What the.......

[Adam Riches]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

BUT THIS DOESN'T MEAN ALL THE NEW CRAP HAS TO HAVE CRAPPY ART. Really, this is the thing that bugs me most. I have nothing against the old cartoon Turtles and I do quite love them the way I love all the different flavors. If these are the Turtles that sell, then yes, these are absolutely the kind of products that companies should be making. But would it really have killed Mirage/4Kids to spend more time on the art and make it NOT crappy? Seriously, not only are the proportions on most of the Turtles horrible, but a lot of them also have actual old stock art heads photoshopped onto them (which doesn't help the proportions at all). And then there are all the pictures where the Turtles have boobs. Really, it's like they didn't even look at any of the actual old cartoon art by Lavigne/Brown or even the damn cartoon itself. It's just sloppy, and that's what bugs me most.

I just have to say in some partial defense on the part of Mirage/4Kids, I don't think this was always entirely up to them. I know from first hand experience because I had talks with Lionsgate twice begging them to let me have a shot at some of the OT DVD box art and they were like dealing with a brick wall in regards to this stuff. They do it all in-house based on whatever materials are available to them and at least from what I could see were really just concerned with getting the product on shelves and had little care about it's presentation, as I think from where they're sitting the product itself (the episodes) are the real selling point. Now before anyone says anything, I realize Mirage had no say in the LG releases, it was just an example of something out of their hands.

Still I agree with you because these issues were present on many Mirage approved TMNT licensees in 08-09. To some extent the same case can be made about the Playmates 25th cardbacks, a lot of us were disappointed at the way they seemed sort of haphazardly arranged with no new art. It's a sad reality but the business side of TMNT licensing has basically equated to either using pre-approved stock art and updating it (new heads) or paying the absolute smallest amount possible to produce the product (if you can believe people actually get paid to do those head swaps, as if they are new art ). I've always found this to be a major bummer because as someone who really loves the TMNT I was hoping we'd see a lot more authentic Brown/Lavigne art for the 25th or at the very least find people that are passionate enough about the property (see: me ) to replicate that style and create quality art to better represent the TMNT to both casual and diehard fans.

I agree with most of you guys about the shirts especially...I've often believed that better quality product would have resulted in more interest and profits, but this opinion didn't seem to be shared by basically any of the licensees that deal with TMNT product, especially clothing items apparently.

[Archon_Turtle]

I kinda like the star wars spoof one *hides*

[Kendamu]

Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

I kinda like the star wars spoof one *hides*

How dare you like something?! That's not how TMNT works!! ;P

[Leonardo Mystic]

Speaking of crazy t-shirts, check this one out. http://cgi.ebay.com/NINJA-TURTLE-BAT...item2559119880

[Mutated Turtle]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

Speaking of crazy t-shirts, check this one out. http://cgi.ebay.com/NINJA-TURTLE-BAT...item2559119880

LMAO! i want that shirt!

[Adam Riches]

Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

I kinda like the star wars spoof one *hides*

WHAT?!



...kidding, I think people are totally entitled to like whichever items they want. I just feel as a now (sadly) adult fan they don't really make a lot of product that represents my position in the fandom. These shirts with strange scenarios, zany artwork, off-model characters, and odd sayings don't really apply to someone who is more than a casual fan in my opinion.

I would really like to see some cool comic based stuff, or more straight forward OT stuff that isn't some weird representation of the characters. I'd like to see stuff that's just more along the lines of good art that happens to be on a shirt. It doesn't always have to have a punch line. Look at some of the great retro based shirts that G.I. Joe, Marvel, Power Rangers, and other iconic brands have received in recent years. I'm generally not one to be a billboard for the things I like, but if the right product came along I might bite, basically all the TMNT stuff I have now is legit vintage as that stuff really exemplifies the kind of items I wish they still had around today.

[Samhain]

Originally Posted by Adam Riches

WHAT?!



...kidding, I think people are totally entitled to like whichever items they want. I just feel as a now (sadly) adult fan they don't really make a lot of product that represents my position in the fandom. These shirts with strange scenarios, zany artwork, off-model characters, and odd sayings don't really apply to someone who is more than a casual fan in my opinion.

I would really like to see some cool comic based stuff, or more straight forward OT stuff that isn't some weird representation of the characters. I'd like to see stuff that's just more along the lines of good art that happens to be on a shirt. It doesn't always have to have a punch line. Look at some of the great retro based shirts that G.I. Joe, Marvel, Power Rangers, and other iconic brands have received in recent years. I'm generally not one to be a billboard for the things I like, but if the right product came along I might bite, basically all the TMNT stuff I have now is legit vintage as that stuff really exemplifies the kind of items I wish they still had around today.

Yeah there is definatly nothing wrong with liking this stuff. Heck, if it were under $10 I would probably get it. But I do see what you mean. I think the majority of Tmnt shirts that are made nowadays are just a joke.I want a completly badass eastman/Laird turtles shirt.

[Spitfire]

Looks like they're turning into 2K3/Lion's Gate stock art offenders.

[Leonardo_]

I like the first one and what I dont like, I simply dont buy. No need to nag about it. Others may like it and thats totally ok.

Additionally...I mostly paint my tmnt shirts myself ^^