You live by the sword...(the warrior path and corruption)

*Sage Ninja* · 05-21-2008, 01:14 AM

As good as the turtles are I think all the turtles have a hidden dark side that they don't like to awknowledge in them selves. I think every one of them at some point has gotten so frustrated with their situations that they have wanted to act upon those negative emotions and do evil.

What makes the turtles so interesting to me is their dual personalites and their depth of character, and as honorable and straight laced as the turtles are I think each are capable of giving into their more negative impulses. In season four you see Leo tye a bad guy up side down from a high place to frighten him into telling him what he wants, which is basically torture and he is the most honorable. I mean the turtles are warriors who commit acts of violence on a regular basis even when the cause is just, it must take a toll on them after a while. They constantly have to go with the "lesser of two evils" when making dessions and their life style is so full of gray areas. no matter how inocent and good hearted the turtles are deep down they are living the life of a warrior and walking down a down path that could over take them some day. Even though the turtles have ech other their life style is not easy and full of danger and this could wear them down eventually.

Could it be that the turtles life style might eventually corrupt them eventually and they become disensenticed and hard as a result? DOes any one think the turtles have dark sides deep down that they try to fight? What circmstances would make them turn in that direction?

cross · 05-21-2008, 02:47 AM

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*Sage Ninja* · 05-21-2008, 03:43 PM

thats sort of what I mean, the turtles have done alot of things (particularly in the comics) in name of being a warrior and some of it has come back to bite them are given them problems. Like wasn't the whole moral issue of City ar War was that maybe them getting revenge for Splinter wasn't the right thing bevause it caused so much problems and violence? Do the the turtles ever have moments where they have have problems coping with their life style and the choices they have to make amd the consequences it brings. In the new toon them going after Shredder in exodus started a chain reaction that destroyed the fragile trust they had with karai and brought down her wrath and drove them from their home and indirectly brought about Tengu Shredder.

I just wonder if the turtles ever have times where they have moral delimas where they can't seprerate the practicality of what they do with their own personal issues with it. I'm sure the turtles think to themselves that, an enemy is attacking me or threatenin my family so I have to stop them, and if I kill them in the process it was nessasary and unavoidable, but I wonder if they ever feel really bad or or have trouble rationalizing acts of nessacary violence like that and it bothers them morally. And if some day they come across a situation that they can't rationalize and it destroys their faith in their life style.

cross · 05-21-2008, 04:22 PM

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TheUltimateShredhead · 05-24-2008, 01:25 PM

I think everybody have dark side, just some have a greater sence of it then others

syd · 05-24-2008, 10:49 PM

Once a wiseman said: by killing thousands of monsters, you'll turn yourself into a monster as well.

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Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

And if some day they come across a situation that they can't rationalize and it destroys their faith in their life style.

Let's just pray it'd not be all of them coming across it so there'd be at least one world-saving bro believing in the last hope, retrieves the others. Like they did in Same As It Never Was lo.

Jelly Bean · 05-25-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cross

They are children listening to their father, in the words of My.Miyagi, "No such thing as bad student, only bad teacher" You can see as they get older, and the burden of their actions start weighing down on them they begin to question Splinter's teachings.

At the end of the day though these are fictional characters

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I wonder if the turtles will over rebel completely against Splinter. They are getting older and they are about to have a season where they are going to be living with out his influence. Maybe they will come to move away from Splinter's way of doing things.

*Warhorse* · 05-26-2008, 11:56 PM

I think the Turtles are already starting to move away from Splinter's way of doing things. They still honor what he has taught them and all, but each Turtle is slowly finding his own path in the world, his own cliche of friends and experiences.

With this new season coming up, this could be a good topic to tackle. Have each Turtle go their seperate ways to find themselves for a bit. Maybe even have one start to go down a path of corruption. Raph in the comics led the Foot at one time. Maybe have something similar happen in the 2k3 toon.

Jelly Bean · 05-27-2008, 12:16 AM

I wonder if they could ever do a flash back episode where the turtles are preadolesence and are just getting there first taste of battle and they find out that fighting isn't just fighting but is kill or be killed situation, and have they young turtles try to deal with that. And show the early stages of their training where it started to get ore intense. It had to come up.

*Warhorse* · 05-27-2008, 11:26 PM

^I'd love that. I keep hoping there would be flash back episodes on how their first experiences with weapons training, and what their reactions were when they saw their first human, but knew they couldn't be seen.

And maybe show how each Turtle started to get into their hobbies. Leo expressing his desire to be more like Splinter, Donny starts to tinker with his first gadget, Mikey starts to get creative with his art, and Raph ventures topside all by himself for the first time.

*discordiatookie* · 05-29-2008, 02:12 PM

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Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.

- Yoda.

That's what this thread reminded me of.

I think that Raph would be the one to give in to his 'dark side'. certainly more than the others. He be one angry guy! I could also see Leo going that way. Mikey and Don? I can't see it happening to them....

Jelly Bean · 06-02-2008, 10:26 PM

I have a question, has there ever been a time in any medium where one of the turtles went over board in battle and regretted It after ward? Or has any of the turtles showed reluctance with being a warrior and the killing it brings?

05-21-2008, 01:14 AM	#1
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,926	You live by the sword...(the warrior path and corruption) As good as the turtles are I think all the turtles have a hidden dark side that they don't like to awknowledge in them selves. I think every one of them at some point has gotten so frustrated with their situations that they have wanted to act upon those negative emotions and do evil. What makes the turtles so interesting to me is their dual personalites and their depth of character, and as honorable and straight laced as the turtles are I think each are capable of giving into their more negative impulses. In season four you see Leo tye a bad guy up side down from a high place to frighten him into telling him what he wants, which is basically torture and he is the most honorable. I mean the turtles are warriors who commit acts of violence on a regular basis even when the cause is just, it must take a toll on them after a while. They constantly have to go with the "lesser of two evils" when making dessions and their life style is so full of gray areas. no matter how inocent and good hearted the turtles are deep down they are living the life of a warrior and walking down a down path that could over take them some day. Even though the turtles have ech other their life style is not easy and full of danger and this could wear them down eventually. Could it be that the turtles life style might eventually corrupt them eventually and they become disensenticed and hard as a result? DOes any one think the turtles have dark sides deep down that they try to fight? What circmstances would make them turn in that direction? __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

05-21-2008, 02:47 AM	#2
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05-21-2008, 03:43 PM	#3
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,926	thats sort of what I mean, the turtles have done alot of things (particularly in the comics) in name of being a warrior and some of it has come back to bite them are given them problems. Like wasn't the whole moral issue of City ar War was that maybe them getting revenge for Splinter wasn't the right thing bevause it caused so much problems and violence? Do the the turtles ever have moments where they have have problems coping with their life style and the choices they have to make amd the consequences it brings. In the new toon them going after Shredder in exodus started a chain reaction that destroyed the fragile trust they had with karai and brought down her wrath and drove them from their home and indirectly brought about Tengu Shredder. I just wonder if the turtles ever have times where they have moral delimas where they can't seprerate the practicality of what they do with their own personal issues with it. I'm sure the turtles think to themselves that, an enemy is attacking me or threatenin my family so I have to stop them, and if I kill them in the process it was nessasary and unavoidable, but I wonder if they ever feel really bad or or have trouble rationalizing acts of nessacary violence like that and it bothers them morally. And if some day they come across a situation that they can't rationalize and it destroys their faith in their life style. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

05-21-2008, 04:22 PM	#4
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05-24-2008, 01:25 PM	#5
TheUltimateShredhead Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 642	I think everybody have dark side, just some have a greater sence of it then others

05-26-2008, 11:56 PM	#8
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	I think the Turtles are already starting to move away from Splinter's way of doing things. They still honor what he has taught them and all, but each Turtle is slowly finding his own path in the world, his own cliche of friends and experiences. With this new season coming up, this could be a good topic to tackle. Have each Turtle go their seperate ways to find themselves for a bit. Maybe even have one start to go down a path of corruption. Raph in the comics led the Foot at one time. Maybe have something similar happen in the 2k3 toon.

05-27-2008, 11:26 PM	#10
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	^I'd love that. I keep hoping there would be flash back episodes on how their first experiences with weapons training, and what their reactions were when they saw their first human, but knew they couldn't be seen. And maybe show how each Turtle started to get into their hobbies. Leo expressing his desire to be more like Splinter, Donny starts to tinker with his first gadget, Mikey starts to get creative with his art, and Raph ventures topside all by himself for the first time.