TMNT Will Change Yet Again Next Season

[Machias Banshee]

Well, damn... there goes my job.

I guess I'll have to find a new Comic shop for any hopes of new TMNT stuff. Reading the old comics are ok, but after a while......

I'd like to think that this Anniversary is going to go well despite the slow crashing and burning...

[Roseangelo]

Yeah, I knew this last week within a couple hours of my TMNT is Dead post on my blog.

So... when is everyone actually gonna believe me that TMNT is dead?

[gobo]

When you show us the body.

[Leonardo19]

The Neca TMNT toy line will die next. Neca hasn't really had any long lasting lines that I know of.

[Leonardo Mystic]

Originally Posted by gobo

When you show us the body.

Ditto.

Show me something with hard facts and evidence, preferably from the main man himself, and not just whispers of "I know something from so and so that said this, but I can't really tell you who because the informant is supposed to be kept secret." That gives me no reason whatsoever to believe you.

In fact, it rings of those oh so retarded chain mails clogging the spam box of your e-mail "Pass this to all these people and you'll win one million dollars by week's end!" Please. I have enough sense to know that that's a load of bunk.

So there are no plans on the table yet for an eighth season of the cartoon. That doesn't mean it's the end of the world or TMNT. Just means they don't have a plan at the moment for it, but it's certainly not dead. The current volume of the comics is ending in a few issues? Well, a new volume may be started at some point later. We don't know. A lot of us seem to think we can read the minds of these people when we really have no proof of what is going to happen. Speculation does nothing but make people anxious, stress over it and cause widespread panic. Now exactly how does that help the situation?

You know, a lot can change over the course of time. Nothing is ever written in stone. And until I see something from the people in charge, I refuse to believe otherwise.

[CyberCubed]

Is it possible 4kids will change their minds if the 5th movie deal goes through?

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Leonardo19

The Neca TMNT toy line will die next. Neca hasn't really had any long lasting lines that I know of.

I fear you may be correct Leonardo as Mirage has been trying to get in contact with them for some time with no word back, and we've yet to see any sort of release date for the second set of figures.
It's not just Turtles though, I'm worried about NECA as a company in general.

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

Ditto.
Show me something with hard facts and evidence, preferably from the main man himself, and not just whispers of "I know something from so and so that said this, but I can't really tell you who because the informant is supposed to be kept secret." That gives me no reason whatsoever to believe you.

Like I said from the start you don't have to believe me, but wtf would I get out of spreading lies and total bs through the fandom.
I've always posted news thats been on the up and up, when my sources want to let themselves be known that is up to them, I'm not going to take food from anyones family because their boss is a total prick.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Is it possible 4kids will change their minds if the 5th movie deal goes through?

One could only guess...

[Mutated Turtle]

noooooooooooooooooooo!!! ive been a tmnt fan all of my life and now tmnt ends whyyyyy!!!!!

[gobo]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Is it possible 4kids will change their minds if the 5th movie deal goes through?

Playmates is the one causing the problem at the moment.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by mutated turtle

noooooooooooooooooooo!!! ive been a tmnt fan all of my life and now tmnt ends whyyyyy!!!!!

It's called money.

[Rooish]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

Ditto.

Show me something with hard facts and evidence, preferably from the main man himself, and not just whispers of "I know something from so and so that said this, but I can't really tell you who because the informant is supposed to be kept secret." That gives me no reason whatsoever to believe you.

In fact, it rings of those oh so retarded chain mails clogging the spam box of your e-mail "Pass this to all these people and you'll win one million dollars by week's end!" Please. I have enough sense to know that that's a load of bunk.

So there are no plans on the table yet for an eighth season of the cartoon. That doesn't mean it's the end of the world or TMNT. Just means they don't have a plan at the moment for it, but it's certainly not dead. The current volume of the comics is ending in a few issues? Well, a new volume may be started at some point later. We don't know. A lot of us seem to think we can read the minds of these people when we really have no proof of what is going to happen. Speculation does nothing but make people anxious, stress over it and cause widespread panic. Now exactly how does that help the situation?

You know, a lot can change over the course of time. Nothing is ever written in stone. And until I see something from the people in charge, I refuse to believe otherwise.

True. It's really frustrating that we can't know the details of this reliable source. Rose, can you PM me who this is, so I can at least ask this person my own questions?

When Laird pulls an Eastman and says he doesn't want to create anything TMNT-related ever again, then I'll believe the TMNT are dead.

From what I've heard now, this might not be their death. It's a break, like the one we had before the new comics and 2k3 cartoon came out. Weird that it comes at the 25th anniversary, but I seriously doubt that Laird is going to kill off everything. Maybe most things, but I think he still loves the TMNT and doesn't want them to go away and disappear, like many people seem to suggest.

Rose, I know you've heard from a reliable source, but I'm guessing it wasn't Laird. But I do want to know, has anyone spoken with Murphy? Ever since he stopped producing Tales and he started writing about nothing but the environment on his blog, I don't know what he's got to do with the TMNT. I miss him.

I know that it's really frustrating that Mirage seems to be cancelling the new show, but maybe they just want to quit it before it becomes a bad show. I can get behind that.

And Laird is dropping Vol. 4, but there is no news on Tales ending. There seem to be some writers and artists with good ideas for Tales coming up. Yes, Wal-Mart is dropping the toys, but with the show ending it's no big deal. Yes, NECA are being douches, but at least, as Vaughn suggests, Mirage didn't ask NECA to drop the TMNT--it's not Mirage wanting this aspect of the TMNT to die. It's the toy company's problem. Mirage can find something else.

Mirage can evolve. Vaughn and Rose, I really respect both of you and am glad we have such investigative and dedicated TMNT fans, but please explain to me how the TMNT are dying and this isn't just a break like before.

[Jester]

TURTLE FANS! UNITE!!!
Sorry, b ut seriously if we want to see the "Green Teens" survive to their 25th birthday, it looks like it falls to us, because the corprate fat cats could care less.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by gobo

Playmates is the one causing the problem at the moment.

That's only part of the problem Gobo, it starts at the top of the place it all started at.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Jester

TURTLE FANS! UNITE!!!
Sorry, b ut seriously if we want to see the "Green Teens" survive to their 25th birthday, it looks like it falls to us, because the corprate fat cats could care less.

And the Fattest Cat of them all is the biggest problem.

[Kendamu]

Originally Posted by mutated turtle

noooooooooooooooooooo!!! ive been a tmnt fan all of my life and now tmnt ends whyyyyy!!!!!

TMNT has "ended" before. Lets just hope its not as desolate as last time.

[TristanHuwJones]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Still... a cancelled comic book

Wait... what?

Originally Posted by X

Anyhow Rooish, the thing about cartoons is, it doesn't cost me 4 bucks a month to keep in touch with my favorite brand.

Dude, $4 a month? Seriously?

Originally Posted by X

Another thing that is crazy about getting into comics, is that someone like me who has never read any of the Mirage/Image comics, and only Archie, I wouldn't know what is going on since the continuity has been there for years and years.

There's nothing crazy about getting into the comics. The continuity has been there for years and years, but that doesn't mean that everything published is in continuity. Next year, there are definitely going to be collected books of the key stories from the original run.

The image stuff, which ran from 96-99, is not canon. It is fun to read, but it's not essential to what's going on.

Back issues of Tales and collected books of Tales Vol.2 aren't hard to find, and you can still get the Treasury collected book of Tales Vol.1 which doesn't hinge on anything from the Mirage Vol.1 books. You CAN read pretty much EVERY issue of Tales without having read Vol.1, or 2. There are plenty here who do.

Tales especially is generally treated in such a way that the story will stand on its own, without you having to dig through back issues to find out what is going on or what has gone on before. It usually gets referenced in the story itself, and what needs to be explained gets explained. Yes, there are occasional exceptions, but there are always going to be.

Heck, you could probably just watch the first two seasons of the show and you'd be completely up to speed with the comics, because all the major story arcs are reproduced ALMOST perfectly there (Utrom Shredder aside)!

Originally Posted by X

That is why I don't read comics, and want this show to continue in cartoon form, as those comics have for many years.

Out of curiosity, do you buy the dvd's or the toys?

Originally Posted by X

TMNT4Kids, if you guys have no control over what is happening, try and convince Mirage otherwise. This show has been on the best cartoons ever, and one that many could easily get into for the subject matter at times. If someone can look at this show in the spirit of shows like Lost, Heroes, and others, in terms of storytelling and continuity, you've done something right.

In all honesty X, the only people who will compare TMNT to shows like Lost and Heroes are the fans of TMNT. The target audience, which is kids, will not look that far into it. Not until they're the age we are now, looking back on it the same way we do with the original cartoons.

X - 4kids have just as much control as Mirage. Go back and have a look at the Fast Forward hooplah.

Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

Indeed we will, but don't forget Peter Laird said he's ending volume 4 and that Tales of the TMNt volume 2 is up in the air but will continue through 2009.

That said though, Tales, like any comic title is always up in the air in terms of the following year. Very few comics a definitely planned two years in advance, unless it's a big, reaching event like Secret Invasion or Final Crisis. The only books IDW banks on are Templesmith titles and Transformers, Marvel only banks completely on Bendis books and Spiderman, just as DC does with Supes and Bats.
I'd been told that talks for 2010 will be happening soon. Peter gave me the thumbs up for a story that can't be scheduled into 09 (not scripted yet, still needs to be fleshed out), so discussions will be happening soon from the looks of things.

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

So there are no plans on the table yet for an eighth season of the cartoon. That doesn't mean it's the end of the world or TMNT. Just means they don't have a plan at the moment for it, but it's certainly not dead. The current volume of the comics is ending in a few issues? Well, a new volume may be started at some point later. We don't know. A lot of us seem to think we can read the minds of these people when we really have no proof of what is going to happen.

This is exactly what I've been trying to say, but people seem to have made up their minds and don't seem to be willing to look beyond what they're seeing in front of them. Like I said: plans take time, and getting those plans into action TAKES TIME, which is why the comics are planned a year ahead, and the cartoon goes through PLANNING and PREPRODUCTION!

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

Speculation does nothing but make people anxious, stress over it and cause widespread panic. Now exactly how does that help the situation?

Quoted for the truth.

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

You know, a lot can change over the course of time. Nothing is ever written in stone. And until I see something from the people in charge, I refuse to believe otherwise.

I like you. Lots.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by Rooish

True. It's really frustrating that we can't know the details of this reliable source. Rose, can you PM me who this is, so I can at least ask this person my own questions?

Sorry, I can't do that. But if you would like to PM me questions I can see if I can get them answered (no promises that he/she can actually answer any of them though).

Rose, I know you've heard from a reliable source, but I'm guessing it wasn't Laird. But I do want to know, has anyone spoken with Murphy?

I have talked with Murph a little, though not specifically about the cartoon.

Ever since he stopped producing Tales and he started writing about nothing but the environment on his blog, I don't know what he's got to do with the TMNT. I miss him.

He still does all the same licensing stuff he had been doing, just sans blog.

Vaughn and Rose, I really respect both of you and am glad we have such investigative and dedicated TMNT fans, but please explain to me how the TMNT are dying and this isn't just a break like before.

It can only be a break if management changes at Mirage. So long as Gary Richardson and Peter Laird are in charge nothing more can come of the TMNT than you see right now. If you guys care so much about the TMNT thriving for years to come, you HAVE to target the root of the problem. If you're not willing to do that, or if you're in denial of that... well, there's nothing more I can say to you.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Rooish

True. It's really frustrating that we can't know the details of this reliable source. Rose, can you PM me who this is, so I can at least ask this person my own questions?

First off why would you ask Rose to tell you who this person is when I'm the person who is sharing this info?
I highly doubt that Rose would want to jeopardize anyone else's job and friendship as those things mean allot, more so than some cartoon.
I quite frankly find it very rude of all of you to keep asking who this person is as if you have no respect for the lives of other humans, that you would rather us rat that person out and not respect their wishes, just so you all can have comfort in a show that is bound to end at some point anyway.

Originally Posted by Rooish

From what I've heard now, this might not be their death. It's a break, like the one we had before the new comics and 2k3 cartoon came out. Weird that it comes at the 25th anniversary, but I seriously doubt that Laird is going to kill off everything. Maybe most things, but I think he still loves the TMNT and doesn't want them to go away and disappear, like many people seem to suggest.

I'm sorry but if you think he does you're fooling yourself, from what I've heard he is hardly ever around, and when he is he's in la la land.
Many people think the man want's the turtles to just go away so he can move on with his life, but it's the fans that keep pulling them back.

Originally Posted by Rooish

Rose, I know you've heard from a reliable source, but I'm guessing it wasn't Laird. But I do want to know, has anyone spoken with Murphy? Ever since he stopped producing Tales and he started writing about nothing but the environment on his blog, I don't know what he's got to do with the TMNT. I miss him.

I speak with him every day, he also says things are not looking to bright.
And I will be conducting an interview with him very soon for my blog.
And as much as I love Dan and think he's a great guy, I think Tales was in much better hands under Murph.

Originally Posted by Rooish

I know that it's really frustrating that Mirage seems to be cancelling the new show, but maybe they just want to quit it before it becomes a bad show. I can get behind that.

And that's more than likely what's going on here.

Originally Posted by Rooish

And Laird is dropping Vol. 4, but there is no news on Tales ending. There seem to be some writers and artists with good ideas for Tales coming up.

Um, Rooish have you been living under a rock or what? Even Peter Laird and Trist who writes for tales has said the series is up in the air past 2009.
I wasn't saying it's canceled, I'm saying past that point they have no idea if it will or will not be around still.

Originally Posted by Rooish

Yes, Wal-Mart is dropping the toys, but with the show ending it's no big deal. Yes, NECA are being douches, but at least, as Vaughn suggests, Mirage didn't ask NECA to drop the TMNT--it's not Mirage wanting this aspect of the TMNT to die. It's the toy company's problem. Mirage can find something else.

Mirage will find something else, And Neca has allot going on not just with the Turtles, I just don't want them to end up like another great indy toy Company Palisades.
and good lord stop typing so much

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

Wait... what?

Trist we've been cool and all over time but seriously your not helping matters right now.
I'd tell you my source but I honestly think you'd nark on them.
No offense though, just as you don't believe me and mock me and them.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

And the Fattest Cat of them all is the biggest problem.

Say what now?

[TristanHuwJones]

Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

Trist we've been cool and all over time but seriously your not helping matters right now.
I'd tell you my source but I honestly think you'd nark on them.
No offense though, just as you don't believe me and mock me and them.

Chances are we're talking to the same people, because I've heard all these things before, and well before they were posted on any of the blogs they were posted on.

NO comic has, or is being canceled. Even if the shows and toys came to an end, ultimately Peter makes the calls as to what happens in publishing, and until Peter tells you the book is canceled, or until you hear that Peter has said it explicitly, the comics will continue. I'm not basing this on my own perceptions either, this is straight out of Mirage. As I said, just because something hasn't been planned for beyond next year doesn't mean it isn't happening. What happens if you plan for 2010 and something unexpected happens in 09? You have to replan 2010, which could make things worse for people involved in those plans. Alternately, it could make things better, but you get my point.

I'm not mocking anyone, and I wouldn't even think of mocking you to be honest. Again, this is the biggest problem with the internet and forum talks: tone. Everything is too open to interpretation, and people are interpreting things the wrong way. It also strikes me as very odd that I've just handed in the script for next November's comics, and heard from Gary not two days ago about what is going on next year involving publishing, and people are telling me the comics are canceled.