sooo...yeah...

Jelly Bean · 11-16-2008, 09:28 PM

Does any one here still like this season any more? Because I'm noticing a over-all feeling of disfavor and disgust in this season lately. It seemed like every one started off liking and being hyped for this feeling alot of optimism and hope in the first few episodes and now it seems like every one is dissapointed.

I'm also seeing some danger signs of "FF was better than this" "BTTS is better than FF" fights about to break out.

*CyberCubed* · 11-16-2008, 10:18 PM

I've really liked every ep this season except for the Superquest ep.

The ep with the demon April, Turtles as the Foot, Casey mind controlled, the opener, the Baxter ep, the first Cyberworld ep where they fight Cyber Shredder and whatever Purple dragon ep I'm forgetting were all pretty entertaining.

Splinter and Shredder were probably not going to be re-formed back into the real world until the final parts, which is the only thing that's really dragging.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-16-2008, 10:38 PM

Well Vaugh's probably date-raping us with "I told you sos"

, but hey, I got three good episodes out of it, so it's worth the pain and councelling.

They made major mistakes this season, and the fact we've had mainly new writers who clearly prefer to write light-hearted storylines hasnt helped. The structue of the season depended too much on going to cyberspace, the declining toyline took precepise over internal story structure, drama, and logic.

Above all else, I think some people either have piss-poor tastes, or will swallow any old nonsense these days because the market is so saturated with fewer and fewer series with quality attached to it. Sometimes that's acceptable with shows that are designed to be light-hearted from the instant they begin (The Brave and The Bold), but if you know what brought this series to the dance, one of the most mature, darkest, balliest things 4Kids ever produced...you have to be only fooling yourselves.

*Ninjinister* · 11-16-2008, 10:49 PM

I still like Back to the Sewer, because TMNT is still the best childrens' show currently on TV, in my eyes. And as I've said before, I've never hated an episode, just liked some less than others.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-16-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The S

I still like Back to the Sewer, because TMNT is still the best childrens' show currently on TV

Wolverine and The X-Men has had that crown since August 2008 pal.

**Jester** · 11-16-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Wolverine and The X-Men has had that crown since August 2008 pal.

I'd agree if I actually watched it on TV...

I've said too much.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-16-2008, 11:25 PM

...And heck, even if you can't, there's always The Spectacular Spider-Man

TMNT are DONE in the "best children's television series currently in the US" catergory.

**Jester** · 11-16-2008, 11:28 PM

That's it...US...isn't Wolvie and the X-men airing in only Canada ATM?

Can't defend Spidey over BttS, except that it's gone....BLAST YOU 4KIDS and NICKTOONS NETWORK!!

The Terror of Death · 11-17-2008, 01:50 AM

I liked about three episodes so far, everything else was pretty meh.The animation, presentation, fight scenes, storyline, and characterization is inferior to previous seasons. Sadly the only thing that's consistent is the music quality. And when you take away all that the only thing we got left that is a step up is character designs. Even then I feel those are only slightly better than previous seasons. This makes it the worst season.

Animation: At first glance you would think this has the same animation as FF but it doesn't. FF was pretty consistent, BttS isn't. For one you got clips from FF and 2k3 being used to save money. These clips only last for less than 10 seconds so it make the viewer think "wow you couldn't spend $20 for a 4 second scene." Not only that but more than 50% of the opening is actual in show scenes. Next you got a stick figure drawing (Foot war in Tempus Fugit), bad running animation (guy in alley during Karate Schooled), blurry video quality (one scene in the The Engagement Ring, and etc episodes), and portrait paintings (opening and Identity Crisis). With all that you would think the staff wrote the book on how to cut corners. This season is brighter than the others so that's a plus.

Fight Scenes: We got a solid fight in something wicked, decent fights in Hacking Stockman and Karate Schooled, and several boring fights for other episodes. There's only been a few quick martial arts moves (Seasons 1-4) and and even fewer special weapon attacks (Season 5, FF). This season attempts to do both martial arts and special weapon attacks and usually fails at it because the fights are just too short.

Presentation: A few detailed closeups with Cyber Shredder, no shaky camera, no wide screen cinematic, one color alteration, etc, and etc. The presentation is adequate but it doesn't compare with FF and 2k3 which always tried to look cool and innovative. But I did like the camera rotation in the opening , the closeup of Leo dodging a sword from side to side in Tempus Fugit, and Viral transforming into Shredder. Not too much memorable cinematography but you could do worse.

Story: There's too much filler and little progression. Rehashing of old plots. (A turtle blaming himself, time portals, dinosaurs, videogame episodes, Shredders return and the foot clan being rebuilt, etc.) A lot of this stuff has been done to death and lacks any impact because previous seasons have done it better. Cyberspace and data bit collecting is too gimmicky. The large cast of allies and villains are not being utilized so the tmnt universe feels too small. Some previous plot points are not being touched upon or resolved.

Characterization: Its decent. Casey proposed to April, and took up karate when the turtles left so that's cool. Don blamed himself for Splinters sacrifice, worked like a maniac to get his data back, and neglected some of his other duties. It wasn't executed as well as Leo's story in season four but it was a nice change of pace for his character. Mikey saved the gang from a dinosaur, saved the guys from Khan, and came up with a helpful plan in Web Wranglers. Hes the same Mikey from previous seasons but he hasn't become a totally unreliable comic relief character so I guess that's good. Now for the bad. Hun has been played for laughs. You would think he would have the aura of an extremely powerful crime boss but he doesn't. He blushes, still does grunt work, makes up lies to up his status, and frequently plays SuperQuest. Everyone else is pretty much the same as before.

Tmnt is a shell of its former self.

*Drtooth* · 11-17-2008, 08:12 AM

The new writers seem to be a problem. Somehow I know they'll pull off the last couple of episodes, I I really thought it had the potential to be kinda close to the original 2k3... I was never kidding myself that it would be that good. And personally, I thought that the TMNT 2k3's best bits were done halfway through season 3... then they moved onto those annoying Adlintian arcs, especially in the first half of season 4. Yes, they forked up all these other civilizations... WE GOT IT. I thought we were watching TMNT, and now they're playing third to guest heroes. The second half of S4 was better... and S5 was pretty good, considering they ripped the source material from Naruto.

And For the trillionth time, I can't say FF was bad, so much as a wasted concept. One that built up to the good stuff too slow, and that kept bludgeoning us over the head with the same themes over and over (Mikey's immaturity, how the future is different in random and usually not funny ways). They really should have spent more time on Shokkenabo, Bishop, and Zixx, and less time on Starlee's Jewish stereotype "call the anti-defamation league," Triple Threat (or at least made him into something other than the villain that's just there), or episodes focusing on Mikey's behavior being mimmicked by the villain (If I wanted that stuff, I'd watch Sushi Pack a lot more often).

This season had about 4 really good episode, a couple could have been better episodes (Did the writers take a course in "Wasting Concepts, and how to Overshadow them by shoving them in the second act"- taught by Simpsons writers?), and 2 episodes that seem like kid's books with the Turtles in them... or at least episodes that seem like they're from another show. All I'm saying, they knew that this would be 13 episodes, and they still act like they have all the time in the world for the good stuff to develope, so they can throw as many product placements and "Let's abuse Serling because he's an ellitist" jokes as possible. SHredder SHOULD have came out by now. Don should have stayed solo finding Splinter. And for the last time, Raph is a frustrated, angry, hot headed fighter... not a grouchy old guy who keeps sending the soup back because there's too much broth.

*Ninjinister* · 11-17-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

...And heck, even if you can't, there's always The Spectacular Spider-Man

TMNT are DONE in the "best children's television series currently in the US" catergory.

I really like Spectacular Spider-Man, but I don't see why so many people think it's the second coming of Jesus or whatever. They say the writing is "smart", but other than a few nice quips, it's all standard action cartoon fare. Call me backwards, I still prefer Back to the Sewer to Spectacular Spider-Man. Not to mention that I meant (and I thought it was implied) that it was any children's show that currently airs new episodes.

NameGoesHere1066 · 11-17-2008, 09:40 AM

so far I'm enjoying BTTS, and I'm waiting to fully judge the season as a whole until all it has aired. These past two episodes have been brain cancer inducing painful to watch, but over all I'm still enjoying this season.

Though I do agree there has been some missed opertunities. The whole thing with the turtles having their memeories suppressed and working for the foot should have come when Splinter was completed. It would have been a good climax to Splinter's completion that instead of a reunion the turtles get that cyber virus and they go over to his side and become his and Splinter has to deal with his sons as his greatest eniemies warriors.

Also I'm just about had it with people on here complaining that Karai or Bishiop hasn't shown up. I can understand more with Karai because we did get a BTTS design for her but every one bitching about Bishiop is starting to get old. Bishiop was never an active enemy to the turtles like the other parties have been and he's always had his own agenda and only got involved with the turtles when they got in his way or he wanted something from them, so why would he bother with the turtles right now? His absence isn't that damn out of character and his character is unique because unlike every one else he has other things to do other than menacing the turtles or worring about Shredder.

So to answer the topic of this thread, yes I am still enjoying this season and I haven't given up on it.

*Cipher* · 11-17-2008, 09:46 AM

I'll begin by saying that there's no part of the show that I haven't enjoyed in some way. Fast Foward and Back to the Sewer are admittedly steps down in writing from previous seasons, but viewed on their own I like them just fine.

The problem with Back to the Sewer is that, as many people have pointed out, it's a combination of elements from earlier seasons and Fast Foward. Rather than being some kind of awesome superbaby, it's a mess combining the worst elements from both. You now have over-the-top seriousness mixed with jokes that carry none of Fast Foward's charm. Cram this into a thirteen episode format with incredibly rushed episodes and it just doesn't hold water.

And maybe I'll be accussed of being shallow, but its second fault is shoddy animation. We have clunky movement and re-used footage inserted into the most random moments. The worst part is, people don't understand. "But it's darker so the animation is better!" I actual prefer this art style to Fast Foward's, but the fact remains that the actual animation quality in season six was leagues better than it is now.

Basically, when I watch Fast Foward I can think, "Oh, they're just having fun with the show. It's not bad." When I watch Back to the Sewer I think "What the hell were they going for with this?"

*Ninjinister* · 11-17-2008, 09:58 AM

This is the way I think of it:

Could it be better - YES
Is it still good? - YES

NameGoesHere1066 · 11-17-2008, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Rather than being some kind of awesome superbaby, it's a mess combining the worst elements from both. You now have over-the-top seriousness mixed with jokes that carry none of Fast Foward's charm.

I think what some people are forgetting is that this is in affect still a transitional season where the series is trying to find it's happy medium between FF and classic 2k3. They've got the time period and cast of characters and over-all feel of the classic 2k3 as well as the a few characters and elements from FF but they are trying to mesh it together seemlessly. Red Sky in the orginal series kind of had that when they got rid of Shredder, Krang and the R+B and brought in Dregg and his jolly band of henchmen and Carter.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-17-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The S

I really like Spectacular Spider-Man, but I don't see why so many people think it's the second coming of Jesus or whatever. They say the writing is "smart", but other than a few nice quips, it's all standard action cartoon fare

Yet you prefer a season that's full of standard filler rather than story progression, which Spidey has, you're just not looking hard enough

And going on "best show currently airing" is a technicality torn to shreds by Wolverine and The X-Men

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Originally Posted by NameGoesHere1066

I think what some people are forgetting is that this is in affect still a transitional season.

What you seem to be forgetting is that FF had much better transistion back and forth, dipping into aspects of the continuity in a way that closed out Bishop and Baxter's storylines, and returning to the past to prevent a time paradox....but perhaps most noticably, was that the Turtles STILL HAD THEIR EDGE. Now? Everyone is trying to imitate the original series versions, there's no urgency in the performances, Leo and Raph are snowed under in stuff that fits Mikey EVERY SINGLE WEEK, and their damn eye slits make them look like peodophiles.

And for a season most fans have the common sense to admit is the FINAL season, it shouldnt be coasting on it's arse.

They have the "feel" of the 2003 series? What are you smoking? Besides THREE episodes where that was apparent (and mainly that helped the supporting cast more than the Turtles), it's just been The Turtles goofing off in angst-driven situations and not taking Splinter's dessemation remotley seriously, except possibly Donatello. Noone's "stood out" this season, another problem with FF was this very same thing.

There's no excuse for this s*it. The writers are LAZY, the animation is LAZY, the characters are TIRED, and the concept is LAZY.

There's nothing "transistional" about lazyness, it's a universal form of complaicent SPITE.

*gobo* · 11-17-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Above all else, I think some people either have piss-poor tastes, or will swallow any old nonsense these days because the market is so saturated with fewer and fewer series with quality attached to it.

If you want something done right, you need to do it yourself. If not, then eat what you're served.

For the record, I prefer that later half of Fast Forward to Back to the Sewer ATM. Fewer weak links, but...

Quote:

Originally Posted by The S

This is the way I think of it:

Could it be better - YES
Is it still good? - YES

Damn straight... o_O

*Drtooth* · 11-17-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

And for a season most fans have the common sense to admit is the FINAL season, it shouldnt be coasting on it's arse.

That's the main problem. it shouldn't have been the last season, and none of the three parties felt it would be when they brought it up. but a certain party for certain obvious reasons feels it should be. And unless they can fool themselves into thinking another movie is around the corner, this has been the last bit for them.

I agree full heartedly... this is lazy writing and lazy animation (though, they could have gotten a great deal lazier and made it Flash, like everyone else apparently is doing). Everything past the 3, 4 episodes has seemed rushed and culled out of unused episodes. There IS no excuse for the turtles running around and being children. Even FF had a good excuse. There was no huge gathering storm (that they actually panned out), there was nothing too serious... all and all, with the exception of Shokkenabo et al, it was like a vacation for them.

They know 3 Shredders are coming, they know Splinter needs to be restored, and they know that all their villains have had an entire year off to refocus themselves. but they fill the time saying "Buy new X-treme sports Mini-Mutants! X-treme sports! Did you hear that, fat lazy kids who wouldn't even want to walk out in the sunlight? X-Treme!" and abusing Serling.

Even that last bit about the World of Quest or whatever could have been done better. There wasn't even any danger. it was like they were playing a Leap Pad game or something. It wasn't even a real quest. They coulda/woulda/shoulda made Raph get injured, but they thought it was too much fun to turn him into Gilbert Goddfried.

*Ninjinister* · 11-17-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Yet you prefer a season that's full of standard filler rather than story progression, which Spidey has, you're just not looking hard enough

And going on "best show currently airing" is a technicality torn to shreds by Wolverine and The X-Men

Again, I wouldn't be able to judge Wolverine and The X-Men, because it doesn't air where I live.

And Spidey does have story progression - I've never faulted that. It's just that it's a small twist of the same ol' Spider-Man story. It seems too much to me like an "Ultimate Spider-Man" version of the 90's Fox Kids show to me.

And whether a story has progression or not, isn't how I value a show. It's whether it entertains me. Back to the Sewer is quite a bit more entertaining right now than watching repeats of Spectacular Spider-Man.

NameGoesHere1066 · 11-17-2008, 11:07 AM

I dunno, I guess I'm just sitting back and enjoying the ride as the season pans out and not scrutinising and stressing as much. I feel I did (and many others) alot of bitching and moaning and gnashing my teeth when FF was on. At this point I'm spent with nit picking and complaining and looking for things that aren't going to happen, and complaing about it when it doesn't. It's undeniable at this point that this is the last season of the new series. It had a nice run and this is the end of it's rope. Basically the new series should have just ended after season five becuase it pretty much tyed up all the loose ends of the first seasons and was the ending of the tone the series started out on (well actually season four was but you get what I mean) instead of giving into demands and kiddifying the show by making FF.

11-16-2008, 10:38 PM	#3
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,298	Well Vaugh's probably date-raping us with "I told you sos", but hey, I got three good episodes out of it, so it's worth the pain and councelling. They made major mistakes this season, and the fact we've had mainly new writers who clearly prefer to write light-hearted storylines hasnt helped. The structue of the season depended too much on going to cyberspace, the declining toyline took precepise over internal story structure, drama, and logic. Above all else, I think some people either have piss-poor tastes, or will swallow any old nonsense these days because the market is so saturated with fewer and fewer series with quality attached to it. Sometimes that's acceptable with shows that are designed to be light-hearted from the instant they begin (The Brave and The Bold), but if you know what brought this series to the dance, one of the most mature, darkest, balliest things 4Kids ever produced...you have to be only fooling yourselves. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

11-16-2008, 10:49 PM	#4
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,347	I still like Back to the Sewer, because TMNT is still the best childrens' show currently on TV, in my eyes. And as I've said before, I've never hated an episode, just liked some less than others. __________________

11-16-2008, 11:25 PM	#7
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,298	...And heck, even if you can't, there's always The Spectacular Spider-Man TMNT are DONE in the "best children's television series currently in the US" catergory. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

11-16-2008, 11:28 PM	#8
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	That's it...US...isn't Wolvie and the X-men airing in only Canada ATM? Can't defend Spidey over BttS, except that it's gone....BLAST YOU 4KIDS and NICKTOONS NETWORK!! __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

11-17-2008, 08:12 AM	#10
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	The new writers seem to be a problem. Somehow I know they'll pull off the last couple of episodes, I I really thought it had the potential to be kinda close to the original 2k3... I was never kidding myself that it would be that good. And personally, I thought that the TMNT 2k3's best bits were done halfway through season 3... then they moved onto those annoying Adlintian arcs, especially in the first half of season 4. Yes, they forked up all these other civilizations... WE GOT IT. I thought we were watching TMNT, and now they're playing third to guest heroes. The second half of S4 was better... and S5 was pretty good, considering they ripped the source material from Naruto. And For the trillionth time, I can't say FF was bad, so much as a wasted concept. One that built up to the good stuff too slow, and that kept bludgeoning us over the head with the same themes over and over (Mikey's immaturity, how the future is different in random and usually not funny ways). They really should have spent more time on Shokkenabo, Bishop, and Zixx, and less time on Starlee's Jewish stereotype "call the anti-defamation league," Triple Threat (or at least made him into something other than the villain that's just there), or episodes focusing on Mikey's behavior being mimmicked by the villain (If I wanted that stuff, I'd watch Sushi Pack a lot more often). This season had about 4 really good episode, a couple could have been better episodes (Did the writers take a course in "Wasting Concepts, and how to Overshadow them by shoving them in the second act"- taught by Simpsons writers?), and 2 episodes that seem like kid's books with the Turtles in them... or at least episodes that seem like they're from another show. All I'm saying, they knew that this would be 13 episodes, and they still act like they have all the time in the world for the good stuff to develope, so they can throw as many product placements and "Let's abuse Serling because he's an ellitist" jokes as possible. SHredder SHOULD have came out by now. Don should have stayed solo finding Splinter. And for the last time, Raph is a frustrated, angry, hot headed fighter... not a grouchy old guy who keeps sending the soup back because there's too much broth. __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

11-16-2008, 10:18 PM	#2
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,694	I've really liked every ep this season except for the Superquest ep. The ep with the demon April, Turtles as the Foot, Casey mind controlled, the opener, the Baxter ep, the first Cyberworld ep where they fight Cyber Shredder and whatever Purple dragon ep I'm forgetting were all pretty entertaining. Splinter and Shredder were probably not going to be re-formed back into the real world until the final parts, which is the only thing that's really dragging.

11-17-2008, 01:50 AM	#9
The Terror of Death Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 736	I liked about three episodes so far, everything else was pretty meh.The animation, presentation, fight scenes, storyline, and characterization is inferior to previous seasons. Sadly the only thing that's consistent is the music quality. And when you take away all that the only thing we got left that is a step up is character designs. Even then I feel those are only slightly better than previous seasons. This makes it the worst season. Animation: At first glance you would think this has the same animation as FF but it doesn't. FF was pretty consistent, BttS isn't. For one you got clips from FF and 2k3 being used to save money. These clips only last for less than 10 seconds so it make the viewer think "wow you couldn't spend $20 for a 4 second scene." Not only that but more than 50% of the opening is actual in show scenes. Next you got a stick figure drawing (Foot war in Tempus Fugit), bad running animation (guy in alley during Karate Schooled), blurry video quality (one scene in the The Engagement Ring, and etc episodes), and portrait paintings (opening and Identity Crisis). With all that you would think the staff wrote the book on how to cut corners. This season is brighter than the others so that's a plus. Fight Scenes: We got a solid fight in something wicked, decent fights in Hacking Stockman and Karate Schooled, and several boring fights for other episodes. There's only been a few quick martial arts moves (Seasons 1-4) and and even fewer special weapon attacks (Season 5, FF). This season attempts to do both martial arts and special weapon attacks and usually fails at it because the fights are just too short. Presentation: A few detailed closeups with Cyber Shredder, no shaky camera, no wide screen cinematic, one color alteration, etc, and etc. The presentation is adequate but it doesn't compare with FF and 2k3 which always tried to look cool and innovative. But I did like the camera rotation in the opening , the closeup of Leo dodging a sword from side to side in Tempus Fugit, and Viral transforming into Shredder. Not too much memorable cinematography but you could do worse. Story: There's too much filler and little progression. Rehashing of old plots. (A turtle blaming himself, time portals, dinosaurs, videogame episodes, Shredders return and the foot clan being rebuilt, etc.) A lot of this stuff has been done to death and lacks any impact because previous seasons have done it better. Cyberspace and data bit collecting is too gimmicky. The large cast of allies and villains are not being utilized so the tmnt universe feels too small. Some previous plot points are not being touched upon or resolved. Characterization: Its decent. Casey proposed to April, and took up karate when the turtles left so that's cool. Don blamed himself for Splinters sacrifice, worked like a maniac to get his data back, and neglected some of his other duties. It wasn't executed as well as Leo's story in season four but it was a nice change of pace for his character. Mikey saved the gang from a dinosaur, saved the guys from Khan, and came up with a helpful plan in Web Wranglers. Hes the same Mikey from previous seasons but he hasn't become a totally unreliable comic relief character so I guess that's good. Now for the bad. Hun has been played for laughs. You would think he would have the aura of an extremely powerful crime boss but he doesn't. He blushes, still does grunt work, makes up lies to up his status, and frequently plays SuperQuest. Everyone else is pretty much the same as before. Tmnt is a shell of its former self.

11-17-2008, 09:40 AM	#12
NameGoesHere1066 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: at home LOL Posts: 957	so far I'm enjoying BTTS, and I'm waiting to fully judge the season as a whole until all it has aired. These past two episodes have been brain cancer inducing painful to watch, but over all I'm still enjoying this season. Though I do agree there has been some missed opertunities. The whole thing with the turtles having their memeories suppressed and working for the foot should have come when Splinter was completed. It would have been a good climax to Splinter's completion that instead of a reunion the turtles get that cyber virus and they go over to his side and become his and Splinter has to deal with his sons as his greatest eniemies warriors. Also I'm just about had it with people on here complaining that Karai or Bishiop hasn't shown up. I can understand more with Karai because we did get a BTTS design for her but every one bitching about Bishiop is starting to get old. Bishiop was never an active enemy to the turtles like the other parties have been and he's always had his own agenda and only got involved with the turtles when they got in his way or he wanted something from them, so why would he bother with the turtles right now? His absence isn't that damn out of character and his character is unique because unlike every one else he has other things to do other than menacing the turtles or worring about Shredder. So to answer the topic of this thread, yes I am still enjoying this season and I haven't given up on it. __________________ ]

11-17-2008, 09:46 AM	#13
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	I'll begin by saying that there's no part of the show that I haven't enjoyed in some way. Fast Foward and Back to the Sewer are admittedly steps down in writing from previous seasons, but viewed on their own I like them just fine. The problem with Back to the Sewer is that, as many people have pointed out, it's a combination of elements from earlier seasons and Fast Foward. Rather than being some kind of awesome superbaby, it's a mess combining the worst elements from both. You now have over-the-top seriousness mixed with jokes that carry none of Fast Foward's charm. Cram this into a thirteen episode format with incredibly rushed episodes and it just doesn't hold water. And maybe I'll be accussed of being shallow, but its second fault is shoddy animation. We have clunky movement and re-used footage inserted into the most random moments. The worst part is, people don't understand. "But it's darker so the animation is better!" I actual prefer this art style to Fast Foward's, but the fact remains that the actual animation quality in season six was leagues better than it is now. Basically, when I watch Fast Foward I can think, "Oh, they're just having fun with the show. It's not bad." When I watch Back to the Sewer I think "What the hell were they going for with this?"

11-17-2008, 09:58 AM	#14
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,347	This is the way I think of it: Could it be better - YES Is it still good? - YES __________________

11-17-2008, 11:07 AM	#20
NameGoesHere1066 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: at home LOL Posts: 957	I dunno, I guess I'm just sitting back and enjoying the ride as the season pans out and not scrutinising and stressing as much. I feel I did (and many others) alot of bitching and moaning and gnashing my teeth when FF was on. At this point I'm spent with nit picking and complaining and looking for things that aren't going to happen, and complaing about it when it doesn't. It's undeniable at this point that this is the last season of the new series. It had a nice run and this is the end of it's rope. Basically the new series should have just ended after season five becuase it pretty much tyed up all the loose ends of the first seasons and was the ending of the tone the series started out on (well actually season four was but you get what I mean) instead of giving into demands and kiddifying the show by making FF. __________________ ]