Old Michelangelo

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

I have a feeling that Leo might not have killed Carnage in a physical sense. If you take the frontispiece in the new Collected Tales Vol.1 he's in a stasis chamber.

It could be the clone of Carnage that the TMNT fought with Savage Dragon. If I recall, it was only smacked into the ocean, wasn't it?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Putrescent

That's because they've been in other official Mirage releases, Road Hogs on the other hand has not been so I really don't think it' official, but you know what only one way to find out ask Peter on his blog.

You're right, of course. It's never been implicitly stated as not canon... but I'd imagine yes, it probably falls into a laundry list of other comics like "The River," "Hall of Lost Legends," "Twilight of the Ring" that are all non-canon now.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You're right, of course. It's never been implicitly stated as not canon... but I'd imagine yes, it probably falls into a laundry list of other comics like "The River," "Hall of Lost Legends," "Twilight of the Ring" that are all non-canon now.

Ah well they're all still fun to read and look at, I wish all tmnt comics still had such great artists behind them.

[Scandia]

and yet with all of these other compatible alien females Pete has brought to Earth now and Michelangelo even (apparently) having babies with Regenta... this was kind of repealed too, essentially, wasn't it?

I think this may be part of the plot- giving Mikey false hope. But since the babies are extremely unlikely to be his, the uniqueness of the Turtles being the last four of their kind will still be there.

[TristanHuwJones]

Originally Posted by Putrescent

You and everyone else seems to be forgetting the short story in Plastron Cafe of Don in the future and his holographic fighting simulator where it brings up his brothers and he starts to cry and says never to bring them up again.
Really makes you wonder what happens but it could just be another forgotten pushed aside thing, much like splinter dead at the hands of one of the turtles from vol. 2.

Hey VM - No, I wasn't forgetting it, I just ond't have the story on hand right now to check out where and when it was set. I know it's not TOO far into the future, as Don hasn't really aged physically in it. And if I'm right, isn't that also set in Japan?

Raph's girl - We find out Don is blind in the Tales Volume 1 Collected book.

Andrew - RE Carnage: No, Leo just splits him and then HE goes and cleanses himself in the ocean.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

Andrew - RE Carnage: No, Leo just splits him and then HE goes and cleanses himself in the ocean.

I said the clone of Carnage, you're thinking about the real deal. And I just checked and, yep, he does just drown in the ocean in Savage Dragon #22 (continued/concluded from the second Mirage TMNT/Savage Dragon special by Dooney).

Perhaps this is the Carnage that is in suspended animation?

And about the vision of one of the Turtles apparently killing Splinter in Vol. 2, #1, we may yet see that. How? Well, perhaps Don uses that bit of hair he plucked from Splinter by his death pyre to clone him... but the clone doesn't end up quite right in the head, perhaps like a rabid animal that he has to be the one to put down himself.

[TristanHuwJones]

Carnage has an insane amount of abdominal muscles.

I'll have to dig that one out and re-read it! I think ultimately a lot these come down to working out what's continuity and what's not.

Splinter's a bit of a tricky one too, and prophecies and visions are never exact. Death could be interpreted a number of different ways...

[turkishproverb]

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

Carnage has an insane amount of abdominal muscles.

I'll have to dig that one out and re-read it! I think ultimately a lot these come down to working out what's continuity and what's not.

Splinter's a bit of a tricky one too, and prophecies and visions are never exact. Death could be interpreted a number of different ways...

IF its a vision, it could mean that one will commit an ultimate betrayal of splinter or what he believed.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

Carnage has an insane amount of abdominal muscles.

I'll have to dig that one out and re-read it!

It's fairly good. It's not really Carnage there... I think they cloned him from his arm or something. He doesn't even speak in the whole two-parter.

Radical gets a good amount of exposure in the Mirage special there. We see her falling back a lot on her then-newly revealed Indian heritage. Dooney's art at its absolute best, page for page.

I think ultimately a lot these come down to working out what's continuity and what's not.

It would be very, very strange if those first two Savage Dragon crossovers weren't in continuity (Mirage's TMNT/Savage Dragon I and II, and TSD #2 and #22). Particularly with Dooney's fingerprints all over them, and Mirage themselves publishing a part in each of the two crossovers.

Obviously the third crossover in the pages of Image's Vol. 3 wouldn't be in canon anymore.

Splinter's a bit of a tricky one too, and prophecies and visions are never exact. Death could be interpreted a number of different ways...

It could be representative rather than literal, what we saw. I was always fascinated by that vision. Gary Carlson kind of had it come true in Image's Vol. 3.

[VaughnMichael]

I'd like to see the Slinter bloody death thing play out as Donatello cloning him from whatever he snipped from Splinter and then it going evil and Don feeling as if it's his fault goes after it and has to kill the clone Splinter.

[TristanHuwJones]

I had an idea to revisit that prophecy for a possible Tale. I might give it a shot when the time comes (if the time comes). It involved the Rat King (a character I'd kill to use!).

[funatic]

Posting a bit late to this thread but my thoughts on the future TMNT is that Raph would likely be the first to go.

While he certainly is in tip-top cycloptic shape in Tales v2 #40 - I would think that Raph would be the sole turtle to not die of old age - but to go out with a bang in combat. It just suits his hot-head nature that he would meet his ultimate end in a moment of action/rage/vengence/defiance etc. (much like in Leo's depression-based fantasy from Blind Sight v1).

Although, I could also see Raph on the other end of the spectrum, outliving them all thanks to his survivalist, 'I look out for myself and myself alone' tactics. However, questionably canon material (esp. from the new Tales TPB) is making it seem more and more likely that Don is our time-defying terrapin, which suits his passive nature, just like a dramatic fight to the death would suit Raph's aggressive nature.

The lack of any future-glimpse at Michelangelo is noteworthy though - he very well may have been cut down before his time, which could have been why the other three went their separate ways in the future, without having Mikey's warmth and compassion to keep them together...

[SHREDDER-X]

Hey, since some real world turtles are known to live to be a 100 years old, does this apply to the TMNT ? How old were they when they all went their seperate ways ?

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by SHREDDER-X

Hey, since some real world turtles are known to live to be a 100 years old, does this apply to the TMNT ? How old were they when they all went their seperate ways ?

It depends on the universe. In Archie, they live to be hundreds of years old. In the new cartoon, they appear to all be dead by the time Fast Foward occurs (presumably.) Mirage is fairly vague, but we've seen glimpses of old Turtles with futuristic technology. Of course with alien trade, who knows?

[KROW]

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

Carnage has an insane amount of abdominal muscles.

Like a purple ear of corn. I love Larsen's art.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

In old age... say, end of the 21st century.

So, about 2099 or so? Hmm...

I think Mikey would have pale, leathery, and loose skin, crumbling plastrons, and bifocals. He would be a bit hunch-shelled from working on his writing so much, and using his skateboard as a shelf for his rough drafts. He'd still be living in the sewers, playing old video games, reading comics, and eating Cheetos when not working, and have a picture of Splinter (maybe a sketch he did) hanging in his office. He would receive occasional phone calls from Casey's grandchildren and talk about old adventures and new story possibilities. Donatello would be living with him, as Raph passed away from heart failure and Leo chose to live in Japan.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

I had an idea to revisit that prophecy for a possible Tale. I might give it a shot when the time comes (if the time comes). It involved the Rat King (a character I'd kill to use!).

Maybe I'm wrong but I assumed that Laird wanted to handle the prophecy in vol. 4. I can't remember which issue but didn't Raph when he first mutated into his current form have a vision of his own involving him dressed in his rags like he wore in RtNY killing the Shredder in the sewers but it turns out to be Splinter.

EDIT

I was just re-reading some of the issues were Raph become Gamera Raph to refresh my memory in the vision and I noticed in the letters page that Laird says that whatever Don clipped from Splinter at the funeral doesn't have any connection to what we saw in volume 2.

I still think it could still come into play though. Seeing as we're seeing people from alternate realities in the current comics.

[tilallr1]

My vote would go to Leo outliving everybody.

First Raph is too hot-headed to not get killed before his prime. If anyone goes first it probably would be him.

Next Mike would go. He always ate badly and slacked off more than the others. I am sure his health would turn south before he outlived his brothers.

Next Don. Who would probably live close in age with Leo, But I only say Leo would outlive Don because Leo always tried to stay in top peak condition, physically and mentally. Where as Don would rather sit sometimes at a Computer.

Also, if we take into account the fact the Leo is the better fighter in the group, he could survive confrontations alot better than any of his brothers.

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Next Don. Who would probably live close in age with Leo, But I only say Leo would outlive Don because Leo always tried to stay in top peak condition, physically and mentally. Where as Don would rather sit sometimes at a Computer.

Doesn't Leo have more enemies than the other turtles? I could see him going out in an act of vengeance... which would be kinda ironic...

I think that Mike goes first, no idea how, then Raph for the same reason everybody else says, then Leo, and last Don

[Venom]

The only time I remember seeing a future Michelangelo was when he was Werewolf Mike in Tales V.2 #39. Although it was set in an alternate timeline, apparently that was the way things were to have played out if it weren't for Raph being able to divert the situation.

Heh, Werewolf Mike and Skeletal Raph...I still love that Wolfman Leo figure from years ago!

[cup-mikey-gertha]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

First Raph is too hot-headed to not get killed before his prime. If anyone goes first it probably would be him.

Good point, but, he has the tough guy image, so he could probably last longest. Plus, in one Turtles universe, he does live longest.

Originally Posted by tilallr1

...if we take into account the fact the Leo is the better fighter in the group, he could survive confrontations alot better than any of his brothers.

Yup, but we all know about Leo and his confrontations..

Originally Posted by PAAATE

Doesn't Leo have more enemies than the other turtles? I could see him going out in an act of vengeance... which would be kinda ironic...

See? We're thinking the same.

Originally Posted by PAAATE

I think that Mike goes first, no idea how.

For some reason, I think so too. It's easy to imagine Mikey in adult age and more serious with him becoming an accomplished writer. But Mikey all wrinkled up, with arthritis, possibly cranky, sporting a cane or some hi-tech wheelchair perhaps?



I've always wanted Mikey to stay as young as he can be.