does the person in this video post here?

[IveyAngelo]

It's for the best not to see it It's so not who I am... the other show Fanatical is worth watching.

The surgery is done this is only the trail one and from what I can see this is a lot of help but at the same time it's very hard to know since I'm in pain from the surgery itself. Though the swelling in my hand is down, I can ride in a car without feeling the pain because of bumps in roads, and wind isn't hurting me. I can touch people again. It's weird, but it's better than pain.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by The S

Might I add that I credit the Turtles and Splinter for shaping the way I grew up just as much as I do my parents?

Jesus, if I was your father, I'd disown you right away. Holding cartoons in the same light as a father and mother? You're insane. That's why so many parents let their kids rot away in front of the TV.

[愛]

I'm blown away.

[gobo]

*takes TheCure off of his Christmas card list*

[Cure]

Seriously, if you don't see something wrong with that statement you're as insane as he is.

[Archon_Turtle]

Some kids are lucky that they were raised by television...In many cases, TV did a much better job raising them then their screwed up parents would have.

[Sewer Bull]

I wonder how a rather light-hearted and silly cartoon with intentionally absurd plot (something on which we all agree, see that 6th season review bashing thread), that was mostly a long-running toy commercial, could shape anyone's growing up in the same way parents did.

Cos' I don't believe in "teaching the family values by showing those good role-model Hamatos".

Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

Some kids are lucky that they were raised by television...In many cases, TV did a much better job raising them then their screwed up parents would have.

Prove it. Seriously. Cos' this statement is rather ridiculous.

[Archon_Turtle]

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

Prove it. Seriously. Cos' this statement is rather ridiculous.

Really? Cause I sure don't recall a television ever sexually molesting a child...or beating them...

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

Prove it. Seriously. Cos' this statement is rather ridiculous.

Well the point of a lot of cartoons is to teach kids moral values. If there's no parent around to teach kids these values then they need to learn them from somewhere. If the kids didn't then they would turn out just like their parents. It's the same as religion it just works in a different way. Religion also teaches people moral values but the delivery system is much different and targeted at adults more then kids. Both are now used as tools for raising kids more and more now of days. Mainly TV and now video games are starting to as well.

It's a media driven age and parents are more and more anal about censorship now because they want to take a backseat in their parenting and let a piece of technology and public school raise their kid. Sad but true.

[Archon_Turtle]

As far as the turtles shaping who we were as children, I'll say this...
When I was a kid, I had what is called bilateral pneumothorax (both my lungs collapsed), giving me the need for chest tubes to inflate my lungs, and eventually an emergency tracheotomy (a big gaping hole in my neck). I was your classic medical freak. Everyone...EVERYONE stared, and whispered, and shielded their children's eyes from me. Trust me, a childhood like that doesn't do wonders for one's self esteem or mental well being. I was completely friendless, so I turned to the only "friends" I had that didn't judge me...my toys...specifically the ninja turtles. They kept me sane, literally. I can directly attribute my being a somewhat normal, functioning adult today in part to them. No question. Not many people can fathom the social rejection that I had to endure throughout my entire childhood, but if it wasn't for the bond that I formed with the Ninja Turtles at an early age, I probably would have killed myself around the 6th grade.

[IveyAngelo]

Heh I can tell someone here doesn't really read my post... I would never call the Turtles like a parent figure to me, ever... more like a teacher/friend when needed back when I was a kid.

TV did NOT raise me, my mom and dad took a good hand in my life, I spent more time playing outside or going on family vacations than I did in front of the TV. Ok, so I'm a collector, I got a lot of toys growing up. But that's just how my life was, esp since I was dressing up like a Turtle for kids parties getting $125/hour... I was young and would take that money to the toy store and keep up with the toys as they came out.

Archon I'm sorry to hear, and I'm glad the Turtles were able to be there for you. I was marked as a freak, just because my cousin who went to the same school as me did not like me. So I was ganged up on and hurt by other kids my age. I was friends with younger children that lived on my block, who would come by to hang out. I also had my brother in my early years and my sister when I got older. (I'm the youngest of 3).

It was great meeting you at NYC Comic Con, and I'm glad I've gotten the chance to know you online. From what I can tell from the times I met ya, you're an awesome person. I hope that your life is going so much better for you now.

TheCure, it shows by your post that you don't know me at all. And if you're going to judge by TV than you're the type of people that VH1 focuses on. Knowing they can fool with what ever they want to throw your way. If you read my post that I already made her this week, you would of saw that I put my real family in front of my obsession and collection... and that TMNT is not the only thing I enjoy.

Even to this day, the TV is off 90% of the time. Even though I'm home almost all the time, I rather spend time talking with my family or working on projects that keep my mind going instead of sitting there with the TV on.

[GK Punk]

TheCure wasn't saying that to you, but The S.

[IveyAngelo]

oh, ok... read that in my email notification it didn't see the quote...

Though still to each their own, if a person feels that way than they have their own reasons. It's like giving a teacher or a neighbor credit for helping raise someone. Parents can do so much, and sometimes they do need help depending on their life styles as well.

A friend of mine back in 2000 had a big mental crash, put her in the hospital.. when she came out she was a different person... we blamed anti depression over take because of how the doctor prescribe them to her. In 2002 she had another crash, much worse... this time it took months before I could get through to her. When I did I learned it wasn't the meds, it was her parents. We got her out of her folks house, helped her get on the right type of meds to get her life going, and now she even has her own apartment. She's doing very well now, though not thanks to her parents.

So while some of us have great parents... others need another outlet to learn from. So I won't judge anyone by that comment either.

I've talked with S many many times, and he's a great guy.

When I saw that email in my inbox I just saw a harsh line... one I've had many try to tell me before... (I mean just read all the fun comments on youtube). So I will admit I assumed it was an attack on me. Though really it didn't matter who the attack was on, it was still a rude comment. So sorry that I replied the wrong way the first time.

Though we all grew up different... so judging one by your own life style doesn't always work.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Wow, if you guys think that kind of spending is insane...well, ok, I haven't spent NEAR that much, but I'd hate to calculate what I've spent on anime/manga related things in my life. Oh lord, I'd hate to calculate just the DBZ stuff.

The point - being a fan of anything is expensive in the long run. ^_^

[Ninjinister]

Yeah, who's the crazy one now?!? Wa-hahahahahaha!

[Archon_Turtle]

Originally Posted by The S

Yeah, who's the crazy one now?!? Wa-hahahahahaha!

Still you...but we love you anyway

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

Still you...but we love you anyway

That was my point.

And please don't love me. Nothing good ever comes from that <.<

[Bigfoot]

This is an excellent conversation that I would like to be a part of.

First of all I would like to say hello to Ivey, I have seen the VH1 video in the past and didn't know that you posted here. I know from experience that TV/news can cast whatever kind of light it wants on a story. (PM me for more info. I'd like to get to know you.)

I too am an avid TMNT collector and enthusiast. Many people call me crazy or abnormal for collecting something based on a comic book/cartoon from the '80's. It is my money that I earn that gets me the things I like, so I see no problem with it. I don't drink, do drugs, or go out much. I too find it as a comfort zone to surround myself with all things turtle. I wasn't raised by TV, but I am sure some things have stayed with me.

As far as hobbies and money spent collecting goes... It's a matter of priority. It is up to the individual to determine how much is to much.

[IveyAngelo]

Totally agreed BigFoot!

It's just annoying that people think they can judge others by what they do. No one should have to explain themselves, just be able to live and be happy with their choices in life. As long as you're not hurting anyone else, you have the right to be who ever you wish to be.

Everyone has the choice to go where they want, with what ever they want. I just hope they enjoy And make what ever choices is best to them and their goals.

[Archon_Turtle]

Originally Posted by IveyAngelo

As long as you're not hurting anyone else, you have the right to be who ever you wish to be.

Ivey, you constantly hurt me by not giving me your movie props *nod*

Please...don't hurt me anymore *sob*