We can't always believe in change

Type 97 Chi-ha · 12-11-2008, 02:46 PM

CHICAGO (Reuters) – Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich clung to his office on Thursday despite mounting pressure to quit, including a renewed call for his resignation from an "appalled" President-elect Barack Obama.

The 52-year-old Democrat left his home in Chicago, once again eluding a news media crowd waiting outside, driving to an undisclosed location two days after he was charged with trying to shake down people for political favors.

At the same time Obama was telling reporters at a news conference elsewhere in Chicago that he had ordered an investigation to find out what if any contacts his staff had with Blagojevich before the governor was arrested on Tuesday and later freed.

"I had no contact with the governor's office. I did not speak to the governor about these issues. That I know for certain," Obama said.

"What I want to do is to gather all the facts about any staff contacts ... that may have taken place between the transition office and the governor's office," he added, and make them public.

"But what I'm absolutely certain about is that our office had no involvement in any deal-making around my Senate seat. That I'm absolutely certain of," Obama added.

STILL IN POWER

Blagojevich was accused by federal prosecutors of an array of bribery and influence peddling schemes, including trying to sell Obama's Senate seat, which Obama resigned after his election.

Blagojevich has not been indicted and remains governor with full powers. But the charges come after years of investigation detailed by court-approved wiretaps of the governor.

The scandal also began to affect the state's financial situation. Standard & Poor's said it may downgrade Illinois' bond rating, citing the charges and the state's growing financial problems. A much-needed $1.4 billion cash-flow borrowing on Thursday to pay bills was delayed until next week.

The selection of someone to fill the Senate seat was in limbo. All 50 members of the U.S. Senate Democratic Caucus told Blagojevich in a letter on Wednesday to resign and under no circumstances make an appointment to fill the seat.

If he does, they said, it would raise serious questions and they would try to block his choice from being seated. Democrats will control the Senate when the new congressional session convenes in January, even if Obama's seat remains empty.

The state legislature was to go in session on Monday to consider a law stripping Blagojevich of the right to make the appointment and turn the decision over to the voters in a special election.

If that happens Obama's successor could be from either party, instead of it remaining a Democrat seat as had been assumed since Obama and Blagojevich are both from that party.

IMPEACHMENT POSSIBLE

Impeachment and trial were also a possibility at the legislature, and the Illinois attorney general said she might ask the state's supreme court to invoke a provision under which the judges could rule the governor unfit for office.

In the cold outside the governor's home on Thursday, Mark Piekarz, 34, an unemployed financial services worker, said: "What he did shows a disregard for what public service is."

"I was surprised he didn't (resign) the first day. If today goes by and he doesn't resign, that throws everything up in the air. I don't know what he's going to do next," he added.

The saga was drawing attention in corners of the world far removed from Chicago. Blagojevich's Serbian heritage won coverage in that country. Blic, the nation's biggest circulating daily, carried a headline reading: "American corruption in a Serbian way."

Obama told his news conference he was appalled and that Blagojevich could no longer be effective as governor. He said part of the reason he got into politics was to "reclaim a tradition of public service that is about people and their lives, and their hopes, and their dreams. And it isn't about what's in it for me."

(Additional reporting by Karen Pierog; Editing by Peter Bohan and David Wiessler)

I mention this because, in a past thread, I mentioned that Illinois had several governors in recent time who were actually convicted and served prison time. The previous one, George Ryan, is in jail now. He was a Republican governor as the last several ones were, and the current one is the first Democrat in decades. It was no big shock he turned out to be as bad as many of the rest of them.

And this should explain my lack of confidence in Obama, especially since he got his political experience in this state. 'Nuff said.

*KROW* · 12-12-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

I mention this because, in a past thread, I mentioned that Illinois had several governors in recent time who were actually convicted and served prison time. The previous one, George Ryan, is in jail now. He was a Republican governor as the last several ones were, and the current one is the first Democrat in decades. It was no big shock he turned out to be as bad as many of the rest of them.

And this should explain my lack of confidence in Obama, especially since he got his political experience in this state. 'Nuff said.

I don't see how that should have any bearing on Obama's competence or ability in politics. Just because Illinois has a few corrupt politicians means all of them are? And what does Blagojevich being Democrat have to do with anything? This topic just seems to be a form of Obama-bashing.

*Kid Icarus* · 12-12-2008, 02:14 PM

Four words: Karl Rove, "Scooter" Libby.

I also seem to recall Ted Stevens being in some trouble lately...

Type 97 Chi-ha · 12-12-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KROW

I don't see how that should have any bearing on Obama's competence or ability in politics. Just because Illinois has a few corrupt politicians means all of them are? And what does Blagojevich being Democrat have to do with anything? This topic just seems to be a form of Obama-bashing.

You obviously aren't from Illinois, aren't you?

The fact is, our view of our own politicians is that most of them are bad, with a few good apples, and that refers to both parties. Crooked Republicans, crooked Democrats. For the record, while the Chicago Machine of yesteryear is gone (which was controlled by the Democrats), the general view is that things have not really changed that much since the old days. That is why I have little confidence in Obama, who cut his political teeth in this state. If he had had a political career elsewhere, I'd actually have had more confidence in him.

Type 97 Chi-ha · 12-12-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid Icarus

Four words: Karl Rove, "Scooter" Libby.

I also seem to recall Ted Stevens being in some trouble lately...

Bill Clinton, who wasn't convicted but certainly wasn't exonerated either...

*Hannah* · 12-12-2008, 02:44 PM

Yes, judge someone for where they're from. You're intelligent.

*Cure* · 12-12-2008, 02:53 PM

You have to be the dumbest f*ck on these boards, and that's saying a lot.

Type 97 Chi-ha · 12-12-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannah

Yes, judge someone for where they're from. You're intelligent.

Certainly more intelligent than some people here.

Type 97 Chi-ha · 12-12-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCure

You have to be the dumbest f*ck on these boards, and that's saying a lot.

Post again after you get your diapers changed, will you?

愛 · 12-12-2008, 04:56 PM

12-11-2008, 02:46 PM	#1
Type 97 Chi-ha Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brookfield, IL Posts: 1,333	We can't always believe in change CHICAGO (Reuters) – Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich clung to his office on Thursday despite mounting pressure to quit, including a renewed call for his resignation from an "appalled" President-elect Barack Obama. The 52-year-old Democrat left his home in Chicago, once again eluding a news media crowd waiting outside, driving to an undisclosed location two days after he was charged with trying to shake down people for political favors. At the same time Obama was telling reporters at a news conference elsewhere in Chicago that he had ordered an investigation to find out what if any contacts his staff had with Blagojevich before the governor was arrested on Tuesday and later freed. "I had no contact with the governor's office. I did not speak to the governor about these issues. That I know for certain," Obama said. "What I want to do is to gather all the facts about any staff contacts ... that may have taken place between the transition office and the governor's office," he added, and make them public. "But what I'm absolutely certain about is that our office had no involvement in any deal-making around my Senate seat. That I'm absolutely certain of," Obama added. STILL IN POWER Blagojevich was accused by federal prosecutors of an array of bribery and influence peddling schemes, including trying to sell Obama's Senate seat, which Obama resigned after his election. Blagojevich has not been indicted and remains governor with full powers. But the charges come after years of investigation detailed by court-approved wiretaps of the governor. The scandal also began to affect the state's financial situation. Standard & Poor's said it may downgrade Illinois' bond rating, citing the charges and the state's growing financial problems. A much-needed $1.4 billion cash-flow borrowing on Thursday to pay bills was delayed until next week. The selection of someone to fill the Senate seat was in limbo. All 50 members of the U.S. Senate Democratic Caucus told Blagojevich in a letter on Wednesday to resign and under no circumstances make an appointment to fill the seat. If he does, they said, it would raise serious questions and they would try to block his choice from being seated. Democrats will control the Senate when the new congressional session convenes in January, even if Obama's seat remains empty. The state legislature was to go in session on Monday to consider a law stripping Blagojevich of the right to make the appointment and turn the decision over to the voters in a special election. If that happens Obama's successor could be from either party, instead of it remaining a Democrat seat as had been assumed since Obama and Blagojevich are both from that party. IMPEACHMENT POSSIBLE Impeachment and trial were also a possibility at the legislature, and the Illinois attorney general said she might ask the state's supreme court to invoke a provision under which the judges could rule the governor unfit for office. In the cold outside the governor's home on Thursday, Mark Piekarz, 34, an unemployed financial services worker, said: "What he did shows a disregard for what public service is." "I was surprised he didn't (resign) the first day. If today goes by and he doesn't resign, that throws everything up in the air. I don't know what he's going to do next," he added. The saga was drawing attention in corners of the world far removed from Chicago. Blagojevich's Serbian heritage won coverage in that country. Blic, the nation's biggest circulating daily, carried a headline reading: "American corruption in a Serbian way." Obama told his news conference he was appalled and that Blagojevich could no longer be effective as governor. He said part of the reason he got into politics was to "reclaim a tradition of public service that is about people and their lives, and their hopes, and their dreams. And it isn't about what's in it for me." (Additional reporting by Karen Pierog; Editing by Peter Bohan and David Wiessler) I mention this because, in a past thread, I mentioned that Illinois had several governors in recent time who were actually convicted and served prison time. The previous one, George Ryan, is in jail now. He was a Republican governor as the last several ones were, and the current one is the first Democrat in decades. It was no big shock he turned out to be as bad as many of the rest of them. And this should explain my lack of confidence in Obama, especially since he got his political experience in this state. 'Nuff said.

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