Fellow fans, DON'T accept 2nd rate releases! Make your voices heard! (TMNT DVDs)

GodzFire · 02-09-2009, 04:07 PM

I've wanted to say this for awhile now, but in the past I've stayed silent because I didn't think I could make a difference, but no more.

To anyone saying we should be happy with what we are getting and forget about the couple missing episodes, messed up set releases, and lack of other extras, let me ask you this:

How would you like it if I gave you a car, the kind you've always wanted, and have dreamed about for years. Unfortunately, you have to wait many years before all of it arrives. When you are close to the end, they then tell you it's missing the key ignition and the red wire to the engine. They lost the parts. So you have a car that you can't even use. Tell me, how would you feel?

People, this is the ONLY time we have to make sure Lionsgate gets their damn act together. Keep in mind TMNT was one of, if not the LONGEST running action cartoon ever. It essentially defined a part of history for children, and made huge amounts of money.

To see how Lionsgate has treated these releases makes me sick.
- Have we forgotten that they originally planned only to release Season 1 in that crappy, cut-up, and edited "The Saga Begins", before some people originally a part of the show and fans bitched them out?
- Did you enjoy having the laughable excuse of the only "Special Features" on the first few releases being "Full Screen” and “2.0 Audio Tracks”? Those aren’t even features, they are Audio/Video presentation. For a series that had countless toy promos, TV commercials, and books; none are being included.
- Do you like the recycled cover-art and bare-bones packaging they created for our beloved series one and only release?
- Can you honestly say that the COMPLETE OMISSION of not one or two, but over TEN EPISODES, which might never be released is fair?

Look, I loved this show. It WAS my childhood, and something I cherish to this very day. It deserves better than this.

So, I am asking all of you, to take a stand with me and tell Lionsgate that you need to get your act together, let the people who will be BUYING these releases be your guide, and put out sets that you have pride in.

Now, are you with me?

Archon_Turtle · 02-09-2009, 04:13 PM

oh man...Was the national anthem playing in the background of anyone elses head while they were reading that post?

GodzFire · 02-09-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

oh man...Was the national anthem playing in the background of anyone elses head while they were reading that post?

I kinda felt that way when I was writing it

joe-eyeball · 02-09-2009, 04:26 PM

The car analogy isn't strong enough for me.

Archon, for me it wasn't the national anthem. It was Lee Greenwood's "Proud to be an American".

*Ninjinister* · 02-09-2009, 04:40 PM

I'm happy with the Lionsgates releases. There, I said it. Eff anyone who hates me because of such.

X · 02-09-2009, 04:47 PM

Like I said in the other post, be thankful we've gotten this far with the OT.

Ducktales, The Tick, Darkwing Duck, C.O.P.S., Inspector Gadget, are all shows I own on DVD that can't get finished.

Top that off with the fact Disney is releasing the 90's X-Men, so what does that mean? They get to the last 10 episodes and decide not to put them out?

I'd rather be missing the episode that is my favorite OT episode, then miss out on the European episodes which number more then a scant 2.

How was 10 episodes not included again, because with 27 episodes of season 7, that would have to include the European episodes. My count so far would peg us at 3 missing episodes (pending you break one of them into two ie POTT.)

*Spitfire* · 02-09-2009, 04:51 PM

Uh yeah I don't know where these 10 episodes are coming from.

Also like X said other shows have had worse treatment.

GodzFire · 02-09-2009, 05:00 PM

How many of those shows you listed were as popular as TMNT? How many shows spawned a huge merchandise line. How many shows were a staple of TV for over 7 YEARS and spanned almost 200 episodes?

This isn't "just another show"

PS- I like the "Proud To Be An American" best

*Spitfire* · 02-09-2009, 05:03 PM

You've still failed to answer the question about what 10 episodes.

And while on the subject Spider-man and X-men were just as popular as turtles when it was out, at least in my area, and it's had a **** DVD treatment. It wasn't till just recently they announced an X-men DVD set and Spider-man is still no where to be found.

*Ninjinister* · 02-09-2009, 05:08 PM

*Cipher* · 02-09-2009, 05:48 PM

I am mildly irritated that Season Seven will be split up, but whatever the need to do to keep the releases profitable, I suppose. I am a little irritated that three (not ten) episodes may go missing, but it's not like there aren't ways to see them. I could do with some better cover art, but as long as the content's there, it's fine. The extra features have been increasingly great, so no complaints there.

Meanwhile African children continue to starve.

LeoNerdo · 02-09-2009, 06:17 PM

to me these sets are also just a minor annoyance. they could easily remedy this by putting together a smaller, inclusive package...i really just dont want them to take up so much space. also they've still got time to get the 3 missing eps on dvd, so there's still hope. and hooray for european vacation, ive never seen them.

NoPressApril · 02-09-2009, 06:31 PM

More than likely these single releases are simply leading up to an all inclusive $300.00 "complete series" with more extras than we can imagine and all of the missing episodes anyway, ala Time Life's Real Ghostbusters set. And people will freak out, tho i'm kinda looking forward to it (the set not the freaking out). I got the deluxe Charmed complete series for X-mas in the life size replica of the book of shadows and it's one of the coolest things i've ever owned so if they can make the OT in an awesome box set maybe shaped like the technodrome or whatever it's gonna make these single releases seem obsolete anyway. In my opinion these incomplete, out of order seasons are just placeholders.

X · 02-09-2009, 07:01 PM

Many shows on DVD have been popular during their runs on TV, not just cartoons, but get trashed due to bad sales on DVD.

Take Night Court. Popular show, but since season 1 didn't sell well, they were hesitant on season 2.

X-Men got announced, but since it is Disney, I don't look forward to completing yet another cartoon series, that I truly loved. They've screwed me and countless others on their releases that I am scared, but will buy the volumes in hopes they actually finish something they commit to.

TMNT OT probably sells as well as the current cartoon due in part to the fact there are only so many fans out there.

I'm sure if there were more people supporting TMNT, we wouldn't be worried about each new season, year to year, being made.

Look, I like TMNT as much as the next guy, but Lionsgate hasn't given up on us, despite sales of their DVD's favoring a certain minority. That to me, is impressive.

I'm more worried about the current TMNT on DVD then I am the old toon. Lionsgate seems to keep us in the know, while we twiddle our thumbs, trying to guess when we'll get season 3 and 4 proper, as well as season 8, as well as info on any potential new season of the show, and the DTV movie.

You want to talk about shows that number past 200... Look at Transformers. When has it ever had a break? It went from G1 to BW to BM to Robots in Disguise, followed by Armada, Energon, Cybertron, and now Animated.

TMNT had a 5 year break in between shows.

Transformers is Transformers, just as TMNT is TMNT. TF has TMNT beat in number of episodes, and it won't stop. So you can't say that TMNT is more popular then anything else from the 80's, because their are a few more out there. Oh and look at the TF releases. They only release G1 for a limited time due to Rhino losing the liscense, and we were promised in late 2006 that a re-release of G1 would come and it didn't. Now look at Lionsgate, still releasing the OT, where TF G1 can't even get a re-release for those looking to get their hands on them.

Gotta look at both sides of the street.

*ToTheNines* · 02-09-2009, 07:11 PM

I don't have any major complaints, other that season 7... which is just ****ed up.

GodzFire · 02-09-2009, 07:15 PM

@ The Ninjinister: Stop whining? Maybe you should start caring more. Once they are done with these, they aren't going to fix them in another release down the road. We either speak up now, or take whatever is shoveled to us.

@ Cipher: Your Africa comment is out of context. Hundreds will die from diseases in developing countries that could have been saved. Paris Hilton was born into fame and can screw up as much as she wants but will never be broke.

I lost my job in December due to the economy. I was downsized simply because my position was eliminated, and I was the person working it at the time. A guy who just started only 2 months ago, who was to take the shift that next month, is still there. Life isn't fair, I know that.

The Terror of Death · 02-09-2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GodzFire

Now, are you with me?

I'm with you man but whats your big plan? I doubt Lionsgates is going to listen to one angry letter or email.

*ToTheNines* · 02-09-2009, 07:35 PM

I'm just gonna start looking for Planet of The Turtleoids on VHS. Only problem is, amazon has one copy for like 30 bucks.

NoPressApril · 02-09-2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GodzFire

Once they are done with these, they aren't going to fix them in another release down the road. We either speak up now, or take whatever is shoveled to us.

If Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman can have a complete series boxset i'm pretty sure TMNT can.

Quote:

Originally Posted by X

Many shows on DVD have been popular during their runs on TV, not just cartoons, but get trashed due to bad sales on DVD.

Tell me about it. I'm still waiting to find out if season three of George Lopez (it's my favorite show) is ever going to be available on DVD. It's maddening.

*Ninjinister* · 02-09-2009, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GodzFire

@ The Ninjinister: Stop whining? Maybe you should start caring more. Once they are done with these, they aren't going to fix them in another release down the road. We either speak up now, or take whatever is shoveled to us.

Holy mother of God, caring about what? I grew up with the Turtles cartoon, it shaped my life, and I even see Splinter as a second father or mentor of sorts. So the cartoon isn't being released to your specifications. Do you think Lionsgate gives a poo?

02-09-2009, 04:07 PM	#1
GodzFire Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Sewers Posts: 292	Fellow fans, DON'T accept 2nd rate releases! Make your voices heard! (TMNT DVDs) I've wanted to say this for awhile now, but in the past I've stayed silent because I didn't think I could make a difference, but no more. To anyone saying we should be happy with what we are getting and forget about the couple missing episodes, messed up set releases, and lack of other extras, let me ask you this: How would you like it if I gave you a car, the kind you've always wanted, and have dreamed about for years. Unfortunately, you have to wait many years before all of it arrives. When you are close to the end, they then tell you it's missing the key ignition and the red wire to the engine. They lost the parts. So you have a car that you can't even use. Tell me, how would you feel? People, this is the ONLY time we have to make sure Lionsgate gets their damn act together. Keep in mind TMNT was one of, if not the LONGEST running action cartoon ever. It essentially defined a part of history for children, and made huge amounts of money. To see how Lionsgate has treated these releases makes me sick. - Have we forgotten that they originally planned only to release Season 1 in that crappy, cut-up, and edited "The Saga Begins", before some people originally a part of the show and fans bitched them out? - Did you enjoy having the laughable excuse of the only "Special Features" on the first few releases being "Full Screen” and “2.0 Audio Tracks”? Those aren’t even features, they are Audio/Video presentation. For a series that had countless toy promos, TV commercials, and books; none are being included. - Do you like the recycled cover-art and bare-bones packaging they created for our beloved series one and only release? - Can you honestly say that the COMPLETE OMISSION of not one or two, but over TEN EPISODES, which might never be released is fair? Look, I loved this show. It WAS my childhood, and something I cherish to this very day. It deserves better than this. So, I am asking all of you, to take a stand with me and tell Lionsgate that you need to get your act together, let the people who will be BUYING these releases be your guide, and put out sets that you have pride in. Now, are you with me?

02-09-2009, 04:40 PM	#5
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	I'm happy with the Lionsgates releases. There, I said it. Eff anyone who hates me because of such. __________________

02-09-2009, 04:47 PM	#6
X Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 767	Like I said in the other post, be thankful we've gotten this far with the OT. Ducktales, The Tick, Darkwing Duck, C.O.P.S., Inspector Gadget, are all shows I own on DVD that can't get finished. Top that off with the fact Disney is releasing the 90's X-Men, so what does that mean? They get to the last 10 episodes and decide not to put them out? I'd rather be missing the episode that is my favorite OT episode, then miss out on the European episodes which number more then a scant 2. How was 10 episodes not included again, because with 27 episodes of season 7, that would have to include the European episodes. My count so far would peg us at 3 missing episodes (pending you break one of them into two ie POTT.) __________________ "Wisemen say, forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for a late pizza."

02-09-2009, 04:51 PM	#7
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	Uh yeah I don't know where these 10 episodes are coming from. Also like X said other shows have had worse treatment. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

02-09-2009, 05:03 PM	#9
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	You've still failed to answer the question about what 10 episodes. And while on the subject Spider-man and X-men were just as popular as turtles when it was out, at least in my area, and it's had a ** DVD treatment. It wasn't till just recently they announced an X-men DVD set and Spider-man is still no where to be found. __________________ Check out my online portfolio** http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

02-09-2009, 04:13 PM	#2
Archon_Turtle I'm SUPER into myself Join Date: May 2004 Location: California Posts: 4,667	oh man...Was the national anthem playing in the background of anyone elses head while they were reading that post?

02-09-2009, 04:26 PM	#4
joe-eyeball Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cleveland Posts: 708	The car analogy isn't strong enough for me. Archon, for me it wasn't the national anthem. It was Lee Greenwood's "Proud to be an American".

02-09-2009, 05:00 PM	#8
GodzFire Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Sewers Posts: 292	How many of those shows you listed were as popular as TMNT? How many shows spawned a huge merchandise line. How many shows were a staple of TV for over 7 YEARS and spanned almost 200 episodes? This isn't "just another show" PS- I like the "Proud To Be An American" best

02-09-2009, 05:08 PM	#10
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	__________________

02-09-2009, 05:48 PM	#11
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	I am mildly irritated that Season Seven will be split up, but whatever the need to do to keep the releases profitable, I suppose. I am a little irritated that three (not ten) episodes may go missing, but it's not like there aren't ways to see them. I could do with some better cover art, but as long as the content's there, it's fine. The extra features have been increasingly great, so no complaints there. Meanwhile African children continue to starve.

02-09-2009, 06:17 PM	#12
LeoNerdo Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 872	to me these sets are also just a minor annoyance. they could easily remedy this by putting together a smaller, inclusive package...i really just dont want them to take up so much space. also they've still got time to get the 3 missing eps on dvd, so there's still hope. and hooray for european vacation, ive never seen them.

02-09-2009, 06:31 PM	#13
NoPressApril Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: as far away from reality as possible Posts: 307	More than likely these single releases are simply leading up to an all inclusive $300.00 "complete series" with more extras than we can imagine and all of the missing episodes anyway, ala Time Life's Real Ghostbusters set. And people will freak out, tho i'm kinda looking forward to it (the set not the freaking out). I got the deluxe Charmed complete series for X-mas in the life size replica of the book of shadows and it's one of the coolest things i've ever owned so if they can make the OT in an awesome box set maybe shaped like the technodrome or whatever it's gonna make these single releases seem obsolete anyway. In my opinion these incomplete, out of order seasons are just placeholders.

02-09-2009, 07:01 PM	#14
X Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 767	Many shows on DVD have been popular during their runs on TV, not just cartoons, but get trashed due to bad sales on DVD. Take Night Court. Popular show, but since season 1 didn't sell well, they were hesitant on season 2. X-Men got announced, but since it is Disney, I don't look forward to completing yet another cartoon series, that I truly loved. They've screwed me and countless others on their releases that I am scared, but will buy the volumes in hopes they actually finish something they commit to. TMNT OT probably sells as well as the current cartoon due in part to the fact there are only so many fans out there. I'm sure if there were more people supporting TMNT, we wouldn't be worried about each new season, year to year, being made. Look, I like TMNT as much as the next guy, but Lionsgate hasn't given up on us, despite sales of their DVD's favoring a certain minority. That to me, is impressive. I'm more worried about the current TMNT on DVD then I am the old toon. Lionsgate seems to keep us in the know, while we twiddle our thumbs, trying to guess when we'll get season 3 and 4 proper, as well as season 8, as well as info on any potential new season of the show, and the DTV movie. You want to talk about shows that number past 200... Look at Transformers. When has it ever had a break? It went from G1 to BW to BM to Robots in Disguise, followed by Armada, Energon, Cybertron, and now Animated. TMNT had a 5 year break in between shows. Transformers is Transformers, just as TMNT is TMNT. TF has TMNT beat in number of episodes, and it won't stop. So you can't say that TMNT is more popular then anything else from the 80's, because their are a few more out there. Oh and look at the TF releases. They only release G1 for a limited time due to Rhino losing the liscense, and we were promised in late 2006 that a re-release of G1 would come and it didn't. Now look at Lionsgate, still releasing the OT, where TF G1 can't even get a re-release for those looking to get their hands on them. Gotta look at both sides of the street. __________________ "Wisemen say, forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for a late pizza."

02-09-2009, 07:11 PM	#15
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,341	I don't have any major complaints, other that season 7... which is just ****ed up.

02-09-2009, 07:15 PM	#16
GodzFire Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Sewers Posts: 292	@ The Ninjinister: Stop whining? Maybe you should start caring more. Once they are done with these, they aren't going to fix them in another release down the road. We either speak up now, or take whatever is shoveled to us. @ Cipher: Your Africa comment is out of context. Hundreds will die from diseases in developing countries that could have been saved. Paris Hilton was born into fame and can screw up as much as she wants but will never be broke. I lost my job in December due to the economy. I was downsized simply because my position was eliminated, and I was the person working it at the time. A guy who just started only 2 months ago, who was to take the shift that next month, is still there. Life isn't fair, I know that.

02-09-2009, 07:35 PM	#18
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,341	I'm just gonna start looking for Planet of The Turtleoids on VHS. Only problem is, amazon has one copy for like 30 bucks.