Cartoon Network To Be Rebranded?

*ZariusTwo* · 09-29-2007, 11:56 PM

This recent "CN Cancelation" scare has resulted in some curious inquiries, most notiably this answer from a Network insider.

"Steve, I've been here for a bunch of years now, and the first thing I heard when I arrived was that Time-Warner couldn't have two animation divisions, that we were going to merge with Warner Bros. Animation. We're still here. It's true that the division is being retooled and reworked. We haven't been doing well in the ratings, like we're a distant third after the Disney Channel and Nickelodeon. But we've got several different series going, Out of Jimmy's Head, Foster's , Chowder, Flapjack, Transformers, Ben 10 and some new series in development. But no question that we're going through changes..."
"...The new head of the division is doing analyses of what kinds of shows we'll be doing, seeing if we'll do more live action, since the Disney Channel is being real succesful with their live action shows and movies. But we're still in the cartoon business..."

Kamen Rider is already one of the Network's recent aqqusistions, and the live-action Ben 10 movie was probably another test of an audience for alternatives to animation. CN wont be shut down, but it more than likely is becoming a competitive Jetix-like channel.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 09-30-2007, 12:43 AM

I would care if I didn't think that all their shows "not" originating from Adult Swim suck like a Kirby vacuum cleaner. What will become of Adult Swim I wonder? I assume its ratings suck.

*ZariusTwo* · 09-30-2007, 01:23 AM

Adult Swim's content has blown wind for all except for ATHF, Home Movies, SP:C2C 12 Oz and Birdman...and several of those bar ONE are gone. It's really an overblown, overrated "mature" channel with dated, cliched reference humour, and dick and fart jokes with the same old political or industry stabs, nothing ironic or Lynchian

I still dont see why people love to jump on the "CN sucks" bandwagon. Half of their content is nothing close to Jetix's inconsistency, or the fact that Avatar is the only show worth watching on Nick. People more than likely dont even watch the shows there thrashing on a long-term basis

Dont get me wrong, I dont like Lazlo or Fosters myself, but the Network's best draws like Ben 10 and "Grim Adventures" are more than an equal to the older days of Cartoon Cartoons.

愛 · 09-30-2007, 08:45 AM

Is it bad that I love My Gym Partner's a Monkey? I dunno, I think it's hilarious.

*Drtooth* · 09-30-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ai

Is it bad that I love My Gym Partner's a Monkey? I dunno, I think it's hilarious.

YES!

This is yet another reason why I hate Warners... this bullcrap, and the Loonatics Unleashed debacle, and by constantly renewing Johnny Test. It's not so much a bad show, but the creator pretty much tried too hard to make it Fairly oddparents in it's first season (since he was a head writer of FOP before the show) and once it was dropped by Warners, and animated by Cookie Jar, it has become incredibly unwatchable.

Now, what they need to do is go out and look for CARTOONISTS to make new shows. They had success with cartoonist driven things up until now (From Dexter to Grim) and to glom onto Nick and Disney's consistently terrifyingly bad Home Alone style TV shows is just killing a brilliant idea.

There are no more cartoons on broadcast. Maybe Saturday mornings... and now there's just 2 channels airing stuff, and a lot of it is just pathetic. Other than Tom and Jerry and the Batman, there's no reason to even wake up. Ever actually see Skunk Fu? It makes Viva Pinata look good by comparison. It's even the exact same style of humor, only (if possible) WORSE. And the other channels rerun junk to fill the FCC requirement of educational Children's programming. Qubo? Secret Slumber Party? WTF?!?!?

Now, I will say a Kamen Rider series sounds appetizing, but Out of Jimmy's Head? I know that it all comes down to money, but does anyone expect to make money by copying someone else and doing a worse job? Maybe you'd get better ratings if you scrapped all the current craptoons, and look for QUALITY stuff.

My Gym Partner's a monkey. It's not a cartoon show. It's a bumper sticker or T-Shirt.

愛 · 09-30-2007, 09:34 AM

Uhhhhhh, wow. I just like the show, and watch it whenever it's on. I don't go out LOOKING to watch it. I'm not that big on cartoons made for kids. And to deeply analyze a kids show like that? I dunno what to tell you.

*ToTheNines* · 09-30-2007, 10:04 AM

Did anyone else notice that Leo is at the top of that page? I really want Cartoon Network to air TMNT every day after school, that would be a dream come true.

Anyways, it sucks to see CN going through this, I guess kids would rather watch un-inspired sitcoms and high school musical instead...

*DrSpengler* · 09-30-2007, 10:40 AM

I guess this was the inevitable conclusion. Live action has been creeping onto Cartoon Network gradually for the past year or so.

If Cartoon Network does eventually mutate into a Nickelodeon or Disney Channel clone, with hours of That's So Raven dopplegangers, I think it best they change the network's name.

I like the idea of retitling Boomerang "Cartoon Network", since watching Boomerang now is like watching Cartoon Network in 1993 (especially with the recent re-addition of the What a Cartoon Show and Swat Kats to their line-up).

*Drtooth* · 09-30-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

If Cartoon Network does eventually mutate into a Nickelodeon or Disney Channel clone, with hours of That's So Raven dopplegangers, I think it best they change the network's name.

Firstly, I'm gonna say, they fire the guy who was in charge during the ATHF bull, and they don't fire some greed sack snot ball that wants to take one of the ONLY all cartoon channels ever delveloped and turn it into another The N. Especially since Nick is making another all the N channel.

These hideous live action shows are KILLING animation. And I remember being upset when NBC killed it's line up with a long line of Saved By the Bell ripoffs, each more pathetic than the last. There are starving cartoonists out there that need work, and to have it taken away from them because they all want to copy Disney.... it's horrible. And what's the ultimate result? They're going to be behind in the ratings ANYWAY.

CN's draws are Naruto, Fosters, and Ben 10. Hopefully the new dub of One Piece. But other than that, they have just terrible cartoons now, and they wonder where they went wrong. The solution to bad cartoons is even worse live action? Get back all the people who made the network. David Fiess, Genndy Tartikofsky, Mo Willems... and some other big name animators like John K. They have more talent in their cuticles then most of these live action crap writers have in their entire bodies. Have them all develope a series of projects and see which ones stick. If you can't get Vanilla right, don't attempt 39 flavors!

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Adult Swim's content has blown wind for all except for ATHF, Home Movies, SP:C2C 12 Oz and Birdman...and several of those bar ONE are gone. It's really an overblown, overrated "mature" channel with dated, cliched reference humour, and dick and fart jokes with the same old political or industry stabs, nothing ironic or Lynchian

I really don't watch too many of them, but Adult Swim's glory days are gone. A couple odd animes still lying around, and a bunch of ATHF wannabes. Harvey, Space Ghost, Brak... all gone. The Futurama reruns are flagging, and Family Guy is in syndication now (other than the multiple rediculous edits). But it's still doing well, since there is an endless supply of high and drunk college kids that LOVE this stuff.

*ToTheNines* · 09-30-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

I really don't watch too many of them, but Adult Swim's glory days are gone. A couple odd animes still lying around, and a bunch of ATHF wannabes. Harvey, Space Ghost, Brak... all gone. The Futurama reruns are flagging, and Family Guy is in syndication now (other than the multiple rediculous edits). But it's still doing well, since there is an endless supply of high and drunk college kids that LOVE this stuff.

Yea every kid in my high school is in love with family guy, and even some younger kids that I know. Ever since Venture Bros. and Samurai Champloo got yanked I kinda quit watching, somtimes I watch Futurama tho.

*Dr. Doom* · 09-30-2007, 12:48 PM

Metalocalypse seems to be doing pretty well.

*ZariusTwo* · 09-30-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ai

Uhhhhhh, wow. I just like the show, and watch it whenever it's on. I don't go out LOOKING to watch it. I'm not that big on cartoons made for kids. And to deeply analyze a kids show like that? I dunno what to tell you.

Then you should stop watching TMNT if you think these cartoons arent anything but childrens fodder, which they clearly are not.

*Dr. Doom* · 09-30-2007, 01:55 PM

He doesn't.

Peanut · 09-30-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Then you should stop watching TMNT if you think these cartoons arent anything but childrens fodder, which they clearly are not.

Yes, they are...they're not made for adults, they're made for children...

Jon · 09-30-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

Yes, they are...they're not made for adults, they're made for children...

Some cartoons may be (aimed at kids), but there are others that are aimed at both kids and adults. As well as some that are aimed at adults.

Time Mistress · 09-30-2007, 05:24 PM

And yet another once good cable channel implodes.

It happens to all of them eventually it seems.

Some just take longer than others.

As long as the new Transformers show is good and doesn't get screwed with is all I really care about at this point I think.

If anyone can actually salvage CN, more's the better. Why can't Boomerang be the one on basic cable these days? Sigh.

I've lost a lot of faith in TV in general these days. On the good side they say these things like the live action trend run in cycles, so it will end someday, it just sucks for those who are waiting around for the current cycle to end. So in the mean time just give me DVDs of the good stuff and let me create my own viewing schedule.

愛 · 09-30-2007, 06:26 PM

I definitely do not watch TMNT. I'm a fan of the old toon, back when the concept was a joke and meant for children. I'm not into the "Raph's dark internal pain" concept that they have today.

*Drtooth* · 09-30-2007, 06:28 PM

Time Misteress has hit the mark... It is a fad. Unfortunately, it's not going to die out anytime soon, and the only way it will is when CN's bullcrap live action tweencoms to be flop even worse than the cartoons they have on now. yes, they are geared to children.... really really slow children. the Gym Partner Monkey show is dumb, but it doesn't share the same depraved dumbness that Cow and Chicken had. C&C, as rediculous and stupid as it was, enjoyed every minute of it's stupidity, and that's what made it work. Gym Monkey seems like a totally sterilized, factory made sort of stupid, and it loses all that wonder that some of the earlier shows had.

CudleyCowlick · 09-30-2007, 06:41 PM

CN can morph into whatever it wants as long as I can still watch Storm Hawks and Ben 10. I have hopes for the new Transformers, we'll see.

Adult Swim has been going down the crapper for a long time... there's still some good things on there don't get me wrong, I love Metalacolypse, ATHF is still going strong, and I'm just starting to get into Venture Bros, but it's just not like it used to be in the first couple years. I miss Sealab...

*Spitfire* · 09-30-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Then you should stop watching TMNT if you think these cartoons arent anything but childrens fodder, which they clearly are not.

Dude there's like 5 cartoons out there that weren't made with kids in mind and are actually good. Then there's a handful that were made for kids but kept adults in mind.

Not every cartoon is awesome, Captain Planet is not good. Recyclesaurs Rex's Power Hour does not have dark storylines. Not everything has pitch bloack undertones. I think you make this crap up sometimes.

Billy And Mandy should be renamed "Hot Topic The TV Series" because that's all it is. Cannon fodder for moron goth kids who think a show with the Grim Reaper in it is cool. "OOO LOOK BILLY IS ACTING RETARDED LOLOLOL"

09-29-2007, 11:56 PM	#1
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,498	Cartoon Network To Be Rebranded? This recent "CN Cancelation" scare has resulted in some curious inquiries, most notiably this answer from a Network insider. "Steve, I've been here for a bunch of years now, and the first thing I heard when I arrived was that Time-Warner couldn't have two animation divisions, that we were going to merge with Warner Bros. Animation. We're still here. It's true that the division is being retooled and reworked. We haven't been doing well in the ratings, like we're a distant third after the Disney Channel and Nickelodeon. But we've got several different series going, Out of Jimmy's Head, Foster's , Chowder, Flapjack, Transformers, Ben 10 and some new series in development. But no question that we're going through changes..." "...The new head of the division is doing analyses of what kinds of shows we'll be doing, seeing if we'll do more live action, since the Disney Channel is being real succesful with their live action shows and movies. But we're still in the cartoon business..." Kamen Rider is already one of the Network's recent aqqusistions, and the live-action Ben 10 movie was probably another test of an audience for alternatives to animation. CN wont be shut down, but it more than likely is becoming a competitive Jetix-like channel. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

09-30-2007, 01:23 AM	#3
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,498	Adult Swim's content has blown wind for all except for ATHF, Home Movies, SP:C2C 12 Oz and Birdman...and several of those bar ONE are gone. It's really an overblown, overrated "mature" channel with dated, cliched reference humour, and dick and fart jokes with the same old political or industry stabs, nothing ironic or Lynchian I still dont see why people love to jump on the "CN sucks" bandwagon. Half of their content is nothing close to Jetix's inconsistency, or the fact that Avatar is the only show worth watching on Nick. People more than likely dont even watch the shows there thrashing on a long-term basis Dont get me wrong, I dont like Lazlo or Fosters myself, but the Network's best draws like Ben 10 and "Grim Adventures" are more than an equal to the older days of Cartoon Cartoons. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks Last edited by ZariusTwo; 09-30-2007 at 01:29 AM.

09-30-2007, 12:48 PM	#11
Dr. Doom Allons-y! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Castle Doom Posts: 4,535	Metalocalypse seems to be doing pretty well. __________________ I love you, Pickle.

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09-30-2007, 05:24 PM	#16
Time Mistress Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennshellvania, or the 79th level of Null-Time Posts: 710	And yet another once good cable channel implodes. It happens to all of them eventually it seems. Some just take longer than others. As long as the new Transformers show is good and doesn't get screwed with is all I really care about at this point I think. If anyone can actually salvage CN, more's the better. Why can't Boomerang be the one on basic cable these days? Sigh. I've lost a lot of faith in TV in general these days. On the good side they say these things like the live action trend run in cycles, so it will end someday, it just sucks for those who are waiting around for the current cycle to end. So in the mean time just give me DVDs of the good stuff and let me create my own viewing schedule. __________________ AKA the Edwardian Adventuress and Fairlady_Z "You just made your last mistake, Bugeyes -- 'cuz nobody beats up my best buddy and gets away with it -- Nobody! Got that?!" Raphael about Michaelangelo, TMNT Volume 1

09-30-2007, 12:43 AM	#2
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	I would care if I didn't think that all their shows "not" originating from Adult Swim suck like a Kirby vacuum cleaner. What will become of Adult Swim I wonder? I assume its ratings suck.

09-30-2007, 08:45 AM	#4
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	Is it bad that I love My Gym Partner's a Monkey? I dunno, I think it's hilarious.

09-30-2007, 09:34 AM	#6
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	Uhhhhhh, wow. I just like the show, and watch it whenever it's on. I don't go out LOOKING to watch it. I'm not that big on cartoons made for kids. And to deeply analyze a kids show like that? I dunno what to tell you.

09-30-2007, 10:04 AM	#7
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,368	Did anyone else notice that Leo is at the top of that page? I really want Cartoon Network to air TMNT every day after school, that would be a dream come true. Anyways, it sucks to see CN going through this, I guess kids would rather watch un-inspired sitcoms and high school musical instead...

09-30-2007, 10:40 AM	#8
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	I guess this was the inevitable conclusion. Live action has been creeping onto Cartoon Network gradually for the past year or so. If Cartoon Network does eventually mutate into a Nickelodeon or Disney Channel clone, with hours of That's So Raven dopplegangers, I think it best they change the network's name. I like the idea of retitling Boomerang "Cartoon Network", since watching Boomerang now is like watching Cartoon Network in 1993 (especially with the recent re-addition of the What a Cartoon Show and Swat Kats to their line-up).

09-30-2007, 06:26 PM	#17
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	I definitely do not watch TMNT. I'm a fan of the old toon, back when the concept was a joke and meant for children. I'm not into the "Raph's dark internal pain" concept that they have today.

09-30-2007, 06:28 PM	#18
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	Time Misteress has hit the mark... It is a fad. Unfortunately, it's not going to die out anytime soon, and the only way it will is when CN's bullcrap live action tweencoms to be flop even worse than the cartoons they have on now. yes, they are geared to children.... really really slow children. the Gym Partner Monkey show is dumb, but it doesn't share the same depraved dumbness that Cow and Chicken had. C&C, as rediculous and stupid as it was, enjoyed every minute of it's stupidity, and that's what made it work. Gym Monkey seems like a totally sterilized, factory made sort of stupid, and it loses all that wonder that some of the earlier shows had. __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

09-30-2007, 06:41 PM	#19
CudleyCowlick Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vermont, USA Posts: 721	CN can morph into whatever it wants as long as I can still watch Storm Hawks and Ben 10. I have hopes for the new Transformers, we'll see. Adult Swim has been going down the crapper for a long time... there's still some good things on there don't get me wrong, I love Metalacolypse, ATHF is still going strong, and I'm just starting to get into Venture Bros, but it's just not like it used to be in the first couple years. I miss Sealab... __________________ THE DARKNESS AGE IS RETURN!