Watchmen Director loves Turtles

[ZariusTwo]

None of Moore's comics should be movies. Sadly, any moron who sees the Watchmen film will just think that defines the whole story. They truley don't "get" it.

[MaC]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

None of Moore's comics should be movies. Sadly, any moron who sees the Watchmen film will just think that defines the whole story. They truley don't "get" it.

I agree with you, and so does Alan Moore. LXG, V for Vendetta, and From Hell are mediocre to effing-terrible movies and he had this to say about him participating in movies based off his work

"If someone is going to kill one of my babies, I don't want to be the one holding the knife"

With Watchmen, while there are so many amazing facets to it, the sum is greater then the pieces. And for each element of the comic stripped away or toned down or pumped up for the average movie audience, that is a drastic decrease in the quality of the work. Losing the Black Freighter parallel hurts. Amped up Slow Motion fighting hurts. Rorscach using Bale's atrocious Batman voice hurts.

I'm happy for all the sales it brought the OGN, but sad that so many people are going to see this..thing instead of experiencing the graphic novel, which is truly a work of art.

[Browncoat]

Even Swamp-Thing?!

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

None of Moore's comics should be movies.

[MaC]

Originally Posted by Browncoat

Even Swamp-Thing?!

Moore didn't create that one, but his run on that was so much more phenominal then either of the two Swamp Thing movies could ever come close to recreating. It just couldn't be done on any other medium aside from comics.

[Browncoat]

Originally Posted by MaC

Moore didn't create that one, but his run on that was so much more phenominal then either of the two Swamp Thing movies could ever come close to recreating. It just couldn't be done on any other medium aside from comics.

yeah but you didn't say creation

and I actually thought the V For Vendetta film was MUCH better than the book.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Cipher

It doesn't matter. He's high profile and has been involved with reasonably accurate comic-to-screen translations.

He's made like 5 movies his entire career he's far from high profile. James Cameron is high profile. Steven Spielberg, Danny Boyle is now high profile, Chris Nolan is high profile...you get the point. This guys made two movies that anyone's heard of and neither of them were well received and only one of which was a box office success.

He was handed Watchmen, just like other no names are handed big projects like Terminator or remakes for movies. The studio doesn't care who makes it they just want it out in theaters. They want a nice looking trailer that will get people into the movies.

I'm sure Watchmen will do well, heck it might even be good, but that far from qualifies him as high profile. Also just for the hell of it I checked his filmography and he think he's doing like 5 movies next year. Either those are going to be really ****** movies or only one of them is going to make it into production.

[joe-eyeball]

You know its really annoying when people compain and say: Oh, such and such should never be into a movie, or That movie sucked when compared to the book. No Sh!t. It is pretty much impossible for a film to be better than the original source material, yet people will still complain when the film doesn't measure up. When you have spent the last 23 years appreciating a work like Watchmen, which is great, it is not likely that anything created after that, trying to be that is going to ever come close to the legendary and lofty expectations fans have for such material. I mean who cares who directed Watchmen because I'm not convinced Hollywood bigwigs would ever give a director enough control to get it as close to the graphic novel as possible. Its all about money and a direct interpretation of Watchmen would not make as much at the box office as some Hollywood version. That is reality, just accept it.

[MaC]

Originally Posted by joe-eyeball

You know its really annoying when people compain and say: Oh, such and such should never be into a movie, or That movie sucked when compared to the book. No Sh!t. It is pretty much impossible for a film to be better than the original source material, yet people will still complain when the film doesn't measure up. When you have spent the last 23 years appreciating a work like Watchmen, which is great, it is not likely that anything created after that, trying to be that is going to ever come close to the legendary and lofty expectations fans have for such material. I mean who cares who directed Watchmen because I'm not convinced Hollywood bigwigs would ever give a director enough control to get it as close to the graphic novel as possible. Its all about money and a direct interpretation of Watchmen would not make as much at the box office as some Hollywood version. That is reality, just accept it.

Steven Spielburg gets Final Cut on every one of his movies. Also, I liked his adaptation of Jaws much more then the novel.

Also, when you take something great that has a massive following and is one of the most praised and awarded pieces of art in its medium, and put out a dumbed-down slow-motion filled festival of mediocrity, people will and they SHOULD complain in addition to voting with their wallets. That is reality.

[joe-eyeball]

MaC, I agree that people can complain and they even probably should complain, but it will fall on deaf ears. That is because its all about the money. Oh and Speilberg has the power because he is also the producer as well. I also would bet that your first exposure to Jaws was the film and not the book, so in your mind nothing could compare, but this could not be the case with Watchmen as this will be the first film interpretation. You know as well as I do that many people who go see the film will later on read the book and say the book sucks. Hollywood knows that too, hence why we are going to get te dumbed down, slow motion, filled Zack Snyder directed film. Again, thats reality.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by joe-eyeball

You know its really annoying when people compain and say: Oh, such and such should never be into a movie, or That movie sucked when compared to the book. No Sh!t. It is pretty much impossible for a film to be better than the original source material, yet people will still complain when the film doesn't measure up. When you have spent the last 23 years appreciating a work like Watchmen, which is great, it is not likely that anything created after that, trying to be that is going to ever come close to the legendary and lofty expectations fans have for such material. I mean who cares who directed Watchmen because I'm not convinced Hollywood bigwigs would ever give a director enough control to get it as close to the graphic novel as possible. Its all about money and a direct interpretation of Watchmen would not make as much at the box office as some Hollywood version. That is reality, just accept it.

They could make any movie they wanted, as long as they advertised it properly it would sweep the box offices. People fall for trailers way to easily but it works. Trailer editing is actually a career option for editors, it's an acquired skill. They can take a movie that's about one thing and make it look completely different in the trailer. I've so many times seen a drama movie advertised as an action flick.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

They could make any movie they wanted, as long as they advertised it properly it would sweep the box offices. People fall for trailers way to easily but it works. Trailer editing is actually a career option for editors, it's an acquired skill. They can take a movie that's about one thing and make it look completely different in the trailer. I've so many times seen a drama movie advertised as an action flick.

Case and point, watch this trailer:


Hard to believe the movie is really more like this:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The premise of the movie is Chuck is a "good luck charm" lover. That is, women will find their "one true love" after having sex with him. He then meets a girl who he thinks is his true love.

and has Dane Cook, not trying to love an absolute klutz, but not lose said klutz, because he is cursed to sleep with a girl and then lose her to the next man she's with.

A TRAILER CAN BE MADE TO MAKE ANY MOVIE LOOK TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT TRULY IS AND EVEN...GASP...LOOK GOOD.

I hope that isn't the case with Watchmen.

[malpractice]

hopefully they never let that hack near a turtles movie.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Browncoat

Even Swamp-Thing?!

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...'Nuff said.

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by malpractice

hopefully they never let that hack near a turtles movie.

Are you serious? They did on four seperate occasions. The first time they lucked out on a dude that directed mostly music videos and made a decent movie. The other times, not so much. ( Kevin Munroe in my opinion was a hack so bam)
AS for this Snyder dude Dawn of the Dead was decent. 300 was decent as well, I rather enjoyed the Queen subplot cuz ya know a bunch of oiled up muscley dudes decapitaing people left and right in slow motion gets a bit tedious after a while. Niether were great. I'm hoping Watchmen will be good but it's a shame the Black Freighter bits won't be included in theaters, but it makes sense due to time constraints. I am a bit bothered by Ozymandias's and the Silk Spectre's costumes though, something resembling the comic would have been nice, although I could see why they went for that look on Silk Spectre.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by malpractice

hopefully they never let that hack near a turtles movie.

Yeah because the Ninja Turtle "franchise" is in a position to be picky.

[MaC]

Originally Posted by joe-eyeball

MaC, I agree that people can complain and they even probably should complain, but it will fall on deaf ears. That is because its all about the money. Oh and Speilberg has the power because he is also the producer as well. I also would bet that your first exposure to Jaws was the film and not the book, so in your mind nothing could compare, but this could not be the case with Watchmen as this will be the first film interpretation. You know as well as I do that many people who go see the film will later on read the book and say the book sucks. Hollywood knows that too, hence why we are going to get te dumbed down, slow motion, filled Zack Snyder directed film. Again, thats reality.

Actually, I first read Jaws. I had a major shark obsession as a kid and my aunt was big into giving out books. I thought the subplot with Brody's wife and Richard Drefuss' character was unneeded and was really shocked at how much better the characters were portrayed in the movie. And the tone was vastly superior, where the novel was straight horror/drama the movie became horror and then later action/adventure during the shark hunt. But, I did see Jurassic Park before reading the book, and again I felt JP was superior because that sort of story lends itself really well to film.

And yeah, it is reality that some people will read the book and say "Well thats dumb" and sadly, thats the cycle we are in. Mindless action flicks are popular and make money. But I can't get annoyed or mad at folk voicing their opinion against the movie, because every little bit helps, though it may not show. That's not to say people pissing and moaning online will change anything. But that voice should always be present and should never just roll over.

Jester and Spitfire are also VERY VERY on point with the marketing thing. Go back and watch some of the trailers for Spidey 3 for instance. Those trailers had me so pumped for a dark and dramatic movie and I got to theaters and it was Parker dancing.

I dunno, I have the mind of never accepting something really weak when it could be so much better.

And @shuriken regarding the Queen subplot. The placing of her final scene really bothered me,

Spoiler:

because she spurs Sparta into action to go fight the Persians, but the entire point of that story is that those oiled up slow motion Warriors fought and died willingly to light a fire under the rear of Sparta and get them to war. But in the movie, the Queen handled that. So instead of fighting and getting slaughtered, the 300 could have just went home, met up with the massive spartan army, and won.

[ZariusTwo]

Black Frieghter isnt in this?

I'm not touching this trainwreck.

[TristanHuwJones]

Originally Posted by shuriken

Are you serious? They did on four seperate occasions. The first time they lucked out on a dude that directed mostly music videos and made a decent movie. The other times, not so much. ( Kevin Munroe in my opinion was a hack so bam)

They didn't really luck out. Steve Barron was part of the Jim Henson Creature Shop, so I'm pretty sure someone backed by Jim Henon is someone worth trusting a film to.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

They didn't really luck out. Steve Barron was part of the Jim Henson Creature Shop, so I'm pretty sure someone backed by Jim Henon is someone worth trusting a film to.

I'd def. say so, well if it's backed by some one who knew Jim.
The Hensons these days spend to much time making crappy cgi direct to dvd kids movies.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Are you kidding me? This guys a horrible director. 300 was a disaster and if Watchmen is good I'll be surprised.

A disaster? It's an exciting movie. It accomplished what it set out to do, which was to be an action packed movie with interesting visuals. If you aren't a fan of Frank Miller, it's understandable that the movie won't thrill you too much. There are bits of that movie and the book where it just comes off as typical Frank Miller and I kind of a bit.

Dawn of the Dead was a remake that didn't suck, too, when most horror movie remakes do.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Black Frieghter isnt in this?

I'm not touching this trainwreck.

There's an animated movie coming out.

I'm not surprised it was cut. You can get through the main point of the book without it. It's kind of like a nice little extra that makes the comic that much more detailed.