Episode 12 of BTTS summary on official site

[mumbo230]

Then it probably is Playmates who's pulling the plug on the show. They are the ones that pulled it on the second season of FF too, right? They don't give a damn about tying up loose ends, they just want to peddle some cheap crap for a license they don't care about anymore anyway.

4Kids can be blamed for the decline in the show's quality - both monetarily and writing-wise - but I'm positive they wanted it to keep going anyway.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by mumbo230

Then it probably is Playmates who's pulling the plug on the show. They are the ones that pulled it on the second season of FF too, right? They don't give a damn about tying up loose ends, they just want to peddle some cheap crap for a license they don't care about anymore anyway.

4Kids can be blamed for the decline in the show's quality - both monetarily and writing-wise - but I'm positive they wanted it to keep going anyway.

*Gives Mumbo a gold star for the day*

[Jester]

Since it's a 3 party effort, if Playmates didn't want to shell out their third of the cash to produce the show (or at least as big a slice as they have in recent seasons), could that be the reason for the animation scale back, or is the cash flow for the series solely the responsibility of 4kids?

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

A cape that grants the user super powers and Raph gets it?! I wonder what his hero name will be... Green Avenger perhaps?

What about Green Vengeance?

[Jester]

*lightbulb*
Could 4kids be forcing Playmates hand by having the 13 episode "final" season end on a cliffhanger to try desperatly to get another season (or 13 episodes) green lit?

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Jester

Since it's a 3 party effort, if Playmates didn't want to shell out their third of the cash to produce the show (or at least as big a slice as they have in recent seasons), could that be the reason for the animation scale back, or is the cash flow for the series solely the responsibility of 4kids?

Mirage is obviously for tmnt well most of the people there, 4kids has no problem with turtles and wants to work on cool things even involving the past, so that leaves one company left.
So take that for what you will as that company shoots down any good idea Mirage and 4kids have.

[X]

How in the heck can a toy company pull the plug on a show that 4kids created?

So what, 4Kids are puppets to a toy corporation?

That is assuming of course that is why this show would end.

I still think this all sounds odd, with the way the season ended so quickly with little to no closure, and TMNT4Kids stating we'll see some kind of Shredder Wars, after all of this, despite there only being 2 episodes left, and the last looking like a wedding episode.

Something just doesn't add up. I personally hope my hunch is right, but only time will tell. I won't draw any conclusions anymore until something OFFICIAL comes about. If they end the show without any closure, I won't ever give 4kids the benefit of the doubt. Most shows these days have closure, not a 30 minute wham bam thank you maam.

-X-

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by X

How in the heck can a toy company pull the plug on a show that 4kids created?

Oy, for the last time. The show is funded by 4Kids, Mirage, and Playmates. All three companies have a say in what happens to the show, including removing funding.

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

What I don't get... is that Mirage probably got to see the episode scripts before they went into production. So why didn't Mirage say something about them trying to cram too much into 13 episodes?

[IamtheKnight]

Originally Posted by Tomoshibi Amatsu

What I don't get... is that Mirage probably got to see the episode scripts before they went into production. So why didn't Mirage say something about them trying to cram too much into 13 episodes?

Because they are a bunch of lazy idiots.

[CyberCubed]

Can't 4kids and Mirage partner with another toy company if Playmates wants out?

[FlawedCoil82]

Well based on this description and the (apparent) screencap from the last episode in the other thread (shocking....more special costumes ), I can safely go ahead and confirm BTTS, Season 1 as the worst season of TMNT. I thought FF was the bottom of the barrel, but all this season managed to do was make me appreciate FF a little bit more (and made seasons 1-5 look like masterpieces). Whether or not they make another season is still up in the air, but if this truly is TMNT's swan song season, then it couldn't have possibly been any worse (short of having the turtles changed to "Turtle Tots" throughout the whole season from the first episode).

4Kids/Funimation, I am pleading with you to get Season 3 (Parts 1 and 2) and Season 4 (Part 1) out on dvd AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE! BTTS did absolutely nothing to remind me of why I (originally) held this show in such high regards. So at least if I can keep getting the truly fantastic episodes on dvd then it will help justify/remind me of why I suffered through this one.
Jack

[NameGoesHere1066]

OMG, are you freaking sh*tin' me with this? They're going to make an episode where Raph gets super powers by means of a magical f*ckin' cape, and play freakin super hero with the craptastic force!?

What the hell are trying to do here? Whats this character assination of Raphal by making a huge joke out of him doing all these juvinile foolish things that has always been Mikey's territory?

And oh Lord above I don't want to even think about Mikey getting jealous over this. Because Mikey jealous means a 23 minute long gauntlet of him transforming from his immature, annoying, self to his full blown thoughtless, selfish, dickhead self.

I don't want to be subjected to a repeat of "Clash of the Turtle Titans" from FF when Mikey got jealous of a total stranger that was doing his turtle titan thing and acted like total dick. How much do you want to bet this episode is just going be Mikey acting the same way he did in "Clash of the Turtle Titans", only worse because he'll be jealous of Raph and he'll spend the whole time making an unlikable ass of himself trying to compete against Raph with his super powers. I've been liking BTTS up to this point but if this is going to be as painful and embarrassing to see as I think it is, than I might convert over to the "BTTS isn'yt that great" camp.

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

I bet it's always been Raph's dream to join the justice force.

[mumbo230]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Can't 4kids and Mirage partner with another toy company if Playmates wants out?

Well that would require Playmates to drop the license altogether though. I was under the impression that Playmates was just going to sit on it for a while and not put anything out.

Even then, who else would want it? A line that's recently been ditched by Walmart isn't exactly going to look attractive.

[CyberCubed]

The Justice Force ep wouldn't be bad if this season was a 26 episode season. The only problem is it being the second to last episode of this season.

I really thought Cyber Shredder would be a 3-parter, it looks like it'll just be 2 eps, assuming he appears again in the finale.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Can't 4kids and Mirage partner with another toy company if Playmates wants out?

They could probably find a way to do that if they wanted to burn bridges. But, I would imagine TMNT will be tied to those deadbeats forever.

[trustno1]

Originally Posted by gobo

They could probably find a way to do that if they wanted to burn bridges. But, I would imagine TMNT will be tied to those deadbeats forever.

maybe it is like when musicians are ****ed over by record labels because of contracts like how some have to put out best of records or are obligated to stay with a label for x amount of time becaues of the contracts. it could be a similar thing here and maybe playmates are just going to sit on the contract?

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Tomoshibi Amatsu

What I don't get... is that Mirage probably got to see the episode scripts before they went into production. So why didn't Mirage say something about them trying to cram too much into 13 episodes?

Because of Motorcycles and Segways, not understanding business and allowing an incompetent buffoon to be in charge of your property I think pretty much sums it up.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Can't 4kids and Mirage partner with another toy company if Playmates wants out?

Legal binding deals with the devils.

Originally Posted by mumbo230

Well that would require Playmates to drop the license altogether though. I was under the impression that Playmates was just going to sit on it for a while and not put anything out.
Even then, who else would want it? A line that's recently been ditched by Walmart isn't exactly going to look attractive.

They want to put stuff out, and that's one of the other problems.
They don't want to make things Mirage suggests, they go back and forth with 4kids.
So the bottom line is Playmates pretty much wants 100% control over what they do with the TMNT.
I'll tell ya if Playmates wasn't around NECA would have had a hell of allot better run with TMNT than just what's out right now as Playmates are the ones keeping NECA's TMNT out of retail stores.

[Jester]

Hey Vaughn, do you think Playmates may have anything to do with the delay with wave 2 of the NECA figures?

Could they have taken leagal action to have NECA "cease and decist" since they are the TMNT toy licencee?