The 4th live-action movie that almost was... - Page 2

*discordiatookie* · 03-12-2011, 11:36 AM

Guess I should really read the credits, huh? Thanks for that, I feel honoured

There was a coupla times I actually laughed out loud, reading this. Especially the last pic, and final line.

d_osborn · 03-12-2011, 11:13 PM

cool article!

there are a few bits on laird's 'blast from the past' blog about the steve barron project. he mentions fx tests on splinter in one post... something about character maquettes in another. it was actually going to be a mini-series to air on the hallmark channel. strange, i know. by that point, barron had directed several mini-series projects for hallmark.

**Jester** · 03-12-2011, 11:35 PM

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cool article!

there are a few bits on laird's 'blast from the past' blog about the steve barron project. he mentions fx tests on splinter in one post... something about character maquettes in another. it was actually going to be a mini-series to air on the hallmark channel. strange, i know. by that point, barron had directed several mini-series projects for hallmark.

Was the 4th flick and the Hallmark miniseries the same thing?

*Galactus* · 03-13-2011, 04:22 AM

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Was the 4th flick and the Hallmark miniseries the same thing?

I've not gotten that impression. From I've read it always seemed like seperate projects.

I've always assumed that the pitch with the turtles and Splinter gaining powers was completely seperate from the one with Kirby the fifth turtle also.

The latter which was supposed to be a loose adaption of Donatello #1 swapping a Jack Kirby inspired world for a dark gothic world one with Julie Strain playing an evil empress but dissatisfied with what the studio was providing them Peter wrote a 20 page treatment but it still didn't steer them in what he and Kevin felt was the right direction.

It stands to reason all these be seperate. I mean it all seems to be too much to pack in to one movie especialy when you add in Venus and a fight with Shredder on the Astral Plane (from the Hallmark project).

*Chris* · 03-13-2011, 06:06 AM

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The latter which was supposed to be a loose adaption of Donatello #1 swapping a Jack Kirby inspired world for a dark gothic world one with Julie Strain playing an evil empress but dissatisfied with what the studio was providing them Peter wrote a 20 page treatment but it still didn't steer them in what he and Kevin felt was the right direction.

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especialy when you add in Venus and a fight with Shredder on the Astral Plane (from the Hallmark project).

How have I never heard of all this?!

Evil Empresses?
Venus/Shredder/Astral Plane in the Hallmark project?

Somehow I missed all this!! Do you have any more details?

*Galactus* · 03-13-2011, 06:41 AM

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How have I never heard of all this?!

Evil Empresses?
Venus/Shredder/Astral Plane in the Hallmark project?

Somehow I missed all this!! Do you have any more details?

Peter put a design for something he called the Shreddant on his blog. Link

There's also another piece of Laird art that I've seen around with the turtles searching some ruins with the Shreddant looming in the background but I think that's just something he did for fun rather than something to do with the mini series.

The rest I'd say is pretty common knowledge, particularly a movie with Venus. If I remember correctly Andrew Modeen had a lot of stuff about it on his old TMNTEmpire site. Interviews, news articles, quotes from Dan Berger etc. I think this link will work.

*oldmanwinters* · 03-13-2011, 12:16 PM

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The rest I'd say is pretty common knowledge, particularly a movie with Venus. If I remember correctly Andrew Modeen had a lot of stuff about it on his old TMNTEmpire site. Interviews, news articles, quotes from Dan Berger etc. I think this link will work.

Hey, it's been a long time since I've seen that! Thanks for the link!

*Donnie* · 03-13-2011, 03:43 PM

I'm among those who have never seen this, so it's news to me!

I really like the next mutations story line...it was a cool idea. I like Don's mutation. Leo's is pretty badass. Mikey's is okay. Raphael meets Wolverine, anyone? The only mutation that is a little off-setting for me is Splinter's. He looks too...big.

*Chris* · 03-13-2011, 04:23 PM

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Peter put a design for something he called the Shreddant on his blog. Link

There's also another piece of Laird art that I've seen around with the turtles searching some ruins with the Shreddant looming in the background but I think that's just something he did for fun rather than something to do with the mini series.

Thanks for the link, I've never seen that before. I miss read your earlier post and thought Venus was rumoured to be in the Hallmark Project, that's what really threw me as I know how much Laird hates her.

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The rest I'd say is pretty common knowledge, particularly a movie with Venus. If I remember correctly Andrew Modeen had a lot of stuff about it on his old TMNTEmpire site. Interviews, news articles, quotes from Dan Berger etc. I think this link will work.

Thanks for the link! Sounds like there were a lot of possible plots for TMNT 4!

The Next Mutation - with the new designs/powers from Peter Laird's blog

Kirby/Alternate Dimension - with Julie Strain as an Evil Empress (though this may be the same as the next mutation project?)

The Next Mutation Sequel - combining plot elements from RTNY/CAW and Venus

Then more rewrites taking Venus out... then the Hallmark Project (Shreddant/Astral Plane)... the finally TMNT.

I enjoyed TMNT, but I think the original Next Mutation project sounds the best (especially if they wanted to draw the plot from RTNY/CAW)

**Jester** · 03-13-2011, 05:15 PM

Never seen this either...wow. Hey, Doc, looks like another ammendment is in the works.

EDIT: One wonders if Kevin or Pete still have these earily drafts...I'd love to see them.

*oldmanwinters* · 03-13-2011, 05:52 PM

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Kirby/Alternate Dimension - with Julie Strain as an Evil Empress (though this may be the same as the next mutation project?)

In Eastman's Artobiography, it is suggested that this was a planned character for the Next Mutation TV show. I guess after the show was canceled there could have been a push to implement leftover ideas into a film:

**Jester** · 03-13-2011, 05:57 PM

That would have been odd, considering what appears on her IMDB...yikes!

d_osborn · 03-13-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Galactus

If I remember correctly Andrew Modeen had a lot of stuff about it on his old TMNTEmpire site. Interviews, news articles, quotes from Dan Berger etc. I think this link will work.

interesting... thanks for the link! i'm really shocked that none of the scripts have ever leaked online.

i'm curious if steve barron would have approached the mini-series as an extension of his TMNT film.

*Jephael* · 03-13-2011, 07:51 PM

I finally decided to take a look at your article, Dr.Spengler and it's really good. All that information is really intriging.

John Pannozzi · 03-13-2011, 07:54 PM

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That would have been odd, considering what appears on her IMDB...yikes!

It was pretty much nepotism... she was married to Eastman at the time (not to put anyone down, though).

But I remember that back around 1999 or so, there's was this page with a lot of info on the planned fourth movie. I remember it mentioning a villainess (Julie's character?), that April's absence from the Next Mutation was due in part to Eastman no longer being in a relationship with her namesake, and the controversy over whether not Leo decapitating Shredder would make it into the flick. Does anyone else remember this webpage?

*Donnie* · 03-13-2011, 08:39 PM

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and the controversy over whether not Leo decapitating Shredder would make it into the flick. Does anyone else remember this webpage?

No, but if anybody finds it, PLEASE SHARE! I've never heard anything about Leo decapitating Shredder, but I would certainly love to!

*CyberCubed* · 03-13-2011, 10:33 PM

I also remember the 4th movie was going to be re-tooled to include Venus after Next Mutation hit.

*Chris* · 03-14-2011, 03:56 PM

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In Eastman's Artobiography, it is suggested that this was a planned character for the Next Mutation TV show. I guess after the show was canceled there could have been a push to implement leftover ideas into a film:

Thanks for the picture. That would have been interesting to see. As bad as it was I actually wish TNM could have got a second season so we could have seen this on the show, the return of Shredder and the defeat of Dragon Lord, which was all left unresolved.

*PizzaPower* · 03-14-2011, 04:55 PM

i agree i really wish there was a 2nd season to the next mutation, it is one of my favorite tmnt shows.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-14-2011, 05:17 PM

Some info from my site years and years ago here:
http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/tmnt/nt4.html

03-12-2011, 11:36 AM	#21
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03-13-2011, 05:15 PM	#30
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	Never seen this either...wow. Hey, Doc, looks like another ammendment is in the works. EDIT: One wonders if Kevin or Pete still have these earily drafts...I'd love to see them. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656 Last edited by Jester; 03-13-2011 at 05:26 PM.

03-13-2011, 05:57 PM	#32
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	That would have been odd, considering what appears on her IMDB...yikes! __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-13-2011, 07:51 PM	#34
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,142	I finally decided to take a look at your article, Dr.Spengler and it's really good. All that information is really intriging. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

03-14-2011, 04:55 PM	#39
PizzaPower Foot Elite Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pizza Parlor Posts: 3,200	i agree i really wish there was a 2nd season to the next mutation, it is one of my favorite tmnt shows. __________________ https://www.twitch.tv/turtlepizzapower

03-12-2011, 11:13 PM	#22
d_osborn Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,418	cool article! there are a few bits on laird's 'blast from the past' blog about the steve barron project. he mentions fx tests on splinter in one post... something about character maquettes in another. it was actually going to be a mini-series to air on the hallmark channel. strange, i know. by that point, barron had directed several mini-series projects for hallmark.

03-13-2011, 03:43 PM	#28
Donnie Something from the Past Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 3,256	I'm among those who have never seen this, so it's news to me! I really like the next mutations story line...it was a cool idea. I like Don's mutation. Leo's is pretty badass. Mikey's is okay. Raphael meets Wolverine, anyone? The only mutation that is a little off-setting for me is Splinter's. He looks too...big.

03-13-2011, 10:33 PM	#37
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,694	I also remember the 4th movie was going to be re-tooled to include Venus after Next Mutation hit.

03-14-2011, 05:17 PM	#40
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