Lets Talk Next Mutation.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by Arella

Awe, but the noises were just to adorable. They made my day, especially when bizarre noises came out of something that would make no noise lol.

Great on Bill Nye, not great on Ninja Turtles.

[sdp]

TNM is a flawed show but its not as terrible as the fandom makes it out to be, its actually pretty decent. I think it gets so much hate because most of the original turtle fans were already too old by the time this show aired, I was the perfect age, had I actually caught it on tv when it aired I would have loved it. I have an extensive review if you click the picture in my sig if you're interested in a more extended opinion.

hehe, people in the drome must think I'm a TNM fanboy since I'm usually defending it but not, its just that while its a flawed show its fairly decent and it does not deserve all the hate it gets so I always defend it even if it is not a great show.

Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

The turtles acted more silly then the OT turtles in Turtles Forever, and was down right dumb. most villains had potential but ended as a big "Meh"

No way did the turtles act as silly as the OT in Turtles Forever, heck they don't act as silly as they do in TMNT 3.

Most villains did have potential to be awesome but they weren't "meh". Most got at least one episode were they were written very well. In fact I think the rouges gallery created for TNM are awesome and would love to see them in a different incarnation.

2 clip-show episodes in the same freakin' season, way to go!

Normally I'd agree, I hate clip shows but to their credit at least they had a theme, one about Raph/Leo's rivalry and the second all about venus which in turn feels like a tribute to her. So yeah I definitely found them more watchable than the average clip show.

A shinobi is NOT a Chinese Shaman, it's just another word for NINJA.
Venus was okay, but still badly handled, didn't mind the turtles being blood related, it don't change the fact that the turtles are brother and splinter is their father.
And Shell boobs... she looks like a bad fan-made gender bender turtle, she only missed hair and she'd fit dA right away.

Well her magic powers were rarely if at all used after the pilot. I didn't like her having magic powers either so its good they didn't use them much.
The turtles not being related makes more sense to me, but its not like it really matters, they did not pursue a romance besides the pilot were the turtles lusted after her. Turtle boobs made sense, how else would you easily tell she's female? its not like they were huger or anything.

Ironically Venus is the most interesting turtle and ironically she really wasn't shoved down our throats or got too much focus. So its odd that so much hate towards TNM is all shoved at her.

The suits was cheap looking, the dead soulless faces and their eyes... ugh!
And the character style was not a good one, Splinter looked like the stole some school mascot.
Action okay, the suits where more mobile, but still looked home made.

The Foot was pathetic characterized and Shredder looked okay, but had more of a Power Ranger villain look then The Shredder.

That sock puppet minion to Dragon Lord was terrible, the rank was a okay but not memorable adversaries.

I liked the suits, didn't see them as cheap. Then again I wasn't expecting hensons suits. I also liked that they actually could do some cool stunts with the suits. I liked Splinters suit but he always looked out of scale, maybe its because the movies used a smaller splinter. He's technically not out of scale since he's about the same size as other TMNT incarnations but he always looked big to me for some reason.

Shredder and the foot didn't do anything really until the return of Shredder episode, which was awesome. He would have made a great villain in a second season.

Dragonlord and the Rank were awesome but sadly they got a lot of goofy episodes that took off the credibility they had in the good ones.

The annoying, horrible overused slap stick sounds, made me almost falcon punch my computer watching the show.

Originally Posted by Cipher

The sound-effects.

I've never seen a show whose watchability would be so dramatically increased just by removing most of the sound-effects. Whizz, boink!

Yes, THIS.
Take off the slapstick sound effects and TNM is easily MUCH better. Weird how much a sound effect can change the mood.

Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

and the power rangers cross over, which just happened once and they never talked about it again, weird... shouldn't the turtles help the ranger in the end of the season since they where canonized into the power rangers verse, or where they just lazy eating pizza and watching Venus doing Yoga.

The PRs crossover is not technically TNM but a PRs episode. But if you count it, its easily the worst TNM episode, the turtles act even sillier and are way off character. However it does have some of the best fight scenes the entire series had and joined my two childhood shows so it has a soft spot in my heart for that.

As for the second question, Well theres dozens of PRs and other powered heroes and yet they never help each other out besides anniversary team ups

Originally Posted by andrewdsz

i watched couple clips on youtube.

I couldnt BELIEVE how bad the show is,the stupid voice and fightin themes,the turtles act like buncha 4 yrs old w customs on(well, maybe giant sized 4 yrs old but still).

Taking clips from the show will definitely make it look to be much worse than it really is. Not a fair way to judge the show.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by sdp

No way did the turtles act as silly as the OT in Turtles Forever, heck they don't act as silly as they do in TMNT 3.

sometimes I wonder if we've seen the same show

[sdp]

Maybe I watched TNM from another parallel earth were the show was decent instead of the one for this earth

but yeah ugh, you don't want to get me started on the OT turtles portrayal in Turtles Forever, I'm still raging over it.

[Koi]

Originally Posted by Guitar_Raph

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The only dieappointment was that they never had an episode where they played as a band. Only the promo & clips of the closing credits have the TMNT band.

Mikey did sing with a tennis racket about his love for Venus...

[shuriken]

I honestly think I need to rewatch this series because I remember a lot of vaguethings about the show. But from what I remember here are some good ans bad aspects IMHO
the good
1-The Rogue gallery was pretty fleshed out. Silver and Bonesteel were pretty cool albeit very silly. Vam mi was ok.Also really like the concept of the Dragon Lord and eh Rank warriors. Shredder and th Foot were not a main threat at this point so I was ok with that, especially after how over used they had been in the OT. Dr Queeze was easily the most awesome villain from that damn show.
2-I like the TMNT Hummer. About time they got something other than a van. Also thought it was awesome that it said TRTL PWR.
3-I loved Donnie's "I'm smarter than you and you know it but you totally need me so there," attitude and how he always picked on Mikey. I prefer this over the 2K3 toon's constant Mikey smacking. I swear Raph should have gotten a chuck in the face by season 2.
4-some of the fight scenes were actually pretty good and although the suits weren't all that great, they provided quite a bit of mobility and for the most part their lips sync'd up with what they were saying. At least a bit better than in TMNT3.
5- Mikey's radio show was interesting at the very least. It was good that he did something constructive to harness his outgoing personality.
6-I like that they kept the lair from the previous movies. That lair is epic. Not too over the top but cool enough to be more believeable than an ancient cave that's powered by crystals.
The Bad
1- It's good to have a rogue's gallery but a lot of these villains were just jokes. Vam mi was my least favorite and what was up with the wierd voice overs? Nothing but irritating. Although I liked the Dragon Lord (sue me bastards) he was cheapened time and time again by suffering lame defeats and and lame episodes.
2-Shinobi is but another word for ninja, sometimes used to describe the most advanced ninjas.
3- Venus was just a bad character even more horribly portrayed/handled. Ok I get this was to cater to a larger audience and she was to (seemingly at least) have a romance with Leo, as well as a be a capapble fighter and be from China. But she was annoying and was way over powered. She easily the defeated teh Shredderand made the TMNT loo llame as hell and did the same thing to the Dragon Lord, all the while trying to make jokes and say phrases that were just wierd. And why the f*ck was Venus fighting with magic balls? I mean give her a freaking yari or something, not magic balls.
4-The sound effects, my god the sound effects. You start getting intoa a really cool fight scene and then a fart noise aor a bonk just kils the moment. I felt like the TMNT were fighting Bulk ans Skull from the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers half the time.
5-why did they have such different bandanas? And the plastrons looked like something out of an exosuit er something.
6-Mikey constantly hitting on Venus got old very fast. I did like that Raph did not like her at all.
Yeah when the show first came out I enjoyed it, but even then I realized that the show was pretty bad. It was a neat concept at the very least.

[Cipher]

Shuriken, I actually quite like the rogues gallery as well. I even like aspects of the Turtles' portrayals.

The problem is that while I like these aspects in concept (Dragon Lord is a cool idea, Don being an *sshole is a cool idea, Splinter having a blind friend is a goddamn awesome idea), the execution is horrible. The show is filled with decent concepts marred by horrible execution, which owes itself to everything from low budgets to censorship to terrible sound-effects.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I think people don't like Venus. I don't care for that, but I don't like Venus using magic.

[Koi]

Originally Posted by J 1982

I think people don't like Venus. I don't care for that, but I don't like Venus using magic.

The fact she knew just about everything, was pretty darn intelligent, could beat up anyone who was in her way when she wanted, no matter how powerful her enemy was. She was just a mary sue and now should just stay winthin Deviantart fangirls artwork for now.

I did slightly like her, she could of been done better, but if the other turtles don't have super powers (thank god) then she shouldn't.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Maybe Shredder should appear more (but not every episode).

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Gyt Kaliba

Sadly, I'd probably buy it if it came out legit over here though, for completionist sake.

Sadly, I imported the British releases for completionist sake lol.

Originally Posted by sdp

but yeah ugh, you don't want to get me started on the OT turtles portrayal in Turtles Forever, I'm still raging over it.

Remember...


and: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=29809

[Gyt Kaliba]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Sadly, I imported the British releases for completionist sake lol.

I'd do that too if it weren't for the different region codes.

[TuЯco]

aside from all the stupid noises and voices..
the show wasnt too bad i kinda liked it.
the hummer was a cool concept though.
if i made a ninja turtle series id have a hummer.
but the show made me fell stupid.

Really like the acton figures though.

[TheCanadiandrome]

i vaguely remember much about this show, but what i do remember, it was so cheesey it was bad! but i'd like to hunt it down on dvd and watch it, and see if i still feel the same

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Another interesting issue with Next Mutation is if it's set after the 1987 cartoon or after the films?

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by J 1982

Another interesting issue with Next Mutation is if it's set after the 1987 cartoon or after the films?

it's supposed to be a continuation of the films, but something clearly went a whole different direction

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

it's supposed to be a continuation of the films, but something clearly went a whole different direction

that's an understatemene! lol!

[Guitar_Raph]

Originally Posted by Arella

Mikey did sing with a tennis racket about his love for Venus...

If he had played the guitar, instead of a tennis racket, my loyalty would've been switched from Raph to Mikey. And in my TMNT band, Mikey would play guitar (with Ex-Cel for a little rivalry) while Raph would've played the drums/tympani.

Wonder what he sang to her?

[gobo]

What a coincidence... I just got an email from Amazon France today. Fans can now buy the second half of the uncut series in French only. The first half has been available for years.

I might be interested in getting this and splicing it together with audio from the UK butchered versions someday. Still, that'd leave sizable, annoying gaps in the audio... unless someone would be kind enough to find me some American tv recordings to pull that audio from.

[ToTheNines]

So like... what makes Saban or whoever think the European demand for this show is so much greater than the American.