Winx Club - Page 2

**ThirdMarioBro** · 09-08-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

4Kids has absolutly NOTHING to do with this film. The film was done by Rainbow S.P.A, the Italian company that created Winx Club and it's distributed by Tristar.

You win the thread.

Now, when 4Kids lost Pokemon, it was a very happy moment for me. Pokemon games are awesome, but that TV show needed to rot in hell. Same goes with that Kirby cartoon. It ruined the franchise. Nintendo partnered with gutter filth to make a buck during the played out GameCube era. Fortunately, Smash Bros. is here to undo all of 4Kids damage to the character's public persona.

*Drtooth* · 09-08-2007, 08:17 PM

I actually loved the Kirby cartoon. Plus, oddly enough this was the only time I liked a 4Kid's theme song better than the Japanese one (Kirby, you are the tamborine of rainbows? Doesn't do it for me... sorry).

**GK Punk** · 09-08-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

It may not be popular in the U.S but it's extremely popular in Italy (where the stage musical has been playing for several years).

And other various countries. Winx is HUGE outside of the US. At one point, it was even getting the highest ratings on 4Kids TV's saturday block here in the states.

And the Italian musical is the best of them

*Drtooth* · 09-09-2007, 08:57 AM

So is this thing going to be released in the US? Cuz if it isn't, I'll Shutty uppy

**GK Punk** · 09-09-2007, 09:05 AM

No idea, it hasn't been announced for a US release yet. Just European countries so far. Going off of the Trailer, the voice cast for the english adaption sounds like the "UK" cast, not the US cast.

Time Mistress · 09-09-2007, 02:18 PM

Winx is okay. Few cartoons are ever aimed specifically at girls it seems, and when they do it's usually crap like Bratz, so even though Winx could be a lot better, it gets point for at least being watchable and trying.

Though I have to wonder, I don't think it's any coincidence that both this and the Tinkerbell/Disney Fairies movies are both coming out in December, I smell some competition brewing.

Speaking of Disney ,for those who have watched it, how does Winx compare to Disney's Witch in your eyes? Which is better?

**GK Punk** · 09-09-2007, 11:52 PM

I watch both, and like both. W.i.t.c.h. is a better show over all IMO. I'm not sure why it flopped so hard over here. W.i.t.c.h. seems a little more aimed at all genders and all ages, as where Winx seems more aimed at girls specifically.

I thought it was funny though, during the time that Winx was a hit here, and the dolls were the number 2 selling doll in the states (Bratz was best selling.) about a year and a half in to that, Disney Launched their Fairies line. Winx really made the fairy gimmick a big thing again. I am surprised that Disney hasn't launched a Disney Fairies animated series yet though.

*Drtooth* · 09-10-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

No idea, it hasn't been announced for a US release yet. Just European countries so far. Going off of the Trailer, the voice cast for the english adaption sounds like the "UK" cast, not the US cast.

Okay! 4Kids does have nothing to do with it. That's a relief. If it's in Europe, I'm all set with it! It's as far away from me as possible. I can sleep well tonight!

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Winx is okay. Few cartoons are ever aimed specifically at girls it seems, and when they do it's usually crap like Bratz, so even though Winx could be a lot better, it gets point for at least being watchable and trying.

I have a problem with shows aimed at girls. Not too many of them are anything besides Strawberry Shortcake knockoffs. To me, Winx borrowed HEAVILY from Sailor Moon. But I will say this, Sailor Moon is actually enjoyable. The one girl's specific show I liked was Pepper Ann. It was very well written, better than any of Disney's tweenage sitcoms. And boys could like it to. i'm all for abolishing the Girl/Boy gender roll cartoons.

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Though I have to wonder, I don't think it's any coincidence that both this and the Tinkerbell/Disney Fairies movies are both coming out in December, I smell some competition brewing.

I thought that John Lassiter was going to put a stop to it. He said it was "Unwatchable." After all, isn't he in charge of the animation department now?

**GK Punk** · 09-10-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

Okay! 4Kids does have nothing to do with it. That's a relief. If it's in Europe, I'm all set with it! It's as far away from me as possible. I can sleep well tonight!

Well, even if it does get released here, you wouldn't be forced to go see it or rent it, so you could still stay far away from it

I just never understood hating something, just because you don't like it. it seems a lot of people that don't like Winx want to ruin it for others as well.

*Drtooth* · 09-10-2007, 11:10 AM

A lot of people that don't like what I like constantly ruin stuff for me. it's not new.

I bet you could find this online or if you want to go a different route, you could buy the DVD online and get a region killer thingy for your computer.

So I appologize. Enjoy the movie.

Time Mistress · 09-10-2007, 11:53 AM

I'd love it see a Disney Fairies series. I've always loved Tinkerbell and have read a few of the kids chapter books for the Disney Fairies series and they are quite good. Done properly, it could be a great cartoon.

As for the Tinkerbell movie, while Disney has finally decided to put a stop to their "cheapquels" a few were too far into production to stop, Tinkerbell the movie being one of them. I heard it will be pretty bad too, but it is Tink, so I kinda hope they are wrong. I'll watch it and judge it on its own merits if it has any.

I really do believe that cartoons that don't promote gender roles are the way to go too, Dr. Tooth. I mean, look at how many girl fans there are of TMNT, like me, and it's a so-called "boys" cartoon. But I also think that if you look at the new fall line up of cartoons, too many of them feature a boy hero which automatically brings to mind the label of "boys cartoon." Doesn't mean girls won't watch them, but I wonder why we don't have more "strong girl" cartoons around like Sailor Moon or Jem and too many like Strawberry Shortcake as you said. We could do with a few more Kim Possibles or Juniper Lees is all. And I always liked Pepper Ann too.

**GK Punk** · 09-10-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

A lot of people that don't like what I like constantly ruin stuff for me. it's not new.

I bet you could find this online or if you want to go a different route, you could buy the DVD online and get a region killer thingy for your computer.

So I appologize. Enjoy the movie.

Oh, no need to. I wasn't singling you out, just that mentality in general I don't understand.

That's what I'll end up doing. I have a TV That has a PAL setting, and a DVD player that is open region. I'm all sorts of ready.

I'd love to find the Italian Musical DVD one of these days.

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I really do believe that cartoons that don't promote gender roles are the way to go too, Dr. Tooth. I mean, look at how many girl fans there are of TMNT, like me, and it's a so-called "boys" cartoon.

Yeah, She-Ra and Sailor Moon have similar fan bases. I know that there is a lot of boys in Italy in to Winx Club though. I actually think (at least in my opinion) 4Kids extra-girlied out Winx for the US. The Rainbow SRL version is a bit different. (Comparable to how Sailor Moon was edited for America.)

I always say though, you shouldn't let gender decide EVERYTHING for you. If you like something, go for it. I mean, one half off my Room is covered in GI Joe, the other Half Winx toys.

*Drtooth* · 09-10-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Time Mistress

I'd love it see a Disney Fairies series. I've always loved Tinkerbell and have read a few of the kids chapter books for the Disney Fairies series and they are quite good. Done properly, it could be a great cartoon.

As for the Tinkerbell movie, while Disney has finally decided to put a stop to their "cheapquels" a few were too far into production to stop, Tinkerbell the movie being one of them. I heard it will be pretty bad too, but it is Tink, so I kinda hope they are wrong. I'll watch it and judge it on its own merits if it has any.

It could be if done properly... but it probably wouldn't. I can just see it being a very girly cheaply made product. Like their sitcom line up... yuckka!

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I really do believe that cartoons that don't promote gender roles are the way to go too, Dr. Tooth. I mean, look at how many girl fans there are of TMNT, like me, and it's a so-called "boys" cartoon. But I also think that if you look at the new fall line up of cartoons, too many of them feature a boy hero which automatically brings to mind the label of "boys cartoon." Doesn't mean girls won't watch them, but I wonder why we don't have more "strong girl" cartoons around like Sailor Moon or Jem and too many like Strawberry Shortcake as you said. We could do with a few more Kim Possibles or Juniper Lees is all. And I always liked Pepper Ann too.

Here's something I've been saying for years. it's hypocritical to have strong female leads in a boy demographic cartoon, and horrible, weak, let's look pretty types as stars in grils cartoons. look at Bratz. Yuck! Not only are they lying around looking pretty, they pretty much set women back to preSusan B Anthony days, and look like terrible sluts doing it. The Barbie dolls try to make it look like women can be anything, and yet Bratz oversell them.

There are boys shows with bad girl characters shoved in for no good reason (we are TMNT fans... we know exactly who I'm talking about.... and it ain't April.) But then they do something wonderful, like X-men or something. Strong women like Storm, Rogue, Jean Grey. We need more role models like them. plus women like that make better characters anyway.

**GK Punk** · 09-10-2007, 01:11 PM

See, that's what I hated about Winx Club. I saw it once when it debuted and I assumed that's what the characters were like. After giving it a chance I learned the girls are A LOT stronger than it looks like on the Surface. The story has pretty much revolved around showing how much Growth Bloom has done as a person.

The first season begins with her thinking she's a normal every day girl, then discovering she has powers. The first half of the season was the other girls helping her out, as her powers seemed weak. Eventually she learned the full potential of her abilities and is pretty much a one man wrecking machine.

By season 3, she's very strong willed and isn't scared in the slightest of facing her enemies, or the unknown. She just jumps in head first like a real hero. Even on her own.

And then there's Layla. She's such a strong character a lot of fans joke she's a lesbian. She's also the only character that doesn't have a boyfriend, as she believes it's not necessary to be happy.

*gobo* · 09-11-2007, 04:14 AM

Well, I have seen Winx a number of times because I was too lazy to change the channel, but it's not for me. It bores me and the animation looks like they tried to cut corners by having about 15 frames per second. I wouldn't ridicule anyone for watching it though.

Plus, if Michi calls me up this December, and says, "Hey, gobo. Wanna hop a plane with me to Italy for the premiere of the Winx movie?", I'd be there... mostly because I'd be scared to tell him "no".

What I've always wondered is why people always assume that anything with a team of magical girls is a Sailor Moon clone. While Sailormoon might have been the ground-breaking and definitive 'magical girl' series, I assume it was hardly the first.

And, if Winx was girlied-up for the US, I think that's the exact opposite of what they did with Sailor Moon. Have you ever heard the original Japanese music cues for that show? The Canadian music is what turned it from a "Jem & The Holograms" type glam/drama into a "Powerpuff Girls" type action/adventure.

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

look at Bratz. Yuck! Not only are they lying around looking pretty

Those things are supposed to be pretty? They look like the daughters of cheap prostitutes. I had no idea they were supposed to be less than tacky...

**GK Punk** · 09-11-2007, 05:04 AM

Actually, I've seen the entire Japanese series of Sailor Moon, as well as the English adaption(s.) That show couldn't possibly get more girl'd up than it already was.

But what I meant was the episodes were edited in a way similar to the US edit of Sailor Moon. Such as a scene was removed in an Ep of Sailor Moon when Rei slapped Usagi to get her to snap out of depression. A scene was removed from US Winx Club where Musa gets fed up with Stormy, and slaps her hard across the face.

Other cases of that would also include complete re-writes, as well as episodes Jumble. The Italian version features an episode in Season 2 that re-starts the Musa/Stormy rivalry. The episode before it has a brief scene that shows Stormy and Musa having a bit of a Run in with eachother. The next episode expanded on it including them battling.

The US Version edited that all in to one episode, removing the build up to the confrontation. Another would be an Episode where Stella (<3) is bitchy to everyone for no reason. She was in a bad mood the entire episode and took it out on everyone. The US Version changed the dialogue to say "Stella upset some seniors so they spelled her."

Sailor Moon went through a good number of similar changes.

I Know mah Sailor Moon

Been a fan even before the DiC dub was made.

It's part of why I like Winx. it kind of gives me a nostalgia for watching Sailor Moon in some ways.

As for the Sailor Moon knock off comparison, I'd say it's inspired, but not a knock off. The Magical Girl genre pre-dates sailor moon by almost 30 years. Sailor Moon was modeled after a combination of Magical Girl anime, and Sentai. (Piece of Trivia for you; Naoko Takeuchi designed it with hopes of a live action drama TV series. Which is why the Sailor Moon revival of 2003 was Live action.) Iginio Straffi very well could have based Winx's transformation idea off of several shows.

On top of that, the only real comparison is the Transformation bit. Sailor Moon was more of a hero-in-the-real-world kind of deal. They concealed their identities. Alfea studends in Winx have no secret Identities. They use their magic to grow their wings, and every girl that attends Alfea can do it. (As the show rarely takes place on earth.)

Besides. The Specialists > Tuxedo Kamen.

Oh yeah, I forgot one of the points. When people ask me what Winx Club is like, i compare it to Harry Potter with Fairies. That's basically what the show is.

*Drtooth* · 09-11-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

Besides. The Specialists > Tuxedo Kamen..

Yeah, but Tuxedo Kamen< Action Kamen.... I just wanted to be weird.

I just don't like it for multiple reasons. I do think 4Kids girlyed it by putting the "Don't touch the hair" line in the song.

But an underrated series made by this Italian firm? Funky Cops. I hate to admit it, but 4Kids did a quality dub for this one. It was so smooth I thought it was an inhouse production (plus the artwork kinda looked like TMNT). If they dubbed the rest of their shows as good as they did with Funky Cops, no one would hate them as much. Too bad it last 4 episodes cuz the target audience was too young to get the satire of it all.

**GK Punk** · 09-11-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

Yeah, but Tuxedo Kamen< Action Kamen.... I just wanted to be weird.

I just don't like it for multiple reasons. I do think 4Kids girlyed it by putting the "Don't touch the hair" line in the song.

Oh god. I hate the US theme. The music in the Italian one is generally better overall. The Transform music is pure win.

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

But an underrated series made by this Italian firm? Funky Cops. I hate to admit it, but 4Kids did a quality dub for this one. It was so smooth I thought it was an inhouse production (plus the artwork kinda looked like TMNT). If they dubbed the rest of their shows as good as they did with Funky Cops, no one would hate them as much. Too bad it last 4 episodes cuz the target audience was too young to get the satire of it all.

I actually forgot completely about that show. I need to watch it again, I barely remember it.

*Drtooth* · 09-11-2007, 01:05 PM

Well, the original music is usually better than the American dub stuff... though I can't lie. I did like the US Kirby theme better than both Japanese ones (I love the second JP ending though).

Anyway, I loved Funky Cops, myself. The first episode where the villain was Paul Williams. Funny, bizzare stuff. Though I think the "End of Disco" episode was pretty campy for the show to do. I was pretty disappointed that out of 40 something episodes, they barely showed 10.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-12-2007, 01:22 PM

I am saddened to see Winx Club go. I really enjoyed it and thought it was awesome. This is the second show on 4Kids that has been pulled. Shaman King was pulled also, and I liked that one a lot, too. Oh, well. Now I just won't have to get up at seven on Saturday mornings after Winx ends, unless they show reruns. I did miss one ep.

09-08-2007, 08:17 PM	#22
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	I actually loved the Kirby cartoon. Plus, oddly enough this was the only time I liked a 4Kid's theme song better than the Japanese one (Kirby, you are the tamborine of rainbows? Doesn't do it for me... sorry). __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

09-09-2007, 08:57 AM	#24
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	So is this thing going to be released in the US? Cuz if it isn't, I'll Shutty uppy __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

09-09-2007, 02:18 PM	#26
Time Mistress Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennshellvania, or the 79th level of Null-Time Posts: 710	Winx is okay. Few cartoons are ever aimed specifically at girls it seems, and when they do it's usually crap like Bratz, so even though Winx could be a lot better, it gets point for at least being watchable and trying. Though I have to wonder, I don't think it's any coincidence that both this and the Tinkerbell/Disney Fairies movies are both coming out in December, I smell some competition brewing. Speaking of Disney ,for those who have watched it, how does Winx compare to Disney's Witch in your eyes? Which is better? __________________ AKA the Edwardian Adventuress and Fairlady_Z "You just made your last mistake, Bugeyes -- 'cuz nobody beats up my best buddy and gets away with it -- Nobody! Got that?!" Raphael about Michaelangelo, TMNT Volume 1

09-10-2007, 11:10 AM	#30
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	A lot of people that don't like what I like constantly ruin stuff for me. it's not new. I bet you could find this online or if you want to go a different route, you could buy the DVD online and get a region killer thingy for your computer. So I appologize. Enjoy the movie. __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

09-10-2007, 11:53 AM	#31
Time Mistress Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennshellvania, or the 79th level of Null-Time Posts: 710	I'd love it see a Disney Fairies series. I've always loved Tinkerbell and have read a few of the kids chapter books for the Disney Fairies series and they are quite good. Done properly, it could be a great cartoon. As for the Tinkerbell movie, while Disney has finally decided to put a stop to their "cheapquels" a few were too far into production to stop, Tinkerbell the movie being one of them. I heard it will be pretty bad too, but it is Tink, so I kinda hope they are wrong. I'll watch it and judge it on its own merits if it has any. I really do believe that cartoons that don't promote gender roles are the way to go too, Dr. Tooth. I mean, look at how many girl fans there are of TMNT, like me, and it's a so-called "boys" cartoon. But I also think that if you look at the new fall line up of cartoons, too many of them feature a boy hero which automatically brings to mind the label of "boys cartoon." Doesn't mean girls won't watch them, but I wonder why we don't have more "strong girl" cartoons around like Sailor Moon or Jem and too many like Strawberry Shortcake as you said. We could do with a few more Kim Possibles or Juniper Lees is all. And I always liked Pepper Ann too. __________________ AKA the Edwardian Adventuress and Fairlady_Z "You just made your last mistake, Bugeyes -- 'cuz nobody beats up my best buddy and gets away with it -- Nobody! Got that?!" Raphael about Michaelangelo, TMNT Volume 1

09-09-2007, 09:05 AM	#25
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	No idea, it hasn't been announced for a US release yet. Just European countries so far. Going off of the Trailer, the voice cast for the english adaption sounds like the "UK" cast, not the US cast.

09-09-2007, 11:52 PM	#27
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	I watch both, and like both. W.i.t.c.h. is a better show over all IMO. I'm not sure why it flopped so hard over here. W.i.t.c.h. seems a little more aimed at all genders and all ages, as where Winx seems more aimed at girls specifically. I thought it was funny though, during the time that Winx was a hit here, and the dolls were the number 2 selling doll in the states (Bratz was best selling.) about a year and a half in to that, Disney Launched their Fairies line. Winx really made the fairy gimmick a big thing again. I am surprised that Disney hasn't launched a Disney Fairies animated series yet though.

09-10-2007, 01:11 PM	#34
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	See, that's what I hated about Winx Club. I saw it once when it debuted and I assumed that's what the characters were like. After giving it a chance I learned the girls are A LOT stronger than it looks like on the Surface. The story has pretty much revolved around showing how much Growth Bloom has done as a person. The first season begins with her thinking she's a normal every day girl, then discovering she has powers. The first half of the season was the other girls helping her out, as her powers seemed weak. Eventually she learned the full potential of her abilities and is pretty much a one man wrecking machine. By season 3, she's very strong willed and isn't scared in the slightest of facing her enemies, or the unknown. She just jumps in head first like a real hero. Even on her own. And then there's Layla. She's such a strong character a lot of fans joke she's a lesbian. She's also the only character that doesn't have a boyfriend, as she believes it's not necessary to be happy.

09-11-2007, 05:04 AM	#36
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Actually, I've seen the entire Japanese series of Sailor Moon, as well as the English adaption(s.) That show couldn't possibly get more girl'd up than it already was. But what I meant was the episodes were edited in a way similar to the US edit of Sailor Moon. Such as a scene was removed in an Ep of Sailor Moon when Rei slapped Usagi to get her to snap out of depression. A scene was removed from US Winx Club where Musa gets fed up with Stormy, and slaps her hard across the face. Other cases of that would also include complete re-writes, as well as episodes Jumble. The Italian version features an episode in Season 2 that re-starts the Musa/Stormy rivalry. The episode before it has a brief scene that shows Stormy and Musa having a bit of a Run in with eachother. The next episode expanded on it including them battling. The US Version edited that all in to one episode, removing the build up to the confrontation. Another would be an Episode where Stella (<3) is bitchy to everyone for no reason. She was in a bad mood the entire episode and took it out on everyone. The US Version changed the dialogue to say "Stella upset some seniors so they spelled her." Sailor Moon went through a good number of similar changes. I Know mah Sailor Moon Been a fan even before the DiC dub was made. It's part of why I like Winx. it kind of gives me a nostalgia for watching Sailor Moon in some ways. As for the Sailor Moon knock off comparison, I'd say it's inspired, but not a knock off. The Magical Girl genre pre-dates sailor moon by almost 30 years. Sailor Moon was modeled after a combination of Magical Girl anime, and Sentai. (Piece of Trivia for you; Naoko Takeuchi designed it with hopes of a live action drama TV series. Which is why the Sailor Moon revival of 2003 was Live action.) Iginio Straffi very well could have based Winx's transformation idea off of several shows. On top of that, the only real comparison is the Transformation bit. Sailor Moon was more of a hero-in-the-real-world kind of deal. They concealed their identities. Alfea studends in Winx have no secret Identities. They use their magic to grow their wings, and every girl that attends Alfea can do it. (As the show rarely takes place on earth.) Besides. The Specialists > Tuxedo Kamen. Oh yeah, I forgot one of the points. When people ask me what Winx Club is like, i compare it to Harry Potter with Fairies. That's basically what the show is.

09-11-2007, 01:05 PM	#39
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	Well, the original music is usually better than the American dub stuff... though I can't lie. I did like the US Kirby theme better than both Japanese ones (I love the second JP ending though). Anyway, I loved Funky Cops, myself. The first episode where the villain was Paul Williams. Funny, bizzare stuff. Though I think the "End of Disco" episode was pretty campy for the show to do. I was pretty disappointed that out of 40 something episodes, they barely showed 10. __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

09-12-2007, 01:22 PM	#40
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I am saddened to see Winx Club go. I really enjoyed it and thought it was awesome. This is the second show on 4Kids that has been pulled. Shaman King was pulled also, and I liked that one a lot, too. Oh, well. Now I just won't have to get up at seven on Saturday mornings after Winx ends, unless they show reruns. I did miss one ep.