If 2009 is the death of TMNT, how long will it be till the next reboot?

[Wolf Ninja]

I think it will be about 8 or more years. Or maybe they will end forever. We'll see.

[ZariusTwo]

I agree with Galactus. Laird likes the original series to a degree, acknowledges it's success, and if anyone seriously thinks Ch'rell isnt probably one of the best, yet VERY blatant reinterpretations of Krang, there fooling themselves.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Really? Can you provide a quote on that because to my knowledge he's never claimed to hate either. Disdain for the old toon, certainly but I've never heard him say he hates it.

No thanks I don't feel like reading through the letters section of Volume 4. He hints at distaste in the interviews on the early 2K3 DVDs too if I remember correctly.

Anyways maybe he has changed his mind since then. I personally don't care either way. If he didn't have an issue with Archie then he wouldn't have shot down the Ultimate TMNT idea as quickly as he did. And you can say maybe he didn't think it'd be good for turtles but if he's going to approve the turtles running around with baby versions of themselves over that then he's got some serious issues.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

No thanks I don't feel like reading through the letters section of Volume 4. He hints at distaste in the interviews on the early 2K3 DVDs too if I remember correctly.

I'm with Galactus. I've seen those interviews. All I've ever heard Laird imply is that the old toon Tutles just aren't his vision. They made him rich. He started the TMNT as a parody, and I'm sure he takes them less seriously than some of the people on this board. You can respect something, but also acknowledge that it's not the direction you would have chosen.

I want some concrete evidence, quotes, the works, that proves Laird out-and-out despises the old toon and Archie versions.

Anyways maybe he has changed his mind since then. I personally don't care either way. If he didn't have an issue with Archie then he wouldn't have shot down the Ultimate TMNT idea as quickly as he did.

I can think of two reasons he shot it down:

1) It was a glaring change of direction, undermining the six years of continuity this univese had built. I can totally see where he was coming from, even though I personally think it was an awesome idea.

2) It's not his vision. I realize he may have created some of the mutant characters back in the day, but it was never the direction he personally would've chosen for the Turtles. That's what he says in all those interviews that you misinterpret as hatred. I love Archie as much as the next guy, but I can respect Laird's decision to tell the stories he wants to tell. Fans acting like they have a right to demand he adapt other people's versions of his characters is ludicrous.

And you can say maybe he didn't think it'd be good for turtles but if he's going to approve the turtles running around with baby versions of themselves over that then he's got some serious issues.

While I agree on the stupidity of the idea, and that Laird may not know how to sell TMNT to a larger audience, I don't think that bares any connection to his respect towards the old toon, nor his right to stick to his own creative direction.

"He was going to approve a crappy idea, therefore he needs to include characters from other people's versions!" Huh?

And by the way, I'm not a Laid suck-up. I think it'd be great if he'd use Archie and old toon characters. But he's not obligated to do so, and it doesn't mean he hates them.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Cipher

I want some concrete evidence, quotes, the works, that proves Laird out-and-out despises the old toon and Archie versions.

Sorry I don't have that kind of free time look it up yourself I told you where to find it.

I can think of two reasons he shot it down:

1) It was a glaring change of direction, undermining the six years of continuity this univese had built. I can totally see where he was coming from, even though I personally think it was an awesome idea.

It'd be five years for starters. Also how does it undermine anything? All I suggested is he use Archie characters not change the tone of the series of how any of the turtles act. So I fail to see where he's coming from.

2) It's not his vision. I realize he may have created some of the mutant characters back in the day, but it was never the direction he personally would've chosen for the Turtles. That's what he says in all those interviews that you misinterpret as hatred. I love Archie as much as the next guy, but I can respect Laird's decision to tell the stories he wants to tell. Fans acting like they have a right to demand he adapt other people's versions of his characters is ludicrous.

And again I repeat I wouldn't expect him to. Is it to much to ask he at least include some of these characters? Instead of making up tons of new and uninteresting monsters, demons, and aliens use some of the stock piled ones he already has. He could easily fit any of those into the series. I wouldn't care if their origins were re-written hell half of them didn't even have solid origins.

And the turtles series we have now isn't "his vision". He has **** to do with it. All he does is test screen episodes now. He doesn't, and never did, write any of the episodes, unless you count the comic adaptation episodes which were all changed anyways. No one from Mirage has written any episodes since season 4 I believe it was. 4Kids fired everyone who worked on the series before that and everyone working on it since then is new.

So if you want to get technical what's happening to turtles now isn't his vision either.

While I agree on the stupidity of the idea, and that Laird may not know how to sell TMNT to a larger audience, I don't think that bares any connection to his respect towards the old toon, nor his right to stick to his own creative direction.

The only creative direction he takes is in his volume 4 comics and now and again he decides to help on a tales issue. Sure he approves everything but that's it. Other people are building his universe and the only thing stopping them from expanding are him.

Let's say even Playmates just wanted to make toys based off the Archie series, I could be wrong here but he even shot that idea down. To me that's all the evidence I need. Also if I remember correctly it's his fault it's taking so long for the "Forever War" book to be finished. It should have been done ages again. I remember an artist was on here complaining about that awhile back.

"He was going to approve a crappy idea, therefore he needs to include characters from other people's versions!" Huh?

He doesn't need to do anything. My point is I don't see how he can shoot down a good idea and go with a bad one. Also the baby turtles wasn't his "vision" so I have no clue why you even said that. You can go off about that all you want point is the turtles series isn't, and hasn't been his complete vision for awhile now which is most likely why he doesn't give a flying **** if it ends.

And by the way, I'm not a Laid suck-up. I think it'd be great if he'd use Archie and old toon characters. But he's not obligated to do so, and it doesn't mean he hates them.

There's ways he says things where it's implied maybe your bad at reading deeper into things or maybe I just look at stuff more negatively. You can say he doesn't hate some of his fans too but reading a lot of his blog comments makes it apparent to me he does. That may be a different subject but the tone of his rants are pretty clear to me and they're not nice most of the time.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Wolf Ninja

I think it will be about 8 or more years. Or maybe they will end forever. We'll see.

Maybe when 2000's nostalgia kicks in again (and with 2000's I mean the years 2000-2009)?

[Drtooth]

5 years. That seems the going rate... 5-10 years or so.

As for Ultimate TMNT... I would have loved to have seen that as much as everyone else... but it feels to me that that would need to be a complete reboot at least 2 years after TMNT 2k3/FF/BTTS would have been canceled. I mean, we'd have another new origin story (as Splinter was Hamato Yoshi and not the pet, and if Shredder and Krang were involved in the mutation process). Though I think the idea could have been tweaked a little to keep everything in the 2k3 universe... but it would essentially just be adding characters.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The best that could happen would be if you take the best from each TMNT universe and mix them up in a new TMNT universe.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

As for Ultimate TMNT... I would have loved to have seen that as much as everyone else... but it feels to me that that would need to be a complete reboot at least 2 years after TMNT 2k3/FF/BTTS would have been canceled. I mean, we'd have another new origin story (as Splinter was Hamato Yoshi and not the pet, and if Shredder and Krang were involved in the mutation process). Though I think the idea could have been tweaked a little to keep everything in the 2k3 universe... but it would essentially just be adding characters.

Exactly my point, but it'd be adding characters they could further develop and make some interesting story arcs. Hell they could adapt story arcs from Archie and make them fit into the new series.

The future shark trilogy could so easily be adapted. They don't even have to go overboard with the mutants really. Just one or two. Verminator X could carry a few episodes just by himself with the kinda character he is.

Here's one free of charge, Wyrm and Scumbug. How can we explain them? Outbreak virus mutants that some how escaped being gassed by the vaccine or the story could be told as a flashback episode to that period of time.

I agree if they tried to change it a lot it would be one big re-vamp and it probably wouldn't work very well they just need to put some through into the idea and develop it more.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Exactly my point, but it'd be adding characters they could further develop and make some interesting story arcs. Hell they could adapt story arcs from Archie and make them fit into the new series.

The future shark trilogy could so easily be adapted. They don't even have to go overboard with the mutants really. Just one or two. Verminator X could carry a few episodes just by himself with the kinda character he is.

Here's one free of charge, Wyrm and Scumbug. How can we explain them? Outbreak virus mutants that some how escaped being gassed by the vaccine or the story could be told as a flashback episode to that period of time.

I agree if they tried to change it a lot it would be one big re-vamp and it probably wouldn't work very well they just need to put some through into the idea and develop it more.

We don't need Wyrm and Scumbug I think. There are cooler Archie characters (both god and bad), like Armaggon, the Mutanimals, Slash and Verminator X.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

4Kids fired everyone who worked on the series before that and everyone working on it since then is new.

So how do you explain Marty Isenberg? He worked on seasons one to three and only missed two seasons en route to returning to FF. The only reason he's not on TMNT right now is because he became head writer of Transformers: Animated

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

So how do you explain Marty Isenberg? He worked on seasons one to three and only missed two seasons en route to returning to FF. The only reason he's not on TMNT right now is because he became head writer of Transformers: Animated

Is Transformers Animated popular? If not, he will maybe return again?

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by J 1982

Is Transformers Animated popular?

I'd say. In fact, I just enjoyed a packet of Transformers animated fruit snacks not but 'alf an hour a go. [/bad John Cleese impersonation]

I still think Ultimate TMNT would have really worked better for a true relaunch, and not so much a new season. Mainly because I wanna see how they'd pull it off without having to completely sink into 2k3 methodology.

[Cipher]

You know what, Spitfire? Touche. I'm not sure if I can call it "hatred," but I suppose Laird really does seem to dislike the old ton/Archie versions of the TMNT.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

And the turtles series we have now isn't "his vision". He has **** to do with it. All he does is test screen episodes now. He doesn't, and never did, write any of the episodes, unless you count the comic adaptation episodes which were all changed anyways.

That said, didn't he have something to do with the new ending of "The King"?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Cipher

You know what, Spitfire? Touche. I'm not sure if I can call it "hatred," but I suppose Laird really does seem to dislike the old ton/Archie versions of the TMNT.

The words "hate" and "hatred" are so overused, people say they "hate" school subjets, cartoons and soccer and ice hockey teams. The real "hate" is the one when people hate each other, which just leads to stupid things like racism and wars.

[IamtheKnight]

I just hope I'm interested in the TMNT when they come back on, if i'm not then i won't care about them.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by cybershredderrulez

I just hope I'm interested in the TMNT when they come back on, if i'm not then i won't care about them.

If not, you will maybe be interested once again, just like how many here did in the early 2000's. Many hadn't been interested in TMNT for years when the 2003 cartoon arrived. Also, the Internet has played an important role.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by J 1982

Is Transformers Animated popular?

Is that a serious question?

The show has had two seasons already produced with a third half-way through production, and regardless of it's popularity (which it has in drones), Transformers, in WHATEVER form it takes, will ALWAYS be more popular and more profitable than TMNT. Fact.

If it "bombed", TMNT would long be over once it did.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Is that a serious question?

The show has had two seasons already produced with a third half-way through production, and regardless of it's popularity (which it has in drones), Transformers, in WHATEVER form it takes, will ALWAYS be more popular and more profitable than TMNT. Fact.

If it "bombed", TMNT would long be over once it did.

I didn't know that? Here in Sweden, a lot of cartoons like that aren't shown.