TMNT rogues gallery expansion

Dragon Turtle · 03-02-2009, 12:13 AM

With Hun and several more new villains set to appear in the comics later this year, what type of new villains would people like to see the turtles face, or what direction should existing villains be taken in.

I always thought it would be great to see each of the turtles get their own individual nemesis, creating new story possibilities and advancing each turtle's own character developement.

I would like to see the Foot Clan removed from the street crime level threat that they have, for the most part, been portrayed as, and placed into more high level types of operations, they could own a worldwide monopoly on espionage and black ops.

Leave the street crime to the gangs and other organized crime syndicates, such as the mafias, triads, and Yakuza, all of which can be developed into their own individual threats.

*CyberCubed* · 03-02-2009, 12:25 AM

If you're talking about the Mirage comics, why not bring in Armaggon? Didn't Peter Laird create him? I always wished to see him in something else, like the old or new toon, the toys, but it never happened.

Anyway, the Mirage comics rogues gallery is abysmal. Its almost all one-shot aliens or monsters.

At least the 80's cartoon, the 2k3 series, and the Archie series had a rogues gallery worth mentioning.

Mirage continuity on the other hand is sad.

trustno1 · 03-02-2009, 12:58 AM

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Anyway, the Mirage comics rogues gallery is abysmal. Its almost all one-shot aliens or monsters.

and what was armaggon?

*Ninjinister* · 03-02-2009, 01:00 AM

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and what was armaggon?

None of the above.

trustno1 · 03-02-2009, 01:03 AM

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None of the above.

sorry, i was thinking of war for a moment there (not sure why). still a mutant shark man isn't far off from "monster".

*CyberCubed* · 03-02-2009, 08:47 PM

The point is all the one-shots in the Mirage universe are usually resolved at the end of the issue. There is no on-going rogues gallery like the other TMNT universes have:

- Shredder: Killed in first issue. His clone is killed by Issue 23.
- Karai: Forms a true with the Turtles
- Baxter, in second appearance turns himself into a cyborg and is defeated, only a brief cameo in Vol. 4.
- Rat King, dies in first issue. Becomes spiritual
- Leatherhead, becomes a good guy
- Savanti Romero, ok I suppose you can count him
- Triceratons, fine, but they appear too irregularly. They never invaded the Earth like the 2k3 series did.

And in all seriousness, who else is there besides various Foot Clan members like Cha Ocho and the like?

The rogues gallery for the two cartoons and the Archie series is far superior.

trustno1 · 03-02-2009, 09:11 PM

why dont you stop raggin on the mirage comics not having villains until you have seen what is coming. tristan and dan both said there are more villains being set up in the next few months. i would rather have decent character development than have villains spat at me each week. the OT and new toon also had far more stories than the mirage comics and even then archie poached half of their villains from the OT. everyone knows that the mirage universe lacks villains. the point of this thread is finding out what people are interesetd in seeing in villains. mirage are actually doing something about it but you do not seem to give two *****.

and wait. savanti counts in his three appearances but the whole return of the shredder and return to new york stories don't? karai has been in and out of the comics constantly since city at war. leatherhead was never a villain. baxter had almost the entire vol.2 devoted to him.

its not as though they could not put more villains in. murphy was the main writer of tales and while he introduced some villains most of his stories were one-shots. his stories were usually very good but they did not often involve reusable villains (or they did but he chose to tell other stories).

*Ninjinister* · 03-02-2009, 09:12 PM

Leatherhead never was a villain in Mirage dude >.< In fact, he never even fought the Turtles until his second appearance, when he had just gone nuts. He befriended them prior to that.

*Cipher* · 03-02-2009, 09:15 PM

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And in all seriousness, who else is there besides various Foot Clan members like Cha Ocho and the like?

As far as I'm aware, here's the recurring villain list for Mirage:

- Foot Clan (Officially have a truce with the TMNT but conflict still exists with various members and mystics.)
- Complete Carnage (Still at large. Killed by Leonardo in the far flung future.)
- Savanti Romero (Still at large.)
- Triceratons (Like the Foot, at peace with the TMNT on the surface)
- Oroku Saki Shark (Still at large. And hey, closest thing to Armaggon we'll see.)
- Cha Ocho (Still has feud with Leo.)
- Razorback (Little is known about him or if he's active by the Volume 4 era.)
- Hunter Mason (Ditto.)
- Xihadists, Vampire gang, Nexus Warriors

Plus various one-shot Tales villains which could reappear.

So it's not exactly dead, but the existing villains don't seem to be used very much (Carnage has been grossly overlooked) and there could be a few more. I know Tristan's been saying he plans to introdruce more villains, which is cool.

Here's the thing though, and I'm paraphrasing someone's post in another thread: Mirage TMNT is less about the Turtles fighting villains, and more about the Turtles trying to live their lives, trying to be normal in a completely surreal world. I'm all for more villains and action, but I wouldn't want them to lose that down-to-Earth aspect that comes from not fighting crime. That's what I love about the comics.

Dragon Turtle · 03-02-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The point is all the one-shots in the Mirage universe are usually resolved at the end of the issue. There is no on-going rogues gallery like the other TMNT universes have:

The point of this thread is to brainstorm new ideas for new villains or moving the development of older villains beyond one-dimensional status for the future of the TMNT franchise, not to compare and debate the different TMNT Universe villains. If you have any new ideas or suggestions, feel free to post them.

TristanHuwJones · 03-02-2009, 09:29 PM

Hunter Mason will appear in three issues of Tales, Lin will appear in three, Diamondback (from #36) will appear again this year, Razorback will appear, as will other villains (but if I say, I spoil, so sorry). The Elite that was mangled at the end of #36 will also be back. Complete Carnage has appeared a few times now (another villain I'd love to use). Baxter is also back in Don's mini-series.

Dan also brought back the magi from the original Tales. I don't have them onhand unfortunately, but someone here knows what I'm talking about. The Thieving God Idol followed by the Werewolf dimension one (art by Andie Tong).

If Tales continues, you can bet your arse they'll all be back, as will the villains that have appeared and will appear in Dan's stories. As long as everyone feels THE STORIES are appropriate (what Cipher said about the focus of the comics is spot on). You can have new villains, but you can't force them.

Anyway, villains are coming and hopefully they'll stay. Bottom line is, without support, you're right, the books are done for and those villains become one/two/three-shots.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 03-02-2009, 09:53 PM

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I always thought it would be great to see each of the turtles get their own individual nemesis, creating new story possibilities and advancing each turtle's own character developement.

I love that idea.

Although I know it's next to nill, I would LOVE to use the Battle Nexus to bring villains from other universes to meet the turtles.

Tempestra from the original toon always had some potential, and could be used as a sort of elemental witch like character the turtles could face

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Since she seems to control all the elements (Air, Water, Lightning, etc)

turkishproverb · 03-02-2009, 10:05 PM

How about an evil Utrom in a larger than life exoskeleton, leading an army of evil robots and mutants?

Dragon Turtle · 03-02-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

Hunter Mason will appear in three issues of Tales, Lin will appear in three, Diamondback (from #36) will appear again this year, Razorback will appear, as will other villains (but if I say, I spoil, so sorry). The Elite that was mangled at the end of #36 will also be back. Complete Carnage has appeared a few times now (another villain I'd love to use). Baxter is also back in Don's mini-series.

Will more of Razorback's past and motivations be revealed in upcoming issues of tales?

So Baxter is coming back, that's nice, I always liked how Baxter was his own villain in the Mirage comics, and he makes an excellent arch-nemesis for Donatello. And hopefully the Mangled Elite Foot Ninja can inject some personality into the Foot Elite.

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I love that idea.

Although I know it's next to nill, I would LOVE to use the Battle Nexus to bring villains from other universes to meet the turtles.

Tempestra from the original toon always had some potential, and could be used as a sort of elemental witch like character the turtles could face

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Since she seems to control all the elements (Air, Water, Lightning, etc)

The Battle Nexus could be used introduce new villains, in fact I believe it's a given, although I would also like to see new allies introduced, the turtles could use more of them as well.

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Originally Posted by turkishproverb

How about an evil Utrom in a larger than life exoskeleton, leading an army of evil robots and mutants?

If he's interesting, then I say why not.

*CyberCubed* · 03-02-2009, 10:59 PM

Baxter was always underused in the comics.

Yet another example of both cartoons taking full potential of an underused character from the comics. I swear, Pete and the other Mirage dudes could learn a thing or two from the cartoon writers.

There also needs to be more mobsters in the comics. Like the ones in the Image series who kidnapped Shadow.

TristanHuwJones · 03-03-2009, 06:07 AM

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Will more of Razorback's past and motivations be revealed in upcoming issues of tales?

So Baxter is coming back, that's nice, I always liked how Baxter was his own villain in the Mirage comics, and he makes an excellent arch-nemesis for Donatello. And hopefully the Mangled Elite Foot Ninja can inject some personality into the Foot Elite.

Razorback is still something of an enigma, but I do have a big backstory that will be hinted at on the last page of #61. In my mind, it ties into why you don't see any superheroes in a world you know they exist in. But that's something for later (if things go well this year).

The Mangled Elite is more of a cameo at the moment, but when you see where he is placed and think about the situation it puts a new slant on certain characters and a big question mark over the intentions of others.

*Coola Yagami* · 03-03-2009, 07:40 PM

Pardon my ignorance... who's Razorback?

*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 03-03-2009, 09:16 PM

I think it would be really cool to see Rocksteady and Bebop in the comics. Less goofy versions, of course. Not sure what their origin would be like. I've heard that there would be some kind of rights issue that would keep them out of the Mirage comic, though.

Maybe Tokka and Rhazar, then?

TristanHuwJones · 03-03-2009, 09:25 PM

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I think it would be really cool to see Rocksteady and Bebop in the comics. Less goofy versions, of course. Not sure what their origin would be like. I've heard that there would be some kind of rights issue that would keep them out of the Mirage comic, though.

Pitched it, but no dice. I think I posted the pitch on my blog about a month ago...

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Pardon my ignorance... who's Razorback?

Go grab Tales of the TMNT #50, he'll also be in #61.

*CyberCubed* · 03-03-2009, 09:37 PM

The day Peter Laird ever lets Rocksteady/Bebop into Mirage continuity is the day hell freezes over.

03-02-2009, 12:13 AM	#1
Dragon Turtle Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Standing behind you. Posts: 776	TMNT rogues gallery expansion With Hun and several more new villains set to appear in the comics later this year, what type of new villains would people like to see the turtles face, or what direction should existing villains be taken in. I always thought it would be great to see each of the turtles get their own individual nemesis, creating new story possibilities and advancing each turtle's own character developement. I would like to see the Foot Clan removed from the street crime level threat that they have, for the most part, been portrayed as, and placed into more high level types of operations, they could own a worldwide monopoly on espionage and black ops. Leave the street crime to the gangs and other organized crime syndicates, such as the mafias, triads, and Yakuza, all of which can be developed into their own individual threats.

03-02-2009, 09:11 PM	#7
trustno1 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 117	why dont you stop raggin on the mirage comics not having villains until you have seen what is coming. tristan and dan both said there are more villains being set up in the next few months. i would rather have decent character development than have villains spat at me each week. the OT and new toon also had far more stories than the mirage comics and even then archie poached half of their villains from the OT. everyone knows that the mirage universe lacks villains. the point of this thread is finding out what people are interesetd in seeing in villains. mirage are actually doing something about it but you do not seem to give two ****. and wait. savanti counts in his three appearances but the whole return of the shredder and return to new york stories don't? karai has been in and out of the comics constantly since city at war. leatherhead was never a villain. baxter had almost the entire vol.2 devoted to him. its not as though they could not put more villains in. murphy was the main writer of tales and while he introduced some villains most of his stories were one-shots. his stories were usually very good but they did not often involve reusable villains (or they did but he chose to tell other stories). Last edited by trustno1; 03-02-2009 at 09:18 PM.*

03-02-2009, 09:12 PM	#8
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	Leatherhead never was a villain in Mirage dude >.< In fact, he never even fought the Turtles until his second appearance, when he had just gone nuts. He befriended them prior to that. __________________

03-02-2009, 09:29 PM	#11
TristanHuwJones Official TMNT Staff/Cast Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,419	Hunter Mason will appear in three issues of Tales, Lin will appear in three, Diamondback (from #36) will appear again this year, Razorback will appear, as will other villains (but if I say, I spoil, so sorry). The Elite that was mangled at the end of #36 will also be back. Complete Carnage has appeared a few times now (another villain I'd love to use). Baxter is also back in Don's mini-series. Dan also brought back the magi from the original Tales. I don't have them onhand unfortunately, but someone here knows what I'm talking about. The Thieving God Idol followed by the Werewolf dimension one (art by Andie Tong). If Tales continues, you can bet your arse they'll all be back, as will the villains that have appeared and will appear in Dan's stories. As long as everyone feels THE STORIES are appropriate (what Cipher said about the focus of the comics is spot on). You can have new villains, but you can't force them. Anyway, villains are coming and hopefully they'll stay. Bottom line is, without support, you're right, the books are done for and those villains become one/two/three-shots. __________________ Still alive (somehow)... tristansbones.bsky.social and instagram @ instagram.com/tristans_bones

03-02-2009, 12:25 AM	#2
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	If you're talking about the Mirage comics, why not bring in Armaggon? Didn't Peter Laird create him? I always wished to see him in something else, like the old or new toon, the toys, but it never happened. Anyway, the Mirage comics rogues gallery is abysmal. Its almost all one-shot aliens or monsters. At least the 80's cartoon, the 2k3 series, and the Archie series had a rogues gallery worth mentioning. Mirage continuity on the other hand is sad.

03-02-2009, 08:47 PM	#6
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	The point is all the one-shots in the Mirage universe are usually resolved at the end of the issue. There is no on-going rogues gallery like the other TMNT universes have: - Shredder: Killed in first issue. His clone is killed by Issue 23. - Karai: Forms a true with the Turtles - Baxter, in second appearance turns himself into a cyborg and is defeated, only a brief cameo in Vol. 4. - Rat King, dies in first issue. Becomes spiritual - Leatherhead, becomes a good guy - Savanti Romero, ok I suppose you can count him - Triceratons, fine, but they appear too irregularly. They never invaded the Earth like the 2k3 series did. And in all seriousness, who else is there besides various Foot Clan members like Cha Ocho and the like? The rogues gallery for the two cartoons and the Archie series is far superior.

03-02-2009, 10:59 PM	#15
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	Baxter was always underused in the comics. Yet another example of both cartoons taking full potential of an underused character from the comics. I swear, Pete and the other Mirage dudes could learn a thing or two from the cartoon writers. There also needs to be more mobsters in the comics. Like the ones in the Image series who kidnapped Shadow.

03-03-2009, 07:40 PM	#17
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	Pardon my ignorance... who's Razorback?

03-03-2009, 09:16 PM	#18
Mr._Mutant_Man Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,340	I think it would be really cool to see Rocksteady and Bebop in the comics. Less goofy versions, of course. Not sure what their origin would be like. I've heard that there would be some kind of rights issue that would keep them out of the Mirage comic, though. Maybe Tokka and Rhazar, then?

03-03-2009, 09:37 PM	#20
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	The day Peter Laird ever lets Rocksteady/Bebop into Mirage continuity is the day hell freezes over.