Marvel Super Hero Squad

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

This looks like something Japanese people would come up with.

No... no no... let's not forget what the Japanese did with Spider-Man

[Spitfire]

At least that was funny haha I remember watching a whole episode of that once.

[Drtooth]

I say, forget the 90's shows... I wanna see them clear out the red tape and bring that over here.

That and the terrible anime they made about Marvel's Dracula comics... (Drac's freakin' eating a Cheeseburger, for crying out loud!)

[Raph's Girl]

Heh.. cool. Tom Kenny was cast to voice Capt America and Iron Man in Super Hero Squad (of which a comic adaption came out this week). I like him as the voice of Plastic Man in Brave and the Bold.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stori...1/09/index.htm

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Heh.. cool. Tom Kenny was cast to voice Capt America and Iron Man in Super Hero Squad (of which a comic adaption came out this week). I like him as the voice of Plastic Man in Brave and the Bold.

An interesting choice to say the least... Of course, he's basically in every American produced and voiced cartoon series out there now... I am a fan, of course... I just wonder if he's going to do something in a serious voice.

I just can't help thinking that Iron Man will sound like Heffer from Rocko...

ugh... Marvel chibi cartoon? I feel sorry for kids today. Such a hollow time in their lives.
Makes ya think back to how awesome we had it back in the day. We had Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, ThunderCats, GhostBusters, Jem, Transformers, He-Man, She-Ra, Beetlejuice, My Pet Monster, etc...

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Ryona

ugh... Marvel chibi cartoon? I feel sorry for kids today. Such a hollow time in their lives.
Makes ya think back to how awesome we had it back in the day. We had Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, ThunderCats, GhostBusters, Jem, Transformers, He-Man, She-Ra, Beetlejuice, My Pet Monster, etc...

The inclusion of He-Man, She-ra and My pet Monster in your list I think are hilarious. And here's why.... Marvel's "Chibi" cartoon is clearly intended as a toy commercial for These toys... DC actually made a comic based on Mattel's Super Friends line, and I don't see this as any different. Nor do I see it any different than Any of the toy based cartoon shows we had in the 80's.

In fact, for every Transformers and He-Man, there are a bunch of lousy, forgotten shows based on toys that were thankfully burried... at least until the advent of Youtube... (seriously, look up stuff like Mad Balls and Garbage Pail Kids... they're insanely terrible, and not even in a fun way).

I do think it's a cuter idea as a comic book (again, like DC's Super Friends line).

The big question is, where exactly will this air? I don't think Disney DX would be a likely place, as it clearly has the appeal for 4-7 year olds, and XD is about 8-14....

[Chrissie Terrapin]

Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

I've seen it on the Internet quite a bit, but just what the heck is a "chibi"?

Chibi are a common phrase used for super deformed character often used in Japanese comics and animation

The point, Drtooth, is that kids today are getting the short end of the stick. Saturday morning tv is filled with cartoon rubbish. It's just really sad an pathetic how uninteresting just about all of today's cartoons are.

[The Stryker]

They're uninteresting to YOU. The kids haven't been complaining at all. The shows aren't made for people like you.

You think back in "our time" the 20 somethings looked at He-man and Ninja Turtles and said "OH! COOL! GIANT TURTLES AND A GUY NOT WEARING A SHIRT! YOU KIDS ARE SOOOOO LUCKY." No, They thought it was garbage because it wasn't made for them.

So please, Shut up.

**** you, Stryker. I'm done with your attitude. Seriously, go **** yourself.
What the hell happened to you? Why are you such an asshole? What did I miss in my absense. Holy ****, man.

[The Stryker]

Awww thank you!

You're not exactly acting like a saint here. I was just asking, who died and made you the authority on which generation of shows is better than the other? shows like GI Joe and Transformers were nothing more than 22 minute toy commercials, not exactly deep.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Ryona

The point, Drtooth, is that kids today are getting the short end of the stick. Saturday morning tv is filled with cartoon rubbish.

Wait... Saturday Mornings still have cartoons? Could have fooled the crap out of me. (I'll take rubbish cartoons over that dreadful Kevin Treadau anyday).

[Spitfire]

When I was a kid I knew a bunch of adults who used to watch Saturday morning cartoons, ones without kids too. It was morning ritual for them, a bowl of cereal and whatever was on. Hell my Dad used to wake me up to watch Ninja turtles all the time and he wasn't even a fan of it he just liked the show. When the new series came out he did the same thing.

The problem with new shows, and ones like this, is they're so child oriented that adults can't even watch it with their kids. When kids are 20 or older they aren't going to look back on this and go "Man that show was awesome". Most likely if they ever do see an episode of it they will go "I can't believe I watched this crap". I've had that happen to me with some cartoons from when I was a kid. I tried watching an episode of Swamp Thing on youtube once that was sad.

Also there's a huge fanbase for Marvel Heroes and the reason their making this show is because a PG-13 movie hit it big in the box office. If they want to score big ratings they need to make it accessible to teens as well. That will also open the doors to adult comic fans I'm sure.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

The problem with new shows, and ones like this, is they're so child oriented that adults can't even watch it with their kids. When kids are 20 or older they aren't going to look back on this and go "Man that show was awesome". Most likely if they ever do see an episode of it they will go "I can't believe I watched this crap". I've had that happen to me with some cartoons from when I was a kid. I tried watching an episode of Swamp Thing on youtube once that was sad.

I don't so much think it's all of them per se... considering the fact we've really hit a dry spell in American animation (seems most of the stuff, if any, we get are coming from Canada and odd places in Europe- Ireland and Russia- we aren't even getting all that much from Japan anymore either). And we all know the reasons why, no need to repeat them.

I feel a lot of the cartoons we've had recently hold up. The Batman (sure, it isn't Batman TAS, but it didn't need to be), Spectacular Spider-Man, and (from what I've heard) Wolverine and the X-Men are outstanding quality. And I think Chowder is a wonderful little "Stupid" cartoon series. The problem lies in the fact, as stated, there really isn't all that much out there anymore. So, the biggest news we have is another Super Hero show getting made, due only to the movies and comic culture.

Also there's a huge fanbase for Marvel Heroes and the reason their making this show is because a PG-13 movie hit it big in the box office. If they want to score big ratings they need to make it accessible to teens as well. That will also open the doors to adult comic fans I'm sure.

Again, toys. They have at least 2 shows accessible to teens, Spider-Man and X-Men. And sure, I think they should focus on trying to get more Spider-Man episodes and holding off cancellation instead of this. I know what they're going for here... a Super Friends style show for younger comic fans... seems like the youngest fan base is the only group of kids that even watch cartoons anymore.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Wait... Saturday Mornings still have cartoons?

They might in Canada... feel free to correct me on this, Ryona (or anyone else).

Originally Posted by Spitfire

When I was a kid I knew a bunch of adults who used to watch Saturday morning cartoons, ones without kids too. It was morning ritual for them, a bowl of cereal and whatever was on. Hell my Dad used to wake me up to watch Ninja turtles all the time and he wasn't even a fan of it he just liked the show. When the new series came out he did the same thing.

My dad and uncle used to watch cartoons in the wee morning hours before they went off to work, in the early '80's before I was born. Stuff like Herculoids and Space Ghost... Hell, even early anime like Speed Racer and Star Blazers.

Originally Posted by Spitfire

The problem with new shows, and ones like this, is they're so child oriented that adults can't even watch it with their kids. When kids are 20 or older they aren't going to look back on this and go "Man that show was awesome". Most likely if they ever do see an episode of it they will go "I can't believe I watched this crap". I've had that happen to me with some cartoons from when I was a kid. I tried watching an episode of Swamp Thing on youtube once that was sad.

Boom. Right there. That's what I'm talking about. Spitfire is right on the ball.
This is what I mean when I say most cartoons today are very hollow and uninteresting.
Not to say that every cartoon in the 80s and 90s were a hit, but they vastly outnumber today's rubbish in genuine quality. Mainly what cartoons have going today is better picture quality and CGI. There's just not much ingenuity.
There's only a few diamonds in the rough today such as Ruby Gloom.

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

They might in Canada... feel free to correct me on this, Ryona (or anyone else).

Yes.
Drtooth is just being a smartass.

[The Stryker]

I know for a fact that there are lots of parents who watch kids shows with their children and enjoy them.

Nothing is better or worse. Yesterday's Ren and Stimpy is today's Spongebob Squarepants.

Same ****. Different Day.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Ryona

Yes.
Drtooth is just being a smartass.

Ah, I thought it was more of a comment on how Saturday Morning Cartoons are eroding in the U.S.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Ryona

Boom. Right there. That's what I'm talking about. Spitfire is right on the ball.
This is what I mean when I say most cartoons today are very hollow and uninteresting.

I actually tend to agree. Outside of the new Spider-man, the other 2 cartoons we've got are craptacular.

Yes.
Drtooth is just being a smartass.

And not being from Canada, I should automatically know about their animation airings.... how? Saturdays in the US are just The CW, ABC, CBS, and NBC... And out of the 2, only CW and CBS are the only ones that have original programming, and ABC and CBS just re-air old episodes of stuff/ stuff they run on other networks they own. They can satiate the FCC and not spend a dime. It's win win for them. And lest we forget, Fox is out of the running (Have fun airing 1990's nature shows at 5 am on Sunday morning, guys). Of course, if you have cable, sure... Nick and CN... maybe Nicktoons, Boomerange, Disney DX if you have satillite. Canada has stuff like Teletoon and all that. The US doesn't.