Cowabunga: Shred-Head

**Jester** · 03-15-2011, 10:35 PM

So...does it make any sense, when you look at it closely?

I mean, the hologram Mikey would act just like Mikey normally would, so how would he help Shred...er...You Know Who destroy the Turtles? Especially since when You Know Who is Michelangelo, he isn't Mikey trying to destroy the others, but just Mikey.

And aside from that, there's one glaring piece of info that they'd not have...the location of the lair. If Shredder did have that, he could just invade the lair.

And why doesn't he notice he looks like Shredder...Shredder...Shredder...Shredder, or that there are some how 2 hims?

Also...Pat Fraley is missing...

Townsend is great, but he's no Pat when it comes to Krang.

*oldmanwinters* · 03-15-2011, 10:38 PM

Huh????

I think your whole post went over my head.

You been on the sauce tonight or something, Jester?

**Jester** · 03-15-2011, 10:42 PM

Nope...*hick* 'Scuse me. I just never thought about this episode until now...it's fun and still one of my favorites, but there are huge plot holes...when you think about it, too much.

*Eiko* · 03-15-2011, 11:45 PM

A lot of the old toon eps are like that. they made no sense with Shredder and Krangs plans but thats what made them fun to watch.

*Redeemer* · 03-15-2011, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

So...does it make any sense, when you look at it closely?

I mean, the hologram Mikey would act just like Mikey normally would, so how would he help Shred...er...You Know Who destroy the Turtles? Especially since when You Know Who is Michelangelo, he isn't Mikey trying to destroy the others, but just Mikey.

And aside from that, there's one glaring piece of info that they'd not have...the location of the lair. If Shredder did have that, he could just invade the lair.

And why doesn't he notice he looks like Shredder...Shredder...Shredder...Shredder, or that there are some how 2 hims?

Also...Pat Fraley is missing...

Townsend is great, but he's no Pat when it comes to Krang.

This is a very good point I never thought of that

*MrPliggins* · 03-16-2011, 12:01 AM

Ah but the location of the lair was known by the hologram Mike...how else would Shredder-Mike have gotten there?

*ssjup81* · 03-16-2011, 04:31 AM

I never thought about this before. The only thing I wondered about was why Shredder as Mikey didn't notice that he was bigger than the others or that there was another Michaelangelo.

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Ah but the location of the lair was known by the hologram Mike...how else would Shredder-Mike have gotten there?

But how would Krang and Shredder have gotten that information to put into the program for Hologram Mikey to even know that?

**Jester** · 03-16-2011, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81

I never thought about this before. The only thing I wondered about was why Shredder as Mikey didn't notice that he was bigger than the others or that there was another Michaelangelo. But how would Krang and Shredder have gotten that information to put into the program for Hologram Mikey to even know that?

Exactly. Shredder and Krang would have to know for the hologram, and later Shredder-angelo to know.

*ssjup81* · 03-16-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Exactly. Shredder and Krang would have to know for the hologram, and later Shredder-angelo to know.

Despite the large gaping plothole in that one, I think I'll give that ep a watch again. I do love it, still.

That's still funny, thinking about it. The whole series could've ended right then and there.

*PizzaPower* · 03-16-2011, 09:48 AM

i have watched this episode over 1000 times seeing as a kid it was the one of the two VHS tapes that i had. It is such a great and funny episode.

Sword Slicin' Leo · 03-16-2011, 09:53 AM

" I crave pizza no more"

*ssjup81* · 03-16-2011, 11:19 AM

"I hunga for cowabunga!" Dude, this ep is definitely one of the best eps in the sense that it was just so silly! C'mon, James Avery talking like a stoned surfer? Priceless! Classic!

Edit: Oh yeah, something else that didn't make sense about part of this ep. Why in the world didn't Shredder just put the disk in himself? How come he couldn't see that Bebop was putting it in wrong when Rocksteady noticed it? Shredder was right there. ><

Oh, and something else I forgot to mention that I actually did notice, how come Shredder-angelo never realized he was wearing Shredder's mask or...close in general for that matter.

It's not like that ep where Raph's mind was switched with that cab driver's. When looked in the mirror, he saw himself as Raphael. With Shredderangelo...definitely not the same...

Sword Slicin' Leo · 03-16-2011, 03:47 PM

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i was thinking that too!

**Jester** · 03-16-2011, 04:50 PM

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I love this episode, it's very fun, I just really noticed the plot holes. Like why did Shredder have the disk put in by Rocksteady, explain the plot, remove the disk, and then have Bebop put it right back in...which he does, backwards.

Volvagia · 03-16-2011, 04:54 PM

Wasn't there two discs, one with the hologram and one with the information or am I out swimming in the ocean?

**Jester** · 03-16-2011, 05:02 PM

Nope...just one disk.

Volvagia · 03-16-2011, 05:07 PM

Thanks for the correction, haven't seen this in a while.
I really should re-watch this, it's a great episode.

*oldmanwinters* · 03-16-2011, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I love this episode, it's very fun, I just really noticed the plot holes. Like why did Shredder have the disk put in by Rocksteady, explain the plot, remove the disk, and then have Bebop put it right back in...which he does, backwards.

Shredder's PC had a bizarre DOS system back in the day. When Shredder complained to Krang how stupid that was, Krang told him to shut up.

*MrPliggins* · 03-16-2011, 08:09 PM

perhaps S & K got the personality of Mike from "scanning" him somehow before the episode's events, similar to how metalhead was made with all the Turtles' personalities. That way the knowledge of the lair would be there.

*oldmanwinters* · 03-16-2011, 08:46 PM

If I remember, the hologram machine was able to create an entity that "thinks like Michealangelo." Thus, it wasn't so much an issue of the computer creating a hologram that already had prior knowledge of the lair's location. Rather, the hologram was able to perfectly replicate the way Mikey would think and thus simply found his way to the lair using the same thought process Michelangelo would have used.

Then there's the question as to why Shredder & Krang never put 2 & 2 together to just start creating turtle holograms that would discover the lair. Well... no one every said those villains were especially competent in the areas of common sense, right?

Seriously, that's the best "Marvel No Prize" reconciliation I've got.

03-15-2011, 10:35 PM	#1
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Cowabunga: Shred-Head So...does it make any sense, when you look at it closely? I mean, the hologram Mikey would act just like Mikey normally would, so how would he help Shred...er...You Know Who destroy the Turtles? Especially since when You Know Who is Michelangelo, he isn't Mikey trying to destroy the others, but just Mikey. And aside from that, there's one glaring piece of info that they'd not have...the location of the lair. If Shredder did have that, he could just invade the lair. And why doesn't he notice he looks like Shredder...Shredder...Shredder...Shredder, or that there are some how 2 hims? Also...Pat Fraley is missing... Townsend is great, but he's no Pat when it comes to Krang. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656 Last edited by Jester; 03-15-2011 at 10:45 PM.

03-15-2011, 10:38 PM	#2
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,497	Huh???? I think your whole post went over my head. You been on the sauce tonight or something, Jester? __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

03-15-2011, 10:42 PM	#3
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Nope...hick 'Scuse me. I just never thought about this episode until now...it's fun and still one of my favorites, but there are huge plot holes...when you think about it, too much. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656 Last edited by Jester; 03-15-2011 at 11:06 PM.

03-15-2011, 11:45 PM	#4
Eiko Aussie and Proud Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Foot HQ Australia Posts: 1,816	A lot of the old toon eps are like that. they made no sense with Shredder and Krangs plans but thats what made them fun to watch. __________________

03-16-2011, 09:48 AM	#10
PizzaPower Foot Elite Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pizza Parlor Posts: 3,200	i have watched this episode over 1000 times seeing as a kid it was the one of the two VHS tapes that i had. It is such a great and funny episode. __________________ https://www.twitch.tv/turtlepizzapower

03-16-2011, 12:01 AM	#6
MrPliggins Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,051	Ah but the location of the lair was known by the hologram Mike...how else would Shredder-Mike have gotten there?

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03-16-2011, 11:19 AM	#12
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	"I hunga for cowabunga!" Dude, this ep is definitely one of the best eps in the sense that it was just so silly! C'mon, James Avery talking like a stoned surfer? Priceless! Classic! Edit: Oh yeah, something else that didn't make sense about part of this ep. Why in the world didn't Shredder just put the disk in himself? How come he couldn't see that Bebop was putting it in wrong when Rocksteady noticed it? Shredder was right there. >< Oh, and something else I forgot to mention that I actually did notice, how come Shredder-angelo never realized he was wearing Shredder's mask or...close in general for that matter. It's not like that ep where Raph's mind was switched with that cab driver's. When looked in the mirror, he saw himself as Raphael. With Shredderangelo...definitely not the same... Last edited by ssjup81; 03-16-2011 at 11:34 AM.

03-16-2011, 04:50 PM	#14
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Yeah, don't get me wrong, I love this episode, it's very fun, I just really noticed the plot holes. Like why did Shredder have the disk put in by Rocksteady, explain the plot, remove the disk, and then have Bebop put it right back in...which he does, backwards. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656 Last edited by Jester; 03-16-2011 at 04:56 PM.

03-16-2011, 04:54 PM	#15
Volvagia Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 195	Wasn't there two discs, one with the hologram and one with the information or am I out swimming in the ocean?

03-16-2011, 05:02 PM	#16
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Nope...just one disk. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-16-2011, 05:07 PM	#17
Volvagia Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 195	Thanks for the correction, haven't seen this in a while. I really should re-watch this, it's a great episode.

03-16-2011, 08:09 PM	#19
MrPliggins Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,051	perhaps S & K got the personality of Mike from "scanning" him somehow before the episode's events, similar to how metalhead was made with all the Turtles' personalities. That way the knowledge of the lair would be there.

03-16-2011, 08:46 PM	#20
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,497	If I remember, the hologram machine was able to create an entity that "thinks like Michealangelo." Thus, it wasn't so much an issue of the computer creating a hologram that already had prior knowledge of the lair's location. Rather, the hologram was able to perfectly replicate the way Mikey would think and thus simply found his way to the lair using the same thought process Michelangelo would have used. Then there's the question as to why Shredder & Krang never put 2 & 2 together to just start creating turtle holograms that would discover the lair. Well... no one every said those villains were especially competent in the areas of common sense, right? Seriously, that's the best "Marvel No Prize" reconciliation I've got. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!