What is your favorite TMNT universe? - Page 3

*Kendamu* · 06-02-2007, 02:52 AM

You're right, Andrew. This question is not fair. Let me see...

OT - The gateway drug. My gateway drug. I recently have gotten a renewed appreciation for it through the DVDs.
NT - I have only seen bits and pieces due to when it was on and me not owning a VCR until Fast Forward started. I have a feeling this will be near the top once more season sets have come out.
Movies - This may be my favorite. I'm not sure. I love 1, 2, and TMNT. I never have the urge to watch 3 and NT:TNM, though. The only thing that makes this better than the new toon right now is that there's so much nolstalgia for TMNT 1 and how TMNT 1 is a really good adaption of the source material.
Archie - I've had so little exposure to this book. I've read a few really great three-part arcs but I was never able to keep up with it.
Mirage - I like Mirage. I like Tales the best. I also like Image but I would've liked it more if it had a definite ending to it.

This is so hard. All of the universes, even the ones that are close to the source material, are still so diverse! I can't just narrow it down to one.

jenna · 06-02-2007, 04:01 AM

I voted movie universe but want to put this caveat in:

I do not favour film 3 or next mutation (cos I've never seen it) within this. But I love film 1 and the new film, and enjoy film 2.

The Terror of Death · 06-02-2007, 08:45 AM

2k3 beats all. The action/fighting is some of the greatest in cartoon history.

*Warhorse* · 06-02-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jenna

I voted movie universe but want to put this caveat in:

I do not favour film 3 or next mutation (cos I've never seen it) within this. But I love film 1 and the new film, and enjoy film 2.

About film three. I read the movie adapted novelization, and thought it was a good story. It's no more farfetched or strange than some of the episodes on 2k3 toon, or some of the storylines in the comics. I just wonder if Jim Henson studios was given the go ahead to provide the costumes for the third movie, the better costumes would have painted a better image of the movie in the fans eyes. I just wonder, because I just thought the story itself was cool. Especially the part where Mikey was fighting the urge of staying in ancient Japan, where he was accepted among the people, or going back with his brother.

The Shelf · 06-02-2007, 09:59 AM

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About film three. I read the movie adapted novelization, and thought it was a good story. It's no more farfetched or strange than some of the episodes on 2k3 toon, or some of the storylines in the comics. I just wonder if Jim Henson studios was given the go ahead to provide the costumes for the third movie, the better costumes would have painted a better image of the movie in the fans eyes. I just wonder, because I just thought the story itself was cool. Especially the part where Mikey was fighting the urge of staying in ancient Japan, where he was accepted among the people, or going back with his brother.

I think it's mostly the costumes that people have a problem with. The story itself wasn't bad, and none of the characters acted any sillier than the 2nd movie. The spots and some of the animatronics effects were a little strange, though.

Regarding TNM, well, we just won't go there. That's definitely the worst of all the American incarnations of the turtles (I reserve the worst ever for the Japanese incarnation that involved robot suits; some may disagree, but I just can't help it).

*Kendamu* · 06-02-2007, 04:29 PM

It wasn't just the costumes. It was also a lot of the lines. TMNT 2 was pretty silly, but I think TMNT 3 took it a bit far for the movie universe.

Bad Guys Lover · 06-02-2007, 05:45 PM

OT forever!

*Scandia* · 06-03-2007, 12:39 PM

I have no problem whatsoever with the third movie. But I just want to pretend that TNM never existed. And if Peter Laird thinks it's apocryphal- even better.

*odupianist* · 06-04-2007, 01:13 PM

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Unless you want to think of Raph's bike in the new movie as a homage to the old series.

Or the bike could be the Shell Cycle from 2k3, or Casey's bike from Mirage, or...

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and the power rangers crossover was painful enough in itself.

I thought it was funny actually. As long as you look at it as noncanon and just a funny crossover, it's pretty good.

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once the "Holy ****, this is oldschool cool, man!!! Wow, I'm back!" factor of awe wore off, I really found myself tiring of them quickly and was unable to proceed beyond "Volume 3" of the DVDs of the old toon.

Agreed lol. I have bought all of the old toon DVDs, but it has taken me forever to get through Vol 5 and 6. I haven't even started on Season 4.

TheAnimatedSeries · 06-04-2007, 01:44 PM

The movie universe is the perfect balance for the Turtles.

*Andrew NDB* · 06-04-2007, 01:49 PM

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The movie universe is the perfect balance for the Turtles.

Got to love the original film, but it's a slippery slope after that... straight down (until a small rebound with the new film, still far beneath the original film).

*Buslady* · 06-04-2007, 05:28 PM

I consider TMNT1 it's own cos they're totally different than in 2,3 but I can see it attatched to 4.

but my 'verse is tmnt1. they're the ONLY mutants. Thats the way it should be. More mutants make them look less unique and loses the coolness of mutant turtles.

Time Mistress · 06-04-2007, 08:25 PM

It's kind of nice to see such variety in everyone's favorites.

To do what Googasnatch did:

OT - my gateway drug too, from the very first ep no less, lucky me

Archie - came around at the same time as OT, one of my gateway drugs into comic collecting itself
Movies - (1 & 4 especially) 1 cemented my love for the franchise for life probably by squeezing everything I love most about TMNT into an 1 1/2 hours
Mirage - It was great to see the source material for the whole franchise and opened up a whole new level of TMNT for me
2k3 - The road back that revived my dormant TMNT love, basically everything I love most about TMNT I was able to see on a weekly basis

*Andrew NDB* · 06-04-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Buslady

I consider TMNT1 it's own cos they're totally different than in 2,3 but I can see it attatched to 4.

but my 'verse is tmnt1. they're the ONLY mutants. Thats the way it should be. More mutants make them look less unique and loses the coolness of mutant turtles.

I've always held this belief. That they might run into an oddity here and there is one thing, but on the whole, the weirdest thing in a good Turtles story should more or less be the TMNT themselves.

To ask an audience/readership to swallow four, well... teenaged mutant ninja turtles to begin with is a big leap of faith as it is. Some would say by this point, you might as well just open the floodgates for other mutants, monsters, whatnot, but I prefer to see the line drawn pretty close to home.

*Sage Ninja* · 06-09-2007, 10:52 PM

I'll have to go with the classic cartoon.

And regardless of what other people may say it had its emotional and dramatic moments as well, and I rather enjoyed the turtles character portrayals there as well.

Although I am a sucker for indepth character interaction. And I just love the complex relationships the turtles have for with one another in the New Toon. And the sweet "we only have each other" dynamic that strengthens their family bond that is played up in the New toon.

*Magdolin* · 06-11-2007, 08:53 PM

I Love the movies!^^ And the 2k3 series.

*Ecto Jedi* · 06-11-2007, 10:41 PM

Again, I'd have to go with the films -- TMNT 1 and 4 being the highlights. Secret of the Ooze works on a stupendous "look-at-how-big-we've-gotten" pop-cultural plane, but it's not as good a film as the original was.

Juniorx · 06-12-2007, 01:42 AM

me Mirage,2k3,the 1st movie more.

sorry forgot to put.i still like the ot but not as more then 2k3,mirage,1st movie cause they are more true to the orignal comic book.

*triplexxx* · 06-12-2007, 02:24 AM

I like OT, NT, and all the movies; however faithful or unfaithful each of these 6 are to the comics is unimportant to me.

Blithe · 06-12-2007, 01:48 PM

The movies are fun and I've enjoyed what I've seen of the NT. With TMNT having fans from a relatively broad age group, they've done well striking a balance between overly-cartoony and overly dark.

But my first love will always be the Mirage comics. They are the only comics that ever appealed to me and that still stands. I didn't expect to be so sucked into the characters or storylines. They range from dark to flippant to almost poetic. Raph can be philosophical, Leo can be light-hearted, Don can be ferocious and Mikey artistic. Geez, I even loved them when they were in black and white! Mirage has also never seemed too concerned about crafting characters who were clearly "good" or "bad". After all, whether turtle or rat or ninja or mutant, everyone is only human.

I had a friend who collected the Archie series and at the time ('bout 14 years ago) they were a little too "cartoony" for me. One thing I liked about Mirage (and I know it's changed since) was that the turtles really were the only four of their kind. Their earthly interaction with other mutants/aliens was fairly limited. That aspect - even when it wasn't the focal point of a particular story - was always there adding an undercurrent of somberness and yes, poetry to the turtles situation. The barrage of mutants that appeared in Archie went against what I was looking for at the time. I remember thinking, "Raph is dating a fox? How do they kiss? Does he even have lips?"

I'll admit, Archie's series is thought provoking!

I know a lot of people here are big fans of the Archie comics and that's given me new motivation to check them out. Where's the harm in getting to know another TMNT universe a little better?

Meanwhile, I'm left struggling with the mechanics of Mikey dating a dinosaur. The turtles seem to gravitate towards women with prolonged snouts. Hey, there's someone for everyone, right?

View Poll Results: What is your favorite TMNT universe?
Mirage Comics Universe (+ or - Image Vol. 3, up to you)	9	17.31%
Original Cartoon Universe (Fred Wolf)	14	26.92%
Current Cartoon Universe (4Kids, also up to and including Fast Forward)	13	25.00%
Movie Universe (I lump NT:TNM in here + the 4th movie, as both continue 1-3)	10	19.23%
Archie Comics Universe (the "TMNT Adventures" series and its spinoffs/specials)	6	11.54%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

06-04-2007, 01:44 PM	#50
TheAnimatedSeries Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 158	The movie universe is the perfect balance for the Turtles. __________________ ...but thats just one black mans opinion. Whats yours? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III is better than SOTO and the 2007 movie. You would know that if you were a gangster.

06-04-2007, 05:28 PM	#52
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	I consider TMNT1 it's own cos they're totally different than in 2,3 but I can see it attatched to 4. but my 'verse is tmnt1. they're the ONLY mutants. Thats the way it should be. More mutants make them look less unique and loses the coolness of mutant turtles. __________________

06-04-2007, 08:25 PM	#53
Time Mistress Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennshellvania, or the 79th level of Null-Time Posts: 710	It's kind of nice to see such variety in everyone's favorites. To do what Googasnatch did: OT - my gateway drug too, from the very first ep no less, lucky me Archie - came around at the same time as OT, one of my gateway drugs into comic collecting itself Movies - (1 & 4 especially) 1 cemented my love for the franchise for life probably by squeezing everything I love most about TMNT into an 1 1/2 hours Mirage - It was great to see the source material for the whole franchise and opened up a whole new level of TMNT for me 2k3 - The road back that revived my dormant TMNT love, basically everything I love most about TMNT I was able to see on a weekly basis __________________ AKA the Edwardian Adventuress and Fairlady_Z "You just made your last mistake, Bugeyes -- 'cuz nobody beats up my best buddy and gets away with it -- Nobody! Got that?!" Raphael about Michaelangelo, TMNT Volume 1

06-09-2007, 10:52 PM	#55
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,926	I'll have to go with the classic cartoon. And regardless of what other people may say it had its emotional and dramatic moments as well, and I rather enjoyed the turtles character portrayals there as well. Although I am a sucker for indepth character interaction. And I just love the complex relationships the turtles have for with one another in the New Toon. And the sweet "we only have each other" dynamic that strengthens their family bond that is played up in the New toon. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

06-02-2007, 02:52 AM	#41
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890	You're right, Andrew. This question is not fair. Let me see... OT - The gateway drug. My gateway drug. I recently have gotten a renewed appreciation for it through the DVDs. NT - I have only seen bits and pieces due to when it was on and me not owning a VCR until Fast Forward started. I have a feeling this will be near the top once more season sets have come out. Movies - This may be my favorite. I'm not sure. I love 1, 2, and TMNT. I never have the urge to watch 3 and NT:TNM, though. The only thing that makes this better than the new toon right now is that there's so much nolstalgia for TMNT 1 and how TMNT 1 is a really good adaption of the source material. Archie - I've had so little exposure to this book. I've read a few really great three-part arcs but I was never able to keep up with it. Mirage - I like Mirage. I like Tales the best. I also like Image but I would've liked it more if it had a definite ending to it. This is so hard. All of the universes, even the ones that are close to the source material, are still so diverse! I can't just narrow it down to one.

06-02-2007, 04:01 AM	#42
jenna Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,190	I voted movie universe but want to put this caveat in: I do not favour film 3 or next mutation (cos I've never seen it) within this. But I love film 1 and the new film, and enjoy film 2.

06-02-2007, 08:45 AM	#43
The Terror of Death Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 736	2k3 beats all. The action/fighting is some of the greatest in cartoon history.

06-02-2007, 04:29 PM	#46
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890	It wasn't just the costumes. It was also a lot of the lines. TMNT 2 was pretty silly, but I think TMNT 3 took it a bit far for the movie universe.

06-02-2007, 05:45 PM	#47
Bad Guys Lover Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 268	OT forever!

06-03-2007, 12:39 PM	#48
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	I have no problem whatsoever with the third movie. But I just want to pretend that TNM never existed. And if Peter Laird thinks it's apocryphal- even better.

06-11-2007, 08:53 PM	#56
Magdolin Professional Dork Join Date: May 2005 Location: Society of Midnight Ninjas. Posts: 1,970	I Love the movies!^^ And the 2k3 series.

06-11-2007, 10:41 PM	#57
Ecto Jedi Denki Wo Kitte Kudasai Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,439	Again, I'd have to go with the films -- TMNT 1 and 4 being the highlights. Secret of the Ooze works on a stupendous "look-at-how-big-we've-gotten" pop-cultural plane, but it's not as good a film as the original was.

06-12-2007, 01:42 AM	#58
Juniorx Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sewer Posts: 110	me Mirage,2k3,the 1st movie more. sorry forgot to put.i still like the ot but not as more then 2k3,mirage,1st movie cause they are more true to the orignal comic book. __________________ Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 4ever!!

06-12-2007, 02:24 AM	#59
triplexxx Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,816	I like OT, NT, and all the movies; however faithful or unfaithful each of these 6 are to the comics is unimportant to me. __________________ Please don't shoot me Mr. Big Mike. I'm too young and good-looking to die, well too young. I got a father, I got a mother, I got a grandmother, I got a little sister...and a little brother this high (raises hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand) and then I got a great big brother this high (slaps gun and runs). "Fright Night" - Three Stooges

06-12-2007, 01:48 PM	#60
Blithe Thug Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 95	The movies are fun and I've enjoyed what I've seen of the NT. With TMNT having fans from a relatively broad age group, they've done well striking a balance between overly-cartoony and overly dark. But my first love will always be the Mirage comics. They are the only comics that ever appealed to me and that still stands. I didn't expect to be so sucked into the characters or storylines. They range from dark to flippant to almost poetic. Raph can be philosophical, Leo can be light-hearted, Don can be ferocious and Mikey artistic. Geez, I even loved them when they were in black and white! Mirage has also never seemed too concerned about crafting characters who were clearly "good" or "bad". After all, whether turtle or rat or ninja or mutant, everyone is only human. I had a friend who collected the Archie series and at the time ('bout 14 years ago) they were a little too "cartoony" for me. One thing I liked about Mirage (and I know it's changed since) was that the turtles really were the only four of their kind. Their earthly interaction with other mutants/aliens was fairly limited. That aspect - even when it wasn't the focal point of a particular story - was always there adding an undercurrent of somberness and yes, poetry to the turtles situation. The barrage of mutants that appeared in Archie went against what I was looking for at the time. I remember thinking, "Raph is dating a fox? How do they kiss? Does he even have lips?" I'll admit, Archie's series is thought provoking! I know a lot of people here are big fans of the Archie comics and that's given me new motivation to check them out. Where's the harm in getting to know another TMNT universe a little better? Meanwhile, I'm left struggling with the mechanics of Mikey dating a dinosaur. The turtles seem to gravitate towards women with prolonged snouts. Hey, there's someone for everyone, right?