 11:38 AM

its hard to pick. but i had the most fun with the archie comics. mirage started me. and the toon kept me :/ its hard to chose

The Shelf · 06-01-2007, 11:42 AM

Well, for me, the Mirage comics are my favorite incarnation. I haven't read a lot of them, but what I have read I have liked.

OT - Like most people, this is what got me started.
NT - Very nice, and obviously pretty close to the Mirage comics, so they get brownie points for that.
Movies - Fun all around, even III, though it's definitely the worst of them all.
Archie - The only exposure I've had to these is a single Super Special issue that I got when I was still fairly young. It was sillier than the old cartoon, but in a more obvious way. IIRC, the turtles met with some pirates. One of them (I think it was Leo, but it might have been Mike) gets captured by the pirates who take him to some evil scientist/doctor guy. The thing I remember most about this was that the evil dude wanted to take out Leo's SpLeEn!

Yeah, it was silly. Maybe I should give more of them a try, but even if they're not all as silly as that one issue, I think I would be turned off by all the environmentalist innuendo that I've heard about.

So, Mirage is my choice.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-01-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Shelf

Well, for me, the Mirage comics are my favorite incarnation. I haven't read a lot of them, but what I have read I have liked.

OT - Like most people, this is what got me started.
NT - Very nice, and obviously pretty close to the Mirage comics, so they get brownie points for that.
Movies - Fun all around, even III, though it's definitely the worst of them all.
Archie - The only exposure I've had to these is a single Super Special issue that I got when I was still fairly young. It was sillier than the old cartoon, but in a more obvious way. IIRC, the turtles met with some pirates. One of them (I think it was Leo, but it might have been Mike) gets captured by the pirates who take him to some evil scientist/doctor guy. The thing I remember most about this was that the evil dude wanted to take out Leo's SpLeEn!

Yeah, it was silly. Maybe I should give more of them a try, but even if they're not all as silly as that one issue, I think I would be turned off by all the environmentalist innuendo that I've heard about.

So, Mirage is my choice.

The 1987 TMNT cartoon was my favourite. But the Archie TMNT Adventures comics wasn't just silly. It delt a lot with serious themes as pollution. But the last issues were really weird.

Swany · 06-01-2007, 12:16 PM

I voted New toon. But only 'caus eits been so long sinceI'ce seen the Old toon I cant remember it. Plus, I have yet to read any of the comics.

Don't remember the movies either, I kep trying to buy the first one at Virgin (£5!) but I'm not allowed to spend anymore money till I have a job.

JusticeForce · 06-01-2007, 12:40 PM

We voted for the new toon (even though we've only seen the first two seasons and some FF, which we hate) because it seems to be the perfect hybrid of the old comics and the old toon - serious storylines and humor, not to mention some great animation! Plus its the first incarnation of TMNT that we got to experience together - re-igniting T's fandom and making J a fan for the first time!

We also really like all the movies, though, including III (but not TNM).

- T & J

DonatelloDomeHead31 · 06-01-2007, 01:36 PM

TMNT Adventures was my favorite because a long time ago, i had the comics but i also had a tape cassette that allowed me to read and listen along with the plots. I don't remember who voiced who; all i know is that the tape cassette contained "Turtle Tracks" to "Shreddered and Splintered."

*Spike Spiegel* · 06-01-2007, 01:41 PM

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The OT is the gateway drug!

I agree. Even though I haven't seen as many episodes of it as I have seen of 2k3, there is something cool and nostalgic about it(I just love stuff from the 80s anyway, like Back to the Future, TMNT, Ghostbusters, and my all-time favorite horror flick, Fright Night).

*odupianist* · 06-01-2007, 02:42 PM

I decided on the OT cause like Andrew said, it is the gateway drug for most.

*Warhorse* · 06-01-2007, 06:05 PM

There's just something about those movies that edged out the 2k3 toon for me. Dont know if it was the realism of live action puppets or fantastic cgi, or the big screen effect that had more of an impact on my memory, I'm not sure. But I have always loved the movies. I never watched TNM though (not sure why that would be lumped into the movie section, as far as I'm concerned, it had absolutely no continuity to the movie universe, perhaps TNM should have had it's own line.

*Roseangelo* · 06-01-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

I never watched TNM though (not sure why that would be lumped into the movie section, as far as I'm concerned, it had absolutely no continuity to the movie universe, perhaps TNM should have had it's own line.

TNM was actually concieved as and intended to be a continuation from the movie universe. Obviously the character design is extremely different, but they live in the same subway lair we saw in TMNT 2 & 3.

*Warhorse* · 06-01-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

TNM was actually concieved as and intended to be a continuation from the movie universe. Obviously the character design is extremely different, but they live in the same subway lair we saw in TMNT 2 & 3.

But then in the forth movie, there is no sign of a female turtle or power rangers, right?

Ok, let me put it this way. TNM might want to think of itself as a continuation of the movies, but the movies sure as hell dont see TNM as part of it's world.

*Roseangelo* · 06-01-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

But then in the forth movie, there is no sign of a female turtle or power rangers, right?

Ok, let me put it this way. TNM might want to think of itself as a continuation of the movies, but the movies sure as hell dont see TNM as part of it's world.

True enough. TNM basically doesn't exist as far as Peter Laird is concerned, so you're definitely not going to see any sign of it in future projects.

*Warhorse* · 06-01-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

True enough. TNM basically doesn't exist as far as Peter Laird is concerned, so you're definitely not going to see any sign of it in future projects.

Unless you want to think of Raph's bike in the new movie as a homage to the old series.

But really, I've never watched the show, and I honestly didn't know of it's existence until I joined this forum. But from what I heard of the series, I've been trying to steer clear from the show. I dont need my image of the Turtles damaged.

Risawn · 06-01-2007, 06:29 PM

This was a hard one.

I voted for OT because of the fact that, like most here, it was what got me hooked on the Turtles in the first place. But it was close between that and NT, I think I like the tv shows because there is a continual serial between them and the story line is always changing.

I'm still reading the comics, have read the first eleven or so of Vol1 Mirage, and bits and pieces of Vol2 and 4, and all of Vol 3 (I'm one of those who liked the gore I guess) but I haven't gotten into it enough to really be swayed into loving the comics more then the shows.

I'm still waiting to get into the heavier issues of the TMNT Adventure series, I ordered Issue 27 on ebay and have been stalled at 26 waiting for that one to come in so I could continue reading them. I think they're ok so far, but I keep hearing good things about the later issues.

My vote might change when I get my comic collection complete (that's always fun </sarcasm>)

*Andrew NDB* · 06-01-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

TNM was actually concieved as and intended to be a continuation from the movie universe. Obviously the character design is extremely different, but they live in the same subway lair we saw in TMNT 2 & 3.

And Splinter's ear is still sheared off in NT:TNM. Only universe this happens is the movie one.

I remember a lot of old interviews and such around the time it came off. Even Eastman himself said they were the same Turtles. Yet he also said in NT:TNM they were "older now, grittier." Kay...

GALAXY WARRIOR · 06-01-2007, 08:32 PM

the next mutation was at least an attempt to follow the movies but it got lost in cheapo vision and watered down everything. but as well as it could be said was stated it above NM considers itself part of the movies world but the movie doesnt not think the same

and the power rangers crossover was painful enough in itself.

*cowabunga14* · 06-01-2007, 09:28 PM

I went with the OT because that's how I got into the Turtles and its probably the main reason why I'm still a fan today.

*Andrew NDB* · 06-01-2007, 11:11 PM

I look at it like this as far as the movies go:

There's TMNT 1-3. NT:TNM continues TMNT 1-3. Years later, the new movie also continues TMNT 1-3, but does not continue NT:TNM. So both NT:TNM and the new movie are both alternate continuations of 1-3, but you can't have both in the same continuity simultaneously... it's like a "choose your own sequel" kind of thing.

Though, if in your mind you kind of wedge the new movie between TMNT 3 and NT:TNM, that kinda works.

*Warhorse* · 06-01-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I look at it like this as far as the movies go:

There's TMNT 1-3. NT:TNM continues TMNT 1-3. Years later, the new movie also continues TMNT 1-3, but does not continue NT:TNM. So both NT:TNM and the new movie are both alternate continuations of 1-3, but you can't have both in the same continuity simultaneously... it's like a "choose your own sequel" kind of thing.

Though, if in your mind you kind of wedge the new movie between TMNT 3 and NT:TNM, that kinda works.

Choose your own sequel. I like that. Could make for an interesting comic book or regular novel adaptation of the Turtles. Remember in the movie BIG, when Tom Hanks' character was trying to get the idea of an electronic comic book where you could choose your own adventure. That would be so cool.!

*Andrew NDB* · 06-02-2007, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by odupianist

I decided on the OT cause like Andrew said, it is the gateway drug for most.

It is, at least for our generation. It certainly was for me. If not for the cartoon, I never would have bothered with the Mirage material, which is almost really a paradox in itself.

If a thing introduces you to a thing you would never otherwise have known about, yet you love the thing you then knew about as a result even better than the introductory thing... how do you gauge the two things fairly in retrospect?

I'd seen almost all of the original cartoon in my childhood. Tons of toys, bedsheets, a backpack... you know, the works. All I know is just a few months back I popped in the new DVDs of the old cartoon and after watching about 6 episodes, once the "Holy ****, this is oldschool cool, man!!! Wow, I'm back!" factor of awe wore off, I really found myself tiring of them quickly and was unable to proceed beyond "Volume 3" of the DVDs of the old toon.

The Mirages, while the art is never really stable or consistent, I can always read those as an adult and be drawn in again.

View Poll Results: What is your favorite TMNT universe?
Mirage Comics Universe (+ or - Image Vol. 3, up to you)	9	17.31%
Original Cartoon Universe (Fred Wolf)	14	26.92%
Current Cartoon Universe (4Kids, also up to and including Fast Forward)	13	25.00%
Movie Universe (I lump NT:TNM in here + the 4th movie, as both continue 1-3)	10	19.23%
Archie Comics Universe (the "TMNT Adventures" series and its spinoffs/specials)	6	11.54%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

06-01-2007, 12:16 PM	#24
Swany Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Glasgow. Scotland Posts: 924	I voted New toon. But only 'caus eits been so long sinceI'ce seen the Old toon I cant remember it. Plus, I have yet to read any of the comics. Don't remember the movies either, I kep trying to buy the first one at Virgin (£5!) but I'm not allowed to spend anymore money till I have a job. __________________

06-01-2007, 01:36 PM	#26
DonatelloDomeHead31 Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Helping Casey Jones fix the Pick-Up Truck Posts: 878	TMNT Adventures was my favorite because a long time ago, i had the comics but i also had a tape cassette that allowed me to read and listen along with the plots. I don't remember who voiced who; all i know is that the tape cassette contained "Turtle Tracks" to "Shreddered and Splintered." __________________ Donatello: Pork rind. Donatello: Yeah, a few inquiries. Donatello: Turtles don't migrate, Raph. Birds do! Donatello: Have you seen the way this guy drives? Donatello: 0.00000003%! Donatello: I don't know, but it doesn't look good...

06-01-2007, 06:29 PM	#34
Risawn Thug Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 79	This was a hard one. I voted for OT because of the fact that, like most here, it was what got me hooked on the Turtles in the first place. But it was close between that and NT, I think I like the tv shows because there is a continual serial between them and the story line is always changing. I'm still reading the comics, have read the first eleven or so of Vol1 Mirage, and bits and pieces of Vol2 and 4, and all of Vol 3 (I'm one of those who liked the gore I guess) but I haven't gotten into it enough to really be swayed into loving the comics more then the shows. I'm still waiting to get into the heavier issues of the TMNT Adventure series, I ordered Issue 27 on ebay and have been stalled at 26 waiting for that one to come in so I could continue reading them. I think they're ok so far, but I keep hearing good things about the later issues. My vote might change when I get my comic collection complete (that's always fun </sarcasm>) __________________ Boredom is a terrible thing to waste

06-01-2007, 09:28 PM	#37
cowabunga14 Lover of Weird Things Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CA Posts: 4,014	I went with the OT because that's how I got into the Turtles and its probably the main reason why I'm still a fan today. __________________ How can something so beautiful shine on something so dreadful?

06-01-2007, 11:38 AM	#21
GALAXY WARRIOR Mouser Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 11	its hard to pick. but i had the most fun with the archie comics. mirage started me. and the toon kept me :/ its hard to chose

06-01-2007, 11:42 AM	#22
The Shelf Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,031	Well, for me, the Mirage comics are my favorite incarnation. I haven't read a lot of them, but what I have read I have liked. OT - Like most people, this is what got me started. NT - Very nice, and obviously pretty close to the Mirage comics, so they get brownie points for that. Movies - Fun all around, even III, though it's definitely the worst of them all. Archie - The only exposure I've had to these is a single Super Special issue that I got when I was still fairly young. It was sillier than the old cartoon, but in a more obvious way. IIRC, the turtles met with some pirates. One of them (I think it was Leo, but it might have been Mike) gets captured by the pirates who take him to some evil scientist/doctor guy. The thing I remember most about this was that the evil dude wanted to take out Leo's SpLeEn! Yeah, it was silly. Maybe I should give more of them a try, but even if they're not all as silly as that one issue, I think I would be turned off by all the environmentalist innuendo that I've heard about. So, Mirage is my choice.

06-01-2007, 12:40 PM	#25
JusticeForce Random Punk Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 46	We voted for the new toon (even though we've only seen the first two seasons and some FF, which we hate) because it seems to be the perfect hybrid of the old comics and the old toon - serious storylines and humor, not to mention some great animation! Plus its the first incarnation of TMNT that we got to experience together - re-igniting T's fandom and making J a fan for the first time! We also really like all the movies, though, including III (but not TNM). - T & J

06-01-2007, 02:42 PM	#28
odupianist Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,744	I decided on the OT cause like Andrew said, it is the gateway drug for most.

06-01-2007, 06:05 PM	#29
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	There's just something about those movies that edged out the 2k3 toon for me. Dont know if it was the realism of live action puppets or fantastic cgi, or the big screen effect that had more of an impact on my memory, I'm not sure. But I have always loved the movies. I never watched TNM though (not sure why that would be lumped into the movie section, as far as I'm concerned, it had absolutely no continuity to the movie universe, perhaps TNM should have had it's own line.

06-01-2007, 08:32 PM	#36
GALAXY WARRIOR Mouser Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 11	the next mutation was at least an attempt to follow the movies but it got lost in cheapo vision and watered down everything. but as well as it could be said was stated it above NM considers itself part of the movies world but the movie doesnt not think the same and the power rangers crossover was painful enough in itself.

06-01-2007, 11:11 PM	#38
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,542	I look at it like this as far as the movies go: There's TMNT 1-3. NT:TNM continues TMNT 1-3. Years later, the new movie also continues TMNT 1-3, but does not continue NT:TNM. So both NT:TNM and the new movie are both alternate continuations of 1-3, but you can't have both in the same continuity simultaneously... it's like a "choose your own sequel" kind of thing. Though, if in your mind you kind of wedge the new movie between TMNT 3 and NT:TNM, that kinda works. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]