Raph on his own

*Coola Yagami* · 08-12-2007, 07:56 AM

We all know Raph is the careless hothead of the group. While Leo and Don preffer to plan and study the situation first, Raph preffers to rush right in headfirst and get himself and the others in trouble.

Question is, does Raph act this careless when he's in a solo story? It seems to me in the 2k3 show at least, he's more careful tactful and plans ahead a bit more when he's on his own, than when he's with the others and under Leo's orders. Even in Secret of the Ooze, for that scene of trying to sneak into the Foot hideout, Raph seemed to be the more careful one compared to the more overanxious Keno.

Has there ever been a comic or story of Raph by himself where his own temper caused him to screw up and get himself or Casey, Shadow or whoever's with him in trouble?

*Raph* · 08-12-2007, 08:38 AM

Well he got himself in trouble in Secret of the Ooze. I mean he goes out with Keno and ends up being captured by Shredder.

*Scandia* · 08-12-2007, 09:16 AM

I think that situations where he is on his own bring out the judicious aspect of him. I honestly don't think Raph is quite as impulsive as Mikey. Without Leo or Donnie to make plans, Raph has to become more self-reliant and use analytical faculties he usually does not rely on.

*triplexxx* · 08-12-2007, 10:59 AM

Those eps he's on his own, like Lone Raph and Cub and Across the Universe, he seems to know well what he's doing when it comes to strategy and self-sufficiency.

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Well he got himself in trouble in Secret of the Ooze. I mean he goes out with Keno and ends up being captured by Shredder.

Well, at least he did his and his brothers' job of finding the ooze and Foot headquarters, while the others were taking too much time moving...he only stuck his neck out in getting captured in order to let Keno escape and find the others, whom he knew could come and save him, sometimes risks like that have to be taken. Kinda like when he got in that fight with Rynokk in The Big House, may seem hot-headed, but technically he's providing the others a distraction so they can swipe a key card, not his fault they failed.

*ToTheNines* · 08-12-2007, 08:49 PM

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Well, at least he did his and his brothers' job of finding the ooze and Foot headquarters, while the others were taking too much time moving...he only stuck his neck out in getting captured in order to let Keno escape and find the others, whom he knew could come and save him, sometimes risks like that have to be taken.

yea, and then the other guys found a new house like 5 seconds after he ran off... still a wise choice?

*triplexxx* · 08-12-2007, 08:54 PM

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yea, and then the other guys found a new house like 5 seconds after he ran off... still a wise choice?

They found the home, then it's a matter of taking the time to move their stuff into it...meanwhile, the longer they take, the more opportunities their giving the Foot to implement their plans with the ooze...it's a problem that needed immediate attention, Raphael gave it that.

MoreCowbell5263 · 08-12-2007, 08:55 PM

When Raph's with the group, he probably feels all the well thought-out strategies and back-up plans are left to Leo and Don and he can be as reckless as he wants and he knows Leo or Don will figure something out. When he's by himself or has no chance of telling his brothers where he is if something were to happen to him, he probably feels he has to plan because he's entirely on his own and can't depend on his brothers if something happens. I think the same can be said about Mikey or maybe even Don when by himself. Mikey would probably be a little less of a showoff and try to be more Leo-esque because he can't depend on them. Don, well, I don't think he'd change much, he'd probably use a lot of technology and whatnot.

*ToTheNines* · 08-12-2007, 08:59 PM

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They found the home, then it's a matter of taking the time to move their stuff into it...meanwhile, the longer they take, the more opportunities their giving the Foot to implement their plans with the ooze...it's a problem that needed immediate attention, Raphael gave it that.

He risked his life, if it weren't a PG movie Shredder would have killed him (but then that wouldn't happen in a TMNT movie, regardless of rating)

*triplexxx* · 08-12-2007, 09:03 PM

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He risked his life, if it weren't a PG movie Shredder would have killed him (but then that wouldn't happen in a TMNT movie, regardless of rating)

Taking risks are part of his and his brothers' jobs as ninjas. And no actually, Shredder wouldn't kill him, he'd still need him alive to use as bait to get the others, Shredder knows getting rid of one will do know good, he has to get them all. And Raphael knows the others can take care of themselves.

*ToTheNines* · 08-12-2007, 09:09 PM

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Taking risks are part of his and his brothers' jobs as ninjas. And no actually, Shredder wouldn't kill him, he'd still need him alive to use as bait to get the others, Shredder knows getting rid of one will do know good, he has to get them all. And Raphael knows the others can take care of themselves.

Nah, the turtles had to look for him either way, they had no idea whether he was alive or dead. Say they go to the junk yard, see Raph dead, get surrounded but they're minus one turtle. Shredder gets the upper hand by killing Raph.

*Sage Ninja* · 08-12-2007, 09:17 PM

I personaly think the turtles should have more solo attention than "team" attention. Because I feel to a degree that the whole team aspect is to structured and confining and that it some times limits the turtles from acting out to their full potenticial. I've noticed some of the most character driven plots in scenarios where one of the turtles are acting on their own with out the other turtles around to lean on, where they exibit more facets to their character and potenticial than when they are all working as a team and are stiflied by the hiarchy (spelling?) of the team.

Thats my opinion though. I know others will disagree with me.

*triplexxx* · 08-12-2007, 09:25 PM

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Nah, the turtles had to look for him either way, they had no idea whether he was alive or dead. Say they go to the junk yard, see Raph dead, get surrounded but they're minus one turtle. Shredder gets the upper hand by killing Raph.

Well, maybe so. But personally, if I kidnapped someone for a ransom or something, I wouldn't rid myself of the hostage before getting what I want, cause that could completely screw it up and would certainly lessen my chances of getting what I want. We'll just agree to disagree.

*ToTheNines* · 08-12-2007, 09:29 PM

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Well, maybe so. But personally, if I kidnapped someone for a ransom or something, I wouldn't rid myself of the hostage before getting what I want, cause that could completely screw it up. We'll just agree to disagree.

Nah man, I'm not done debating turtles with you

. Anyways, it wasn't ransom he expecting them to come because they knew he had Raph, and hoped that he was still alive.

*triplexxx* · 08-12-2007, 09:32 PM

Well, a ransom can be something besides money...in that case, his ransom was the other three turtles. And in the movies about this, the whole goal of the good guys is to get back the hostage without giving the criminal what he wants.

*Sage Ninja* · 08-12-2007, 09:38 PM

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Well, maybe so. But personally, if I kidnapped someone for a ransom or something, I wouldn't rid myself of the hostage before getting what I want, cause that could completely screw it up and would certainly lessen my chances of getting what I want. We'll just agree to disagree.

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Well, a ransom can be something besides money...in that case, his ransom was the other three turtles. And in the movies about this, the whole goal of the good guys is to get back the hostage without giving the criminal what he wants.

uhh. triplexxx, you sound like you have had some experience with kidnapping and hold hostages for ransome. What are you hiding?

*triplexxx* · 08-12-2007, 09:52 PM

Well, in fact, and this is why I've never posted my picture or disclosed info in my profile...

Spoiler:

I'm just aware of the concepts of kidnapping: the hostage is a witness and witnesses are a danger, but if you hurt the hostage or hide the hostage and never give the family any notification he's alive, it makes the family of the kidnapped suspect that you won't keep your promise to return him/her after you get your demands filled, and the family might just find some way to track you down, or threaten you by putting a price on your head...Remember the movie Ransom? A kidnapping does you no good if you don't get your profit. That's why I believe Shredder decided to keep Raphael alive.

And about what I've been saying ToTheNines, Raphael's plan worked, right? They discovered the foot's headquarters, where the ooze was, and the two creations Shredder had up his sleave, and then escaped scot-free. So I think Raphael's strategy paid off.

*odupianist* · 08-13-2007, 08:14 AM

Guys guys you're all forgetting one classic element. The classic "bad guy holding hostage thinking he'll succeed but will ultimately fail when the support arrives" scene. We've seen it all before. Quite simple really.

08-12-2007, 07:56 AM	#1
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,655	Raph on his own We all know Raph is the careless hothead of the group. While Leo and Don preffer to plan and study the situation first, Raph preffers to rush right in headfirst and get himself and the others in trouble. Question is, does Raph act this careless when he's in a solo story? It seems to me in the 2k3 show at least, he's more careful tactful and plans ahead a bit more when he's on his own, than when he's with the others and under Leo's orders. Even in Secret of the Ooze, for that scene of trying to sneak into the Foot hideout, Raph seemed to be the more careful one compared to the more overanxious Keno. Has there ever been a comic or story of Raph by himself where his own temper caused him to screw up and get himself or Casey, Shadow or whoever's with him in trouble?

08-12-2007, 08:38 AM	#2
Raph Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Netherlands, Rotterdam Posts: 1,888	Well he got himself in trouble in Secret of the Ooze. I mean he goes out with Keno and ends up being captured by Shredder. __________________

08-12-2007, 09:16 AM	#3
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	I think that situations where he is on his own bring out the judicious aspect of him. I honestly don't think Raph is quite as impulsive as Mikey. Without Leo or Donnie to make plans, Raph has to become more self-reliant and use analytical faculties he usually does not rely on. __________________ Turtles fight with honor!!!

08-12-2007, 08:55 PM	#7
MoreCowbell5263 Hench Mutant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 300	When Raph's with the group, he probably feels all the well thought-out strategies and back-up plans are left to Leo and Don and he can be as reckless as he wants and he knows Leo or Don will figure something out. When he's by himself or has no chance of telling his brothers where he is if something were to happen to him, he probably feels he has to plan because he's entirely on his own and can't depend on his brothers if something happens. I think the same can be said about Mikey or maybe even Don when by himself. Mikey would probably be a little less of a showoff and try to be more Leo-esque because he can't depend on them. Don, well, I don't think he'd change much, he'd probably use a lot of technology and whatnot. __________________ Hope these guys aren't lumberjacks! No joke...the only thing safe in the woods...would be the trees!

08-12-2007, 09:17 PM	#11
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,924	I personaly think the turtles should have more solo attention than "team" attention. Because I feel to a degree that the whole team aspect is to structured and confining and that it some times limits the turtles from acting out to their full potenticial. I've noticed some of the most character driven plots in scenarios where one of the turtles are acting on their own with out the other turtles around to lean on, where they exibit more facets to their character and potenticial than when they are all working as a team and are stiflied by the hiarchy (spelling?) of the team. Thats my opinion though. I know others will disagree with me. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

08-12-2007, 09:32 PM	#14
triplexxx Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,809	Well, a ransom can be something besides money...in that case, his ransom was the other three turtles. And in the movies about this, the whole goal of the good guys is to get back the hostage without giving the criminal what he wants. __________________ Please don't shoot me Mr. Big Mike. I'm too young and good-looking to die, well too young. I got a father, I got a mother, I got a grandmother, I got a little sister...and a little brother this high (raises hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand) and then I got a great big brother this high (slaps gun and runs). "Fright Night" - Three Stooges

08-12-2007, 09:52 PM	#16
triplexxx Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,809	Well, in fact, and this is why I've never posted my picture or disclosed info in my profile... Spoiler: I'm a professional contract killer. Dun-dun-dun. PSYCHE. just kiddin. I'm just aware of the concepts of kidnapping: the hostage is a witness and witnesses are a danger, but if you hurt the hostage or hide the hostage and never give the family any notification he's alive, it makes the family of the kidnapped suspect that you won't keep your promise to return him/her after you get your demands filled, and the family might just find some way to track you down, or threaten you by putting a price on your head...Remember the movie Ransom? A kidnapping does you no good if you don't get your profit. That's why I believe Shredder decided to keep Raphael alive. And about what I've been saying ToTheNines, Raphael's plan worked, right? They discovered the foot's headquarters, where the ooze was, and the two creations Shredder had up his sleave, and then escaped scot-free. So I think Raphael's strategy paid off. __________________ Please don't shoot me Mr. Big Mike. I'm too young and good-looking to die, well too young. I got a father, I got a mother, I got a grandmother, I got a little sister...and a little brother this high (raises hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand) and then I got a great big brother this high (slaps gun and runs). "Fright Night" - Three Stooges Last edited by triplexxx; 08-13-2007 at 01:22 AM.

08-13-2007, 08:14 AM	#17
odupianist Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,744	Guys guys you're all forgetting one classic element. The classic "bad guy holding hostage thinking he'll succeed but will ultimately fail when the support arrives" scene. We've seen it all before. Quite simple really.