The further exploitation and violation of Disney Films AKA...The Little Mermaid 3

[Scandia]

I liked Ratatouille a lot. But then, I have pet mice.

On the other hand, a friend of mine did not like it. She said that the jokes flew over her 7 year old niece's head. And that it was too long for little kids.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Scandia

I liked Ratatouille a lot. But then, I have pet mice.

On the other hand, a friend of mine did not like it. She said that the jokes flew over her 7 year old niece's head. And that it was too long for little kids.

So wait, she didn't like it cuz KIDS didn't like it? Wow, so much for having some individuality.

[Dr. Doom]

Yeah, I sorta had the same thought. I guess the way you look at things changes when you have kids, though.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

Originally Posted by TheCure

Uh...there's also this movie called Toy Story 2. Maybe you've heard of it.

I did forget Rescuers down under! I guess I was thinking more along the line of recent Disney sequels since the "Fall" of 2D...I am genuinely hoping this Little Mermaid prequel is good.

I was also forgetting about Lilo and Stitch, there have been sequels and a tv show all of which I relly enjoyed, plus there is some originality to it

[Dr. Doom]

Wasn't Lion King 1/2 in theatres?

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Wasn't Lion King 1/2 in theatres?

No, man! Do I need to learn you some movie info?

[Dr. Doom]

I don't remember!

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I think it went straight to DVD because it was basically the lion king told from the POV of Timon and Pumba...It got two discs though

[Tinuvielsdreams]

Originally Posted by TheCure

No, man! Do I need to learn you some movie info?

The way Disney pumps them out who can keep track sometimes...lol

[Dr. Doom]

Yeah, seriously.

[DrSpengler]

There are only 3 sequels included in the Disney Animated Film canon and those are "The Three Cabballeros", "The Rescuers Down Under" and "Fantasia 2000".

All three of them are quite good, with "Fantasia 2000" being my favorite of the bunch.

[Sage Ninja]

it sadden me deeply that tradional animation is dying out. It's so beautiful and on some level more realistic looking than CGI animation. The last really beautifully animated Disney film with realistic looking characters and lots of detail, in my oppinion was The Hunchback of Notra Dame back in 1996. After that with the animation seemed to take on a much simplistic less detailed (cartoony) approuch that i don't care for.

and with all these Disney sequals coming out why not do one that actually has another story to tell? Like Alice in Wonder land, they only animated one half of the Alice story. I would like to see a sequal that deals with the jabbawaki arc of the story. Maybe make it creepy or something. That could be a good legtimate sequal because it would be part of the actual Alice story instead of making something else up to milk off something done to death.

Or how about a a sequal to The Black Cauldron there is more books to the story than what was given in the Disney version (even though they basterdized it a bit) this Disney movie gets no credit or respect, and it was actually pretty good and dark for a Disney film.

[DrSpengler]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

Or how about a a sequal to The Black Cauldron there is more books to the story than what was given in the Disney version (even though they basterdized it a bit) this Disney movie gets no credit or respect, and it was actually pretty good and dark for a Disney film.

As much as I'd like that, as well, "The Black Cauldren" is unfortunately one of Disney's greatest shames. It was a critical and financial bomb and they completely buried its existance afterward for over a decade (when did it finally get a home video release? 2001?). Disappointing, too, since it was one of Disney's greaters risks, their first PG-rated animated film. If Disney had a lack of guts back then, they certainly don't have any more now (the ruthless editing of trivial things such as CIGARETTES from their classic films is proof of that).

Personally, I think Disney's sequel mania was nothing but wasted potential. They focused too much on films that already had sequels or TV shows or comic books and didn't really need *more* story to be told. Instead of making a "Little Mermaid 3" or a "Lion King 1/2" they could have focused on some of the other Disney flicks with less exposure. I always wanted a sequel to "Sword in the Stone".

...And they coud have put some ****ing effort into the movies to make sure they didn't suck.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Scandia

On the other hand, a friend of mine did not like it. She said that the jokes flew over her 7 year old niece's head. And that it was too long for little kids.

Pfft. Maybe if that Rat farted a hundred times, and stole quotes from other movies, that kid woulda liked it. After all, that's the secret to Dreamworks' success. Shrek 3 did much, much better than Rat did, and it was pretty lousy. But then again, I feel Rat had more sophisticated dialogue about cuisine that would fly over everyone's heads.

that said, I do like Hercules. Once you get past the obvious Disney making it a kid;'s movie and throwing out all the accuracies, it's pretty good. I thought the love story was unmotivated, though. Of course, I still wish the original version of the movie was produced. I forget how it went, but it was much darker a film. If I can recall what I read (and this was in an official Disney published book) it was about Hercules getting caught up in the Trojan war or something like that (some Greek battle, at least) and having to take sides. If I didn't lose the book, I'd quote it verbatim.

Now, for frustrating inaccuracies, I suggest looking at Pocahontas. It's one thing to retell a story or a legend, but they're retelling actual historical facts here.

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Now, for frustrating inaccuracies, I suggest looking at Pocahontas. It's one thing to retell a story or a legend, but they're retelling actual historical facts here.

Ugh... Pocahontas II pisses me off to no end!! It is SOO historically inaccurate it's rediclious! ARGH!!! Even her descendents were complaining about it. Now if you want a more accurate version then watch "The New World" or read the most excellent book "Pocahontas: True Princess"

[Sage Ninja]

Originally Posted by DrSpengler

As much as I'd like that, as well, "The Black Cauldren" is unfortunately one of Disney's greatest shames. It was a critical and financial bomb and they completely buried its existance afterward for over a decade (when did it finally get a home video release? 2001?). Disappointing, too, since it was one of Disney's greaters risks, their first PG-rated animated film. If Disney had a lack of guts back then, they certainly don't have any more now (the ruthless editing of trivial things such as CIGARETTES from their classic films is proof of that).

that is a real shame about the "Black Cauldren" because I really liked that movie and thought it was great, also I really thought that the ending of the movie had a sort of open/cliff hanger to it. Like it was hinting at further adventures Taren and the trio where going to have and I really wanted to see that. I heard that this movie had some extra footage to it but was cut because they thought it was to violent, like Taren shown actually killingsome of the gaurds as well as scenes as of some people getting killed by the skeleton warriors, and a scene where the princess gets the bodice of her dress torn.

Personally, I think Disney's sequel mania was nothing but wasted potential. They focused too much on films that already had sequels or TV shows or comic books and didn't really need *more* story to be told. Instead of making a "Little Mermaid 3" or a "Lion King 1/2" they could have focused on some of the other Disney flicks with less exposure. I always wanted a sequel to "Sword in the Stone".

I would also like to see a sequal to the sword and the stone too. It was one of my favorite movies when I was little. I really did not like the second Little Mermaid movie with Ariel's daughter it was...weak. And the ending was pretty dumb as well. There was no need...no need what so ever for a Lion King 1/2 what a shameless and ridulous way to milk to death a master piece than to re-show the movie from Timons POV. UGH

[Raph's Girl]

The Little Mermaid III is now out on DVD. Here's my review of it.

Well I have to say that this was a good movie. Not as awesome as Bambi II or Cinderella III but definatly up there.

The movie is narrated by Sebastian and starts aproximatly 12 years before the events in the original film.

Spoiler:

It's a time of happiness in the Atlantica. The Merfolk spend time even on the surface. Tritan is happy in life with his wife, Queen Athena, at his side as well as their 7 daughters (Attina, Adela, Arista, Aquata, Andriana, Alana, and Ariel).

Untill one day when they're on the surface. Tritan gives his beloved queen a gift. A music box that plays their special song, Clear Blue Sky. Unfortunatly at the time a pirate ship appears and the Merfolk scatter leaving their musical instruments strewn about the rocks. The pirates seaze the opportunity and steal the instruments. Athena realizes the music box is about to be taken and reaches for it when the pirate ship gets too close to the rocks and crashes right into Athena, killing her.

Distraught over the loss of his wife, he throws the music box in the air where it lands somewhere in the ocean. He then bans all laughter and all music. Anybody caught even humming is sent to the dungeons.

Fast forward 10 years. Tritan's daughters are in their late teens - early 20's. Their ages are never really said altho Adela states at one point that she's 2 years older than Ariel.

They have a nanny of sorts in Marina Del Ray, who hates her job with a passion. She wants power, she wants Sebastian's job as Tritan's 2nd in command. With Marina Del Ray is a um...Well I never really did figure out WHAT he is. Benjamin is I guess a Manitee. She also has several evil electric eels. We learn thru her song number that she's bald (she wears wigs that match with whatever clothes she has on). Altho her past is not known nore is it dealt with.

Marina plots to get rid of Sebastian in some way and finds a way when she discovers one night that the girls are not in their beds. She follows them to find they have been spending time in an undground music club called The Catfish Lounge.

Ariel discovers this shortly after meeting Flounder for the first time while she was doing her chores (yes...they're princesses with chores!!). Altho her job was a bit weird. Scraping barnacles??? WTF?! Ariel follows Flounder to the club (where he's a busboy or something.). There she discovers that Sebastian is the lead singer of a band that consists of a Turtle, Octopus, Man Ray, and a small fish (not sure what he was). The Octopus and small fish (Ink Spot and Swifty) are voiced by Rob Paulsen while Kevin Michael Richardson voices Cheeks (Turtle), and Ray Ray the Man Ray.

After singing a song about remembering how life was like when her mom was alive she is, reluctantly, made a member of the club. The next night her sisters join as well and for at least a week enjoy sneaking out at night to party. That is untill Marina finds the club and quickly informs Triton. The band and Flounder are promptly arrested and placed in the dungeons. Tritan destroys the club and grounds his daughters. Altho innocent Ariel complains they did nothing wrong and argues with Triton (who is still too heartbroken to see he's hurting his own children).

That night Triton is seen going to a dead area by the palace and crying. Ariel can't stand it anymore and decides to run away. She also breaks the band out of prison, but only after Sebastian realizes where they should go.

In the morning they find out Ariel and the band are gone. Tritan goes himself to find her, while Marina sends her electric eels out to kill Ariel and Sebastian.

In the meantime the band (after walking all night and trying to ignore Flounder, who is EXTREMELY annoying.) go to this seemingly dead valley. The others are confused as to why they are there but Sebastian insists it's not what it seems. And indeed it's not for Ariel finds the long lost music box in an glass cavern. Sebastian then informs Ariel that her mother was not only Tritan's wife but also his best friend and that the music box was a wedding annaversary gift to Athena! Oi!!

As the gang goes back to Atlantica (much to the confusion of the band, who don't understand at all why they're going back. But Ariel believes the music box can change Tritan's views) they are attacked by Marina and her goons. And after an intense battle Ariel is knocked unconcious. Tritan is of course distraught and confused at his daughter's actions. But seeing the music box, which plays the song, Tritan begins to sing. This wakes Ariel up.

Emediatly Tritan changes the law that music will return to the kingdom and that Sebastian be made the court music writer. In the dead area by the palace, Triton places the music box and thru magic it transforms the area and brings it back to life (this is never explained how or why).

Meanwhile Marina, and for some reason Benjamin, are put in the dungeons. To me Benjamin is a reluctant player in all this. He reminds me a bit of BooBoo at times. "Tritans not gonna like that Marina..."

The movie could have been longer and we could have had more of a background for Marina. But alas this was more or less about the late Queen Athena.

There was no cameo by Erik, however the Seagull makes a brief cameo appearance during Marina's song. She immitates the scene in the 1st movie where Ariel sings on the surface and a wave splashes over her. Amuzingly for Marina when this happens the wave ruins her hair and a seagull flies by wondering WTF she's doing. *L*

Ariel's sister's aren't focused on much so we don't find much about em. Other than Adela being boy crazy (and 2 years older than Ariel) and Alana being a kluts. Attina is the oldest and the one reluctant at first to follow Ariel's every whim.

As for the music. There's maybe only 4 songs in the entire film. My fave being Athena's song.

[Drtooth]

Hey...

At what point does

Spoiler:

King Triton send the Music Destroyer Robot?

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Hey...

At what point does

Spoiler:

King Triton send the Music Destroyer Robot?

Spoiler:

There's no music destroyer robot. His swordfish guards patrol the city and catch anybody they think is making music.

[Jester]

Spoiler:

And Sebastian, the kings right hand...er...crab, can find a way to who?

Ohhh...Rob Paulsen. Now I'm torn. Watch a crappy Disney prequel...or miss a Rob Paulsen voice over character.