[eBay] Wow Just When I Think Ebay Couldn't Suck Anymore!

[VaughnMichael]

Seriously what is this bull crap that sellers can no longer leave negative feedback for buyers?? Yet asshole buyers can leave negative feedback for a seller.
I mean seriously how in the living hell is this even fair?
Does Ebay even know how many prick asshole's there are on Ebay who buy things and never pay?
I mean seriously am I the only one ticked off by this?
I deal with idiots who buy things never to pay for them or take months to pay and after I get fed up after sending tuns of letters and leave them a negative they go and leave me one and call me difficult to work with.
But Ebay won't take that strike away from me and says they can't do anything about it.
This site is becoming such bull crap anymore that it's hardly even fun to sell let alone buy things on Ebay.
Sorry to go off like this but I needed to vent, this seriously makes me want to stop selling on their site all together.

[MrPliggins]

Yeah I know what you mean...I'm not liking this either. Although I've never left or received a negative, I know one of these days I probably will. I'm not the type who will leave a neg just because the buyer left me one..but apparently there are plenty of those kind of sellers out there. It really sucks and makes me want to find some alternative ways to sell. Unfortunately in the online auction front, Ebay pretty much has the monopoly.

I'm betting this will result in MORE negative feedback from buyers...just a hunch..

[A little *too* Raph]

I agree. I haven't been in the ebay game for too long and I haven't sold anything, but the new feedback rules are so one sided it's insane. I can see major problems happening in the future

[Bigfoot]

Does anyone know ebay's reasoning behind doing this? They must have some good reasons to justify for the decisions they made besides saying they can't do anything about it.

[TMNTGal]

Yes I agree. Seriously, why would you bother wasting time bidding and not paying? What kind of sick game is that? What always bothered me is people who never left you feedback in the first place. You could have been the perfect seller/buyer and they won't even bother taking a few seconds to leave a comment. Or those people who are terribly impatient, they pay for slow shipping and want the item within a couple days, then they leave you a negative. I doubt I'll ever list anything for sale there again. I also don't like their no listing items under $1 rule for stores.

[Roseangelo]

While I don't agree with this move, I can understand it... on a certain level.

This is what it boils down to:



That's what popped up on my screen just now when I went to leave feedback.

Taking away the ability to leave retaliatory negative feedback, something I have personally been a victim of, is appealing to me as a buyer. But as someone who also sells, the obvious problems are glaring.

Unfortunately, eBay has more to gain from catering to the buyers than it does to the sellers. Especially as it knows the sellers will more often than not just continue to sell on eBay.

There is also talk that they want to force ALL transactions to be paid for through PayPal. While 99% of my business is done through PayPal anyways, there is also a long laundry list of problems when you start forcing that upon people.

I guess I really don't know what to do or think about it.

[VaughnMichael]

Well I hope Ebay will be happy with it's choice with being so one-sided.
I already know a few people who are going to stop selling on Ebay now because of this.
I've dealt with tuns of asshole's who never pay for things then leave me a negative.
With bull crap like this happening and now Ebay siding with only them.
I also am highly considering just selling my collection via other means as Ebay takes a huge chunk of what I should be making anyway.
Greedy bastards, they will be sorry for doing this, I'm calling it right now.

I mean Ebay has over drafted my bank acount because they thought I didn't pay them, when I got a print out and proved to them that they where at fault they still only put the money as a me not owing them anything on Ebay like saying I could list things for free, while they over drafted my bank acount by $20.00 setting me back big time causing other things to mess up things like my phone bill which are a million times more important.

I've had buyers who waited 2 weeks when I had issues going on and clearly told them that and I always stay in constant contact with buyers and sellers and yet the prick left me negative feedback.
Yet this douche bag took what be bought off of me for about maybe $20.00 relisted it on Ebay for about $90.00 and lied and said that it is a prototype.

Another case was when a buyer told me he never got the item I sent him so Ebay & Paypal gave him the money back and still charged me for it selling.
Not even a month later I see the bastard selling the 1994 Krang's Android Body I sold to him on ebay for double the price.

Yeah Ebay's doing real friggin' good here let me tell ya.

Ebay makes millions upon millions of dollars off of sellers, I used to think people who complained about Ebay's fee's and how they've been treated by Ebay where cry babies.
But now I see how Ebay continually screws the sellers over, and this is just the last straw for many.
Like I said I'm highly considering joining them, I've done nothing but been a good seller and buyer and I constantly get screwed on both ends.

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

There is also talk that they want to force ALL transactions to be paid for through PayPal. While 99% of my business is done through PayPal anyways, there is also a long laundry list of problems when you start forcing that upon people.

They want that because the money hungry bastards want more of the money seller's should be getting.
We more than likely wouldn't have sellers charging more than they should for shipping if places like Paypal weren't around.
I know damn well many people's shipping charges are high to help the burn of having to pay paypal their money or the money that's to be used for shipping just because Ebay just has to have that little extra bit of money.
Like I said they're going to be the one's paying in the end for this mark my words.

[holygrail]

Read an article about the whole PayPal thing that accused eBay of double dipping. Of course eBay takes a cut of whatever you sell but because they also own PayPal, there are fees involved with that. So effectively, every time you sell something, you are paying that same company - twice.

I've never sold anything on eBay but I can understand your frustration Putrescent. As soon as I saw that popup Roseangelo posted I was immediately struck with just how unfair it is. I can sort of see the logic in it - why not cater to the buyers - but if you piss off all your sellers, then you've got no items for sale, and therefore no business.

As a result of all this, I've read reports that other auction houses such as Yahoo and Amazon have had huge spikes in their traffic. Sure it's a household name, but you have to wonder if eBay have signed their own death warrant...

[spazzy]

I was fine with the price increases, but this was a really stupid move on ebays part.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by holygrail

As a result of all this, I've read reports that other auction houses such as Yahoo and Amazon have had huge spikes in their traffic. Sure it's a household name, but you have to wonder if eBay have signed their own death warrant...

It may be different in other countries, but eBay killed both Yahoo and Amazon auctions in the US and both no longer exist. While there are alternative, reallyreally small auction sites, none of them are really comparable to eBay in terms of items for sale and the number of potential buyers.

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

It may be different in other countries, but eBay killed both Yahoo and Amazon auctions in the US and both no longer exist. While there are alternative, reallyreally small auction sites, none of them are really comparable to eBay in terms of items for sale and the number of potential buyers.

In Belgium and in Holland there are numerous little auction sites where you can go and auction your things for free on their site. These are quite popular, I use them myself too. The fun thing about them is that you have less competition. For example: wii games cost much less on sites like these (about half the price). While on ebay, people pay high prices for the same game.
Another nice point is that you don't have to bid to win, you just contact the seller and ask for the price of the item. I recently bought 4 old TMNT bowls like that

[turkishproverb]

Given that they are promising new "seller protections" I'm going to reserve judgement for a related reason.


This was on all of at least one sellers actual item pages for a time while i was looking for certain items it turned out he had:

Please do not leave negative feedback on my account. Any buyer who feels that they cannot give positive feedback should leave none.

I will leave negative feedback for any buyer that does not follow this policy

Obviously I did not bid.

[tOkKa]

-->> ..some of my friends always gave me slack for not sellin' on Ebay ..

..kept holdin' off til' i had the equipment and structure to do so. I just wasn't ready.

Price increases, bullsh8t headaches and nightmare stories have frightened me in recent months about Selling.

And the f7cked up and unfair ways they've treated people and continue to increase their unfairness.

Sh6t like this make makes me further consider NOT selling on there ..


- indefinite.

>v<

[CudleyCowlick]

I've had nearly 500 transactions on Ebay over almost 8 years and I never really had trouble until the last couple of years. I'm not sure how much of it is Ebay's fault for one-sided rule changes like this and how much of it just might be more jerk-off new users who could care less about their user rating.

I've had a couple of run-ins with jerk buyers & jerk sellers lately, but this one takes the cake:

I accepted a best offer (about 20% off) for a rare 45rpm record, and sent an invoice. I waited 5 DAYS and then sent the buyer a notice that payment was due or I would report it unpaid.

He emails me back the next day and says WORD FOR WORD "I'm not interested in this anymore, can I maybe refund your fees and we'll call it good?"

HELLS NO!

I told him that if I didn't have payment in TWO DAYS I would report it unpaid, and Ebay (not him) would refund my fees.

I just couldn't believe it - to buy and not pay is one thing, but to MAKE A LOWER OFFER and then REFUSE to pay?????

[Roseangelo]

A buyer just left a complete lie as neutral feedback on my account. I'm so pissed at them and I have no recourse.

[OA]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

A buyer just left a complete lie as neutral feedback on my account. I'm so pissed at them and I have no recourse.

Well, at least it wasn't a neg. I know thats not much to work with, but I have a feeling negs have been increasingly given out now that they are "free" to do so.

[turkishproverb]

Your saying ebay has NO appeals policy?

[Canadian Turtle]

Now I know I am going to get a lot of flack for this but I thought I would (for fun if not anything else) argue the other side of the coin.

Now to be clear I don't agree with the change but take this for an example.

This has happened far to often: A buyer pays for an item, the seller does not leave feedback right away (which if the buyer has paid on time then the seller should leave positive). The buyer gets the item. Now there is a problem and or a reason to leave negative feedback for the seller. The seller now has a black mailing position to hold the buyer to give positive or the buyer will get negative as well.

I think this is what they are protecting.

I admit I have left negative feedback and usually get some stupid public reply about "if I had a problem then I should have sent it back" ya ya ya. In this case he was selling ripped movies, you break the law, I give a negative feedback for a crappy fake movie that didn't work anyways. I have also left neutral or even positive ( with a bad description) when a seller has sent me an item which was badly packaged (i.e. two MOC 1988 turtles I just got that were packed really poorly). So for a seller to not expect to be judged negative or positive by a buyer is a little stupid. But stupid buyers should get feedback as well I TOTALLY agree there, so maybe the rules should have changed but not this much???

[VaughnMichael]

It's really fine I've stopped selling on ebay as a result of this.
I've had 2 unfair negative feedbacks put against me and eby wont remove them but removed other peoples as a buyer.
So I'll find other ways to sell my items at the moment.
I may come back to ebay at some point but I know I'm not the only person who this is total crap and isn't fair to sellers.
How about if they have such a problem with negatives that they just get rid of it for everyone.
It's so one sided to be able to leave it for a seller but say if there is a buyer who bought an item off you a month ago and has yet to pay you can't leave them a negative, even after tuns of e-mails and they never respond or they finally do e-mail you and go either oh well I no longer want this, I don't have the money, or I found a cheaper one after I bid on yours sorry.
You may not think that there are allot of buyers like this on ebay but there are in the past year I've delt with more than a handfull.

[turkishproverb]

I see where your coming from, but as I pointed out above, the previous system was worse. I think the best solution would be to make it so that one could not leave seller feedback until the buyer feedback had been left, unless the seller refused to leave it after so long or something.