Old Michelangelo

*Andrew NDB* · 06-22-2008, 08:09 AM

Any thoughts?

jerome · 06-23-2008, 02:14 AM

what do you mean by old michelangelo? Like how he was back in the vol.I days or his aged "older" self in vol.4?

*Andrew NDB* · 06-23-2008, 02:19 AM

Neither. In old age... say, end of the 21st century.

**Jester** · 06-23-2008, 02:27 AM

Yeah, cause we sooo could have got that from the title.

I could see Mikey living to be the oldest of the TMNT, along with Donatello. I think he'd be fairly light hearted, even then, but he'd certainly would be more level headed with age.

TristanHuwJones · 06-23-2008, 03:53 AM

In spite of what I'm prrretty sure everyone else thinks, I reckon Raph lives longest. I could see Mike going first, with Leo being the one "responsible". We know they all seem to go their separate ways somewhere in their old age, but if you take a look, Old Raph is significantly healthier in appearance and certainly nowhere near as weathered as the others...

PAAATE · 06-23-2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

In spite of what I'm prrretty sure everyone else thinks, I reckon Raph lives longest. I could see Mike going first, with Leo being the one "responsible". We know they all seem to go their separate ways somewhere in their old age, but if you take a look, Old Raph is significantly healthier in appearance and certainly nowhere near as weathered as the others...

Maybe the others pick up smoking

*Scandia* · 06-23-2008, 07:29 AM

Doesn't Donatello live the longest officially?

PAAATE · 06-23-2008, 07:33 AM

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Doesn't Donatello live the longest officially?

That's just speculation.. I think..

TristanHuwJones · 06-23-2008, 08:17 AM

Yeah, I don't think the deaths are an area that's been positively answered. Here's what we know:

Raph loses an eye and seems to have resisted the effects of aging, and that he travels to Japan and sets himself up in a swamp somewhere.

Leo travels the world, gets his game on with Radical, sees her killed years later by Complete Carnage. He becomes obsessed with killing Complete Carnage but never finds him. Leo goes to Japan and becomes a Buddhist. When he accidentally stumbles upon a Complete Carnage hostage crisis, he frees the hostages and kills Carnage. That's his last kill. Years later he's living in an unknown city in a treehouse of sorts.

I'm pretty sure it's Don --it could be any of the four-- but the bookends to Tales 38 have him living in a strange structure overlooking a vast ocean. Given what we know about Leo, I like to think it's Don.
We also know that Don goes back to Japan at some point, and that he goes blind somewhere down the track. We also know he travels into outer space a number of times.

We don't know much about Mike though...

I have a feeling that Leo might not have killed Carnage in a physical sense. If you take the frontispiece in the new Collected Tales Vol.1 he's in a stasis chamber. If you think about it, Leo said he never found Carnage (until their meeting in 41), so that would mean that the Carnage in the stasis pod is a reassembled one from a time after Leo "killed" him.

*odupianist* · 06-23-2008, 08:17 AM

I see Mike living either the longest or next to longest. My reasoning is because "you're only as old as you feel". Mikey is very young at heart I think, and that is why he will out live at least Don and Leo. Raph may live long too because he's tough, but I don't think there has been any official talk on who will live the longest and who will die first. Although now I think about it, I'm sure Don could come up with some machinery to help him live a long time, whether it be cloning, machines attached to him, or his brain in a machine.

*DrSpengler* · 06-23-2008, 10:32 AM

Well, the only time we've ever seen old Mike is in Don's holographic simulation from the Tales TPB frontispieces, correct?

Those frontispieces along with "Old Times", which feature an elderly Don, living all alone who is brought to tears at the memory of his brothers, has always had the implication to me that Don is the last of the Turtles.

As for Mike, he's the only one of the three that hasn't gotten any stories about him in old age. I've always taken that as meaning he doesn't live as long as the rest of them. There are graves outside of Leo's home in Japan during "Loops". No names, but they could possibly mean he has outlived a few of his brothers.

*Raph's Girl* · 06-23-2008, 11:49 AM

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We also know that Don goes back to Japan at some point, and that he goes blind somewhere down the track. We also know he travels into outer space a number of times.

Wait what?? I must have missed an issue. Don goes blind??? Which issue was this??

Im only familiar with the Future Leo and Future Raph stuff :/

*VaughnMichael* · 06-23-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

I'm pretty sure it's Don --it could be any of the four-- but the bookends to Tales 38 have him living in a strange structure overlooking a vast ocean. Given what we know about Leo, I like to think it's Don.
We also know that Don goes back to Japan at some point, and that he goes blind somewhere down the track. We also know he travels into outer space a number of times.

You and everyone else seems to be forgetting the short story in Plastron Cafe of Don in the future and his holographic fighting simulator where it brings up his brothers and he starts to cry and says never to bring them up again.
Really makes you wonder what happens but it could just be another forgotten pushed aside thing, much like splinter dead at the hands of one of the turtles from vol. 2.

PAAATE · 06-23-2008, 01:02 PM

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Really makes you wonder what happens but it could just be another forgotten pushed aside thing, much like splinter dead at the hands of one of the turtles from vol. 2.

I'm still waiting for that to happen in some way..

I don't want any sloppiness in the writing

*Andrew NDB* · 06-23-2008, 01:14 PM

The tale in Plastron Cafe #1 wasn't that far in the future, though... in fact, Volume 4 is nearly there. "Early 21st Century," Plastron Cafe #1 says, so somewhere 2001-2025ish is when that happens. That Don gives Leo his sword at nearly the turn of the 22nd century suggests that his move to Japan is permanent.

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In spite of what I'm prrretty sure everyone else thinks, I reckon Raph lives longest.

In spite of what everyone else thinks? If we're to take the tale from Road Hogs as even a rough indicator, Raph is the last.

*Ninjinister* · 06-23-2008, 01:26 PM

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The tale in Plastron Cafe #1 wasn't that far in the future, though... in fact, Volume 4 is nearly there. "Early 21st Century," Plastron Cafe #1 says, so somewhere 2001-2025ish is when that happens. That Don gives Leo his sword at nearly the turn of the 22nd century suggests that his move to Japan is permanent.

In spite of what everyone else thinks? If we're to take the tale from Road Hogs as even a rough indicator, Raph is the last.

Yes, but then there are MORE Ninja Turtles - including a female one. And that breaks Pete's vision.

*Scandia* · 06-23-2008, 01:28 PM

Is "Road Hogs" even canon? Would it be more official than "Old Times" and Tales Vol 1. frontispieces?

*Andrew NDB* · 06-23-2008, 01:45 PM

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Yes, but then there are MORE Ninja Turtles - including a female one. And that breaks Pete's vision.

True. Though they don't appear to even be the same kind of turtles at all... and ironically, the world of After the Bomb (with mutants and aliens all over the place and in which Old Raph and his New TMNT reside) isn't too unlike what Pete himself has done with Earth in Volume 4.

And as far as I've heard, the main basis of Pete's issue with a female Turtle was that it would take away from their uniqueness, take away them being the last of their kind and never being able to reproduce... and yet with all of these other compatible alien females Pete has brought to Earth now and Michelangelo even (apparently) having babies with Regenta... this was kind of repealed too, essentially, wasn't it?

I have heard Peter use the words "creatively bankrupt" in regard to them ever adding a female Turtle. Just my thoughts, but it only seemed to come up in regard to adding one to the regular lineup to like the cartoons or the any time when the TMNT were still teenagers.

*Andrew NDB* · 06-23-2008, 01:46 PM

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Is "Road Hogs" even canon? Would it be more official than "Old Times" and Tales Vol 1. frontispieces?

None of those examples you list take place as far into the future as Road Hogs.

But who knows if it is canon. Other Palladium mini-comics that appeared in their RPG books are canon.

*VaughnMichael* · 06-23-2008, 01:52 PM

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None of those examples you list take place as far into the future as Road Hogs.

But who knows if it is canon. Other Palladium mini-comics that appeared in their RPG books are canon.

That's because they've been in other official Mirage releases, Road Hogs on the other hand has not been so I really don't think it' official, but you know what only one way to find out ask Peter on his blog.

06-23-2008, 02:19 AM	#3
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06-23-2008, 02:27 AM	#4
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Yeah, cause we sooo could have got that from the title. I could see Mikey living to be the oldest of the TMNT, along with Donatello. I think he'd be fairly light hearted, even then, but he'd certainly would be more level headed with age. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

06-23-2008, 03:53 AM	#5
TristanHuwJones Official TMNT Staff/Cast Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,419	In spite of what I'm prrretty sure everyone else thinks, I reckon Raph lives longest. I could see Mike going first, with Leo being the one "responsible". We know they all seem to go their separate ways somewhere in their old age, but if you take a look, Old Raph is significantly healthier in appearance and certainly nowhere near as weathered as the others... __________________ Still alive (somehow)... tristansbones.bsky.social and instagram @ instagram.com/tristans_bones

06-23-2008, 07:29 AM	#7
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	Doesn't Donatello live the longest officially? __________________ Turtles fight with honor!!!

06-23-2008, 08:17 AM	#9
TristanHuwJones Official TMNT Staff/Cast Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,419	Yeah, I don't think the deaths are an area that's been positively answered. Here's what we know: Raph loses an eye and seems to have resisted the effects of aging, and that he travels to Japan and sets himself up in a swamp somewhere. Leo travels the world, gets his game on with Radical, sees her killed years later by Complete Carnage. He becomes obsessed with killing Complete Carnage but never finds him. Leo goes to Japan and becomes a Buddhist. When he accidentally stumbles upon a Complete Carnage hostage crisis, he frees the hostages and kills Carnage. That's his last kill. Years later he's living in an unknown city in a treehouse of sorts. I'm pretty sure it's Don --it could be any of the four-- but the bookends to Tales 38 have him living in a strange structure overlooking a vast ocean. Given what we know about Leo, I like to think it's Don. We also know that Don goes back to Japan at some point, and that he goes blind somewhere down the track. We also know he travels into outer space a number of times. We don't know much about Mike though... I have a feeling that Leo might not have killed Carnage in a physical sense. If you take the frontispiece in the new Collected Tales Vol.1 he's in a stasis chamber. If you think about it, Leo said he never found Carnage (until their meeting in 41), so that would mean that the Carnage in the stasis pod is a reassembled one from a time after Leo "killed" him. __________________ Still alive (somehow)... tristansbones.bsky.social and instagram @ instagram.com/tristans_bones

06-22-2008, 08:09 AM	#1
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,543	Old Michelangelo Any thoughts? __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

06-23-2008, 02:14 AM	#2
jerome Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 132	what do you mean by old michelangelo? Like how he was back in the vol.I days or his aged "older" self in vol.4?

06-23-2008, 08:17 AM	#10
odupianist Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,744	I see Mike living either the longest or next to longest. My reasoning is because "you're only as old as you feel". Mikey is very young at heart I think, and that is why he will out live at least Don and Leo. Raph may live long too because he's tough, but I don't think there has been any official talk on who will live the longest and who will die first. Although now I think about it, I'm sure Don could come up with some machinery to help him live a long time, whether it be cloning, machines attached to him, or his brain in a machine.

06-23-2008, 10:32 AM	#11
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Well, the only time we've ever seen old Mike is in Don's holographic simulation from the Tales TPB frontispieces, correct? Those frontispieces along with "Old Times", which feature an elderly Don, living all alone who is brought to tears at the memory of his brothers, has always had the implication to me that Don is the last of the Turtles. As for Mike, he's the only one of the three that hasn't gotten any stories about him in old age. I've always taken that as meaning he doesn't live as long as the rest of them. There are graves outside of Leo's home in Japan during "Loops". No names, but they could possibly mean he has outlived a few of his brothers.

06-23-2008, 01:28 PM	#17
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	Is "Road Hogs" even canon? Would it be more official than "Old Times" and Tales Vol 1. frontispieces? __________________ Turtles fight with honor!!!