Watchmen

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Brodie

Your two posts are kind of contradictory... You think it sucks theyre changing parts of the ending, but you like that they changed V for Vendetta?

If changing a bunch of things about V didn't change the story, the ending of Watchmen won't change the real message that was trying to get put across.

Your totally right, the difference though is I never read the novels for V or From Hell I just knew about them and read that he hated the films. I've actually read Watchmen which was probably a bad idea because now I have expectations.

Other people screened the entire film, people who had been huge fans of the graphic novel, and stated it was superb. People like Brian K. Vaughn, Kevin Smith, etc..

Well that gives me some hope. The first 15 minutes is a tad hard ot base an opinion off of. I'm sure some were scornful they couldn't see more.

[IamtheKnight]

Hold up! Nolan isn't directing or making Batman 3?!

[ThirdMarioBro]

I would bet money on Warner getting another director and another Batman when they need the cash. They did it before, they'll do it again. (Un)Fortunately, if such a thing happens, I'm old enough to know better. Studio-driven sequels destroy franchises, and Batman's already been raped twice. No Nolan, no watch.

And for Watchmen, bleh. I was never going to see it anyway.

[Brodie]

That's probably because you're not smart enough to understand it. Too much weight , eh?

[Ninjinister]

I'm not saying this is one of those cases, but a lot of my favorite shows and/or movies get bad reviews and ratings from the critics and public because the plot actually takes some brain power to comprehend. It pisses me off to no end, that I keep hearing terrible things about cleverly written media, or said media is canceled, because the world at large refuses to use their gray matter when watching something.

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[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Brodie

And on a sidenote, **** Moore. He's one of the biggest pretentious assholes ever. The ****er writes comic books, he isn't god. He's a dirty old man who thinks his **** doesn't stink. Seriously, read some interviews with the guy, he's the biggest prick around.

He's been right so far about movies based on his comics sucking though.

He's far from the biggest jerk in comics, too. Alan Moore is crazy, but there are bigger jerks out there.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

Didn't David Hayter write it, or did they scrap his script?

Hayter did contribute to the script, but it's been butchered and stuck together with elements of later scripts.

A shame too, the guy's a pretty solid ghost-writer for Hollywood.

[Voltron]

This is like Wrestlemania Nerdogeddon.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

A shame too, the guy's a pretty solid ghost-writer for Hollywood.

Ouch, that one was really bad.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Originally Posted by Brodie

That's probably because you're not smart enough to understand it. Too much weight , eh?

No, actually because I haven't read the graphic novel yet and I don't want to ruin it, but I don't have the time to read it at the moment.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

I'm not saying this is one of those cases, but a lot of my favorite shows and/or movies get bad reviews and ratings from the critics and public because the plot actually takes some brain power to comprehend. It pisses me off to no end, that I keep hearing terrible things about cleverly written media, or said media is canceled, because the world at large refuses to use their gray matter when watching something.

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You've never seen a single independent film in your entire life have you? You want to see intelligence being mocked look at the box office totals every weekend. Normally, not always of course, the most intellectually devoid movie takes the weekend and the amazing films are all shoved into limited release where only a few theaters show them. "The Wrestler" is a great example of that. It got stellar reviews but I can't see it because only one theater is playing it and it's 100 miles away from me. "Slum Dog" is an amazing movie and it just hit wide but still no ones really going to see it.

Critics watch a lot of movies, a lot more then you and most people. It's their job to nit pick and point out what's wrong with something. I use RT to gauge what my expectations are before I go into a movie. Honestly it's never steered me wrong. More often then not when a movie has lower then a 70% on RT I end up not liking it. Sometimes I check it out before I go see it and sometimes I wait till after to see if I'm alone in thinking it wasn't very good.

Problem for awhile was everything was average. Yeah the movie wasn't that bad but it wasn't grabbing me either. There are thousands of films out there so wasting my time on one that's just "okay" when there's tons that are stellar seems like a waste. Lately though things have been bad and in the last few months nothing really good has come out that's major. In fact the last several good movies I've seen were limited releases.

I don't let critics tell me what's good and what's not. I let them guide me if I'm really unsure cause some I normally agree with. There are cases where stuff I like has gotten bad reviews, like the last few Dirty Harry movies, and cases where I like something but I can see why critics ripped it apart.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

I would bet money on Warner getting another director and another Batman when they need the cash. They did it before, they'll do it again. (Un)Fortunately, if such a thing happens, I'm old enough to know better. Studio-driven sequels destroy franchises, and Batman's already been raped twice. No Nolan, no watch.

That's just freakin' peachy, idn't it? I can see it now... Jim Carrey or Will Ferel as the Joker... This thing's gonna be stunt casted to hell and back. I bet Nolan's going to be one of those swelled head directors that pretends to not want to do another sequal, letting it fall into incapable hands.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

You've never seen a single independent film in your entire life have you?

No, I haven't. I spend all my time watching mainstream rubbish and absolutely nothing else.



These are a majority of what I'm referring to. I don't read every single review from around the world, but most of the independent film reviews that I've read, from both professionals and amateurs, are basically "This movie was boring, I couldn't follow the plot, oh, and I didn't like the camera angle in the first ten seconds of the second act" (that last one is usually exclusive to 'professionals').

Now, I don't watch a lot of independent films, unfortunately, but because they're not mainstream, they're a little tougher to get a hold of or catch in a theater. But the ones that I do watch are normally the mindteaser and mindscrews.

The only real problem I have with most independent films is the fact that they're often (thought not always), way too pretentious - they swagger with a self-awareness of being an indy film and they push that as their driving factor.

[IamtheKnight]

i dont care about watchmen

[ZariusTwo]

1. Why troll a thread if you don't care about the topic?

2. Your "news" was dated October 6th and isnt real info ya shmuck

[Drtooth]

Speaking of Batman, I can't wait to see how this will further put the prospects of the 60's show in jeopardy. Great maturity from 2 well managed companies.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

I would bet money on Warner getting another director and another Batman when they need the cash. They did it before, they'll do it again. (Un)Fortunately, if such a thing happens, I'm old enough to know better. Studio-driven sequels destroy franchises, and Batman's already been raped twice. No Nolan, no watch.

Yes, a sequel without Christopher Nolan is guaranteed to suck no matter what.

Y'know, the guy isn't the be all, end all of Batman. There were great Batman stories before Nolan (even on the screen, like Mask of the Phantasm). There is plenty of other talent that can make a good Batman movie. It's just a matter of finding people that will take the material seriously enough.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

Y'know, the guy isn't the be all, end all of Batman. There were great Batman stories before Nolan (even on the screen, like Mask of the Phantasm). There is plenty of other talent that can make a good Batman movie. It's just a matter of finding people that will take the material seriously enough.

Considering what happened last time, we'll get someone imitating the style, but bringing something to the game which shouldn't have been brought in the first place. We'll wind up getting stunt casting and ridiculous plots like Batman Forever and (worse yet) Batman and Robin. I really hope WB can coax Nolan into doing one more, and then ending it there for it to be rebooted further allong the line.

I just don't want to see someone trying to be Nolan and failing miserably.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Considering what happened last time, we'll get someone imitating the style, but bringing something to the game which shouldn't have been brought in the first place. We'll wind up getting stunt casting and ridiculous plots like Batman Forever and (worse yet) Batman and Robin. I really hope WB can coax Nolan into doing one more, and then ending it there for it to be rebooted further allong the line.

I just don't want to see someone trying to be Nolan and failing miserably.

Well it is entirely possible that people will learn from their mistakes. WB did with the last two Batman movies. I agree that trying to imitate Nolan is dooming a future movie to failure. I'd like to see a dark, serious Batman in another director or writing team's style. I wouldn't mind seeing a creative team that would give Robin or Batgirl a serious chance.

Also, in defense of Batman Forever, Batman Returns also paved the way for ridiculous plots. The first Batman movie was relatively light on the Tim Burton wackiness, but things got really crazy with Batman Returns.

Batman and Robin. Well, there's no defending that one.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

Yes, a sequel without Christopher Nolan is guaranteed to suck no matter what.

Y'know, the guy isn't the be all, end all of Batman. There were great Batman stories before Nolan (even on the screen, like Mask of the Phantasm). There is plenty of other talent that can make a good Batman movie. It's just a matter of finding people that will take the material seriously enough.

While I liked Mask of the Phantasm it was a box office disaster. It was also an animated movie so I hardly consider it the same boat as this new live action series.

Yeah there's tons of great Batman stories, in the comic, in the TV series, but we're talking movies. As far as movies goes, depending on what you like, a lot of people think Nolan's films are the best.