Does dated CG animation turn you off from watching shows?

*CyberCubed* · 03-20-2011, 09:18 AM

For me, I cannot watch anything done is CG unless millions are spent on it and it looks like Pixar's or Dreamworks movies like Toy Story, Shrek, etc.

Whenever I watch a CG show on TV, I just can't stand watching it for more than 10 minutes, it just bothers me. I know they don't have the budget a movie does, but it makes it really difficult to watch.

If the Nick show doesn't show an increase in production values or the Turtles models don't improve, I think this show is going to be very difficult to watch. It'll feel like watching some old PS2 FMV cinema scene stretched into 30 minutes.

Anyone concerned? No matter how good the plots are, if the CG animation isn't good I can't get into it.

PAAATE · 03-20-2011, 09:24 AM

As long as it's not a horrendous ****ing catastrophe: No.

Though I never watch any shows that are just CGI. But if we take early Buffy the Vampire Slayer-episodes as an example: I don't mind the bad computer animation. As long as the story and characters are worth my time, the CG is allowed to be kinda bad.

*Candy Kappa* · 03-20-2011, 10:15 AM

Simple answer no.

For me it's the same with any other media. I love watching old movies, playing older games and older animation shows. it's not just the CG that counts, it's animation; how fluid is it, do the characters have weight and so on. The style; is it interesting or generic. Who designed it and do i suit the show and the characters. And there's music, effects, story and more.

I think that the majority of people do not understand that 3D/CG animation is still in a infantile state, pretty much as "good old" 2D animation was back in it's initial start. The good CG movies we see today are the equivalent of what Snow White is to 2D animation. granted 3D animation have come a long way from Enter The Shizzagee, ReBoot, Transformers: Beast Wars, Donkey Kong Country the TV Series. 3D/CG Animators have to "rediscover" the principles of animation with the new tools that are out there, styles will be tested and have been tested, just like what 2D animation have done. Cartoony, Semi-realistic, Photo realistic. Different renders that can make the already finished 3D models look like entirely new characters.

Example how a different render engine can change the entire look and feel of a modeled character can be seen on my own youtube page with videos of my TMNT model. [/end shameless ad]

Of course watching high budget animated films will be more visually appealing, but there's more then just the visuals that counts. Just look at Avatar.

What we have seen is a bare basic teaser. It's not even a teaser trailer, like the running scene teaser TMNT07 had. We have seen the individual CG models posing in a blank environment. Give them some textures and it will look like it's a whole different thing.
But if you just don't like the style they are going for or just don't 3D/CG animation because it's "different", too bad. It's not made for you.

*Brodie* · 03-20-2011, 10:25 AM

It doesn't turn me off, at all. My favorite shows, like Beast Wars and ReBoot don't look amazing by today's standards, but they're still amazing cartoons that I enjoy rewatching.

If the Turtles cartoon looks interesting (it does, thus far), and is written well, I don't see why it couldn't fall into the same bracket as the two shows I mentioned.

"I cannot watch anything done is CG unless millions are spent on it and it looks like Pixar's or Dreamworks movies"

That's a ridiculous statement, and it makes you come off like a snobby little ****. It also makes it apparent that you don't really have any concept of visual aesthetics.

"Money went into it, so that's how I know it looks good."

*Candy Kappa* · 03-20-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brodie

"Money went into it, so that's how I know it looks good."

"Graphic h*e" is a well used name in my area when this issue comes with video games. One dude in my game class only bought games with top notch graphics, any thing else was garbage in his eyes.

TuЯco · 03-20-2011, 10:48 AM

yeah it does but i dont think the new ninja turtles series is going to have bad animation.
to be honest the only show that nick has bad animation for is the penguins. but hopefully the only reason it is so bad is because its a movie adaption pretty much. fanboy and chum chums animation looks pretty decent ill admit but that shows made to look cartoony.
im not really concerned about the animation. as long as it looks good. and they still have a little less than two years to realese the new show so the turtles may be made less blocky.

but i agree no matter how good the plot is if the animation is trash its hard to watch. lol

*Ninjinister* · 03-20-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

"Graphic h*e" is a well used name in my area when this issue comes with video games. One dude in my game class only bought games with top notch graphics, any thing else was garbage in his eyes.

What's a "h*e"?

And yeah, I know the type.

*Candy Kappa* · 03-20-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

What's a "h*e"?

And yeah, I know the type.

right there's no E at the end of that Abbreviation

*DrSpengler* · 03-20-2011, 11:21 AM

Bad animation of ANY variety will turn me off of a show; be it CGI, Flash or traditional cel animation.

If the CG animation in the Nick series is up to snuff, then I'll enjoy the show. If its eye-gougingly amateurish, then I probably won't be watching.

We'll just have to wait and see.

AllTheDVDsWillBeMine! · 03-20-2011, 12:15 PM

If the show is well-written and the models are well-utilized, it will more than make up for weak model and environment construction. Case in point: Beast Wars: Transformers.

*DrSpengler* · 03-20-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AllTheDVDsWillBeMine!

If the show is well-written and the models are well-utilized, it will more than make up for weak model and environment construction. Case in point: Beast Wars: Transformers.

Orin even more recent memory: Transformers Prime. Completely deserted cities and landscapes and nearly no incidental or crowd filler humans whatsoever, or even a wardrobe change for the primary ones...

But it can all be overlooked by the superb character animation, which is very well done.

*Powder* · 03-20-2011, 03:03 PM

I'm not really a fan if CGI but that will never hold me back from watching/enjoying a turtle show or film.

*PizzaPower* · 03-20-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

I'm not really a fan if CGI but that will never hold me back from watching/enjoying a turtle show or film.

same here, but shoot it might blow us all away.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 03-20-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PAAATE

As long as it's not a horrendous ****ing catastrophe: No.

agreed 110%

*Kendamu* · 03-20-2011, 05:35 PM

I prefer 2D animation over CG animation hands-down. However, I like a lot of CG movies and tend to stop thinking about how they're CG shortly into them. Also, as long as it's a good show, I can usually get past it. A good example would be Fanboy & Chum Chum. It's CG, but I like the show!

k_lala · 03-22-2011, 08:21 PM

I really like the animation done in Marvel vs Capcom 3. Yeah i know its a video game but even if it were done like that I watch. The cell shading done on that were amazing! Also the trailer movies look good too! It fits the style of TMNT if it were dark and griddy.

Newton Gimmick · 03-22-2011, 09:36 PM

Honestly it kind of depends. Some of that early CG where mouths didn't move properly with dialogue and everyone looked kind of clunky... I can't watch. Of course I couldn't watch it when it was NEW either.

If it's decent looking CG to begin with, it'll always look fine. Even if it gets dated. We're rapidly approaching a limit on what CG can look like anyway, to be honest.

JoeGro · 03-22-2011, 09:43 PM

I like the combination of a 2D style mixed with 3D CGI. It doesn't have to have the skin and texture renderings or the fluidity in movement that the big screen CGI blockbusters have to be watchable. I like stuff that is stylized rather than a mimic of realism sometimes. I still like animation of all sorts, so if the nostalgia of stylized 2D animation can be combined with the technology behind 3D animation, I think that can be a beautiful thing...... then again what do I know?

Dejablue · 03-23-2011, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TuЯco

yeah it does but i dont think the new ninja turtles series is going to have bad animation.
to be honest the only show that nick has bad animation for is the penguins. but hopefully the only reason it is so bad is because its a movie adaption pretty much. fanboy and chum chums animation looks pretty decent ill admit but that shows made to look cartoony.
im not really concerned about the animation. as long as it looks good. and they still have a little less than two years to release the new show so the turtles may be made less blocky.

but i agree no matter how good the plot is if the animation is trash its hard to watch. lol

Hah "Back to the Barnyard" and "Butt Ugly Martians" would like to have a word with you.

RskimB · 03-23-2011, 10:57 PM

no more than dated animation would. if the story still works or the humor is still intact i'll watch it regardless

03-20-2011, 09:18 AM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,838	Does dated CG animation turn you off from watching shows? For me, I cannot watch anything done is CG unless millions are spent on it and it looks like Pixar's or Dreamworks movies like Toy Story, Shrek, etc. Whenever I watch a CG show on TV, I just can't stand watching it for more than 10 minutes, it just bothers me. I know they don't have the budget a movie does, but it makes it really difficult to watch. If the Nick show doesn't show an increase in production values or the Turtles models don't improve, I think this show is going to be very difficult to watch. It'll feel like watching some old PS2 FMV cinema scene stretched into 30 minutes. Anyone concerned? No matter how good the plots are, if the CG animation isn't good I can't get into it.

03-20-2011, 09:24 AM	#2
PAAATE Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 993	As long as it's not a horrendous ****ing catastrophe: No. Though I never watch any shows that are just CGI. But if we take early Buffy the Vampire Slayer-episodes as an example: I don't mind the bad computer animation. As long as the story and characters are worth my time, the CG is allowed to be kinda bad. __________________ I'm a member. I forgot about it, so now I'm a remember.

03-20-2011, 10:15 AM	#3
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Simple answer no. For me it's the same with any other media. I love watching old movies, playing older games and older animation shows. it's not just the CG that counts, it's animation; how fluid is it, do the characters have weight and so on. The style; is it interesting or generic. Who designed it and do i suit the show and the characters. And there's music, effects, story and more. I think that the majority of people do not understand that 3D/CG animation is still in a infantile state, pretty much as "good old" 2D animation was back in it's initial start. The good CG movies we see today are the equivalent of what Snow White is to 2D animation. granted 3D animation have come a long way from Enter The Shizzagee, ReBoot, Transformers: Beast Wars, Donkey Kong Country the TV Series. 3D/CG Animators have to "rediscover" the principles of animation with the new tools that are out there, styles will be tested and have been tested, just like what 2D animation have done. Cartoony, Semi-realistic, Photo realistic. Different renders that can make the already finished 3D models look like entirely new characters. Example how a different render engine can change the entire look and feel of a modeled character can be seen on my own youtube page with videos of my TMNT model. [/end shameless ad] Of course watching high budget animated films will be more visually appealing, but there's more then just the visuals that counts. Just look at Avatar. What we have seen is a bare basic teaser. It's not even a teaser trailer, like the running scene teaser TMNT07 had. We have seen the individual CG models posing in a blank environment. Give them some textures and it will look like it's a whole different thing. But if you just don't like the style they are going for or just don't 3D/CG animation because it's "different", too bad. It's not made for you. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

03-20-2011, 10:25 AM	#4
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	It doesn't turn me off, at all. My favorite shows, like Beast Wars and ReBoot don't look amazing by today's standards, but they're still amazing cartoons that I enjoy rewatching. If the Turtles cartoon looks interesting (it does, thus far), and is written well, I don't see why it couldn't fall into the same bracket as the two shows I mentioned. "I cannot watch anything done is CG unless millions are spent on it and it looks like Pixar's or Dreamworks movies" That's a ridiculous statement, and it makes you come off like a snobby little ****. It also makes it apparent that you don't really have any concept of visual aesthetics. "Money went into it, so that's how I know it looks good." __________________ Stupendous Monster

03-20-2011, 10:48 AM	#6
TuЯco Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ny away from the city. Posts: 108	yeah it does but i dont think the new ninja turtles series is going to have bad animation. to be honest the only show that nick has bad animation for is the penguins. but hopefully the only reason it is so bad is because its a movie adaption pretty much. fanboy and chum chums animation looks pretty decent ill admit but that shows made to look cartoony. im not really concerned about the animation. as long as it looks good. and they still have a little less than two years to realese the new show so the turtles may be made less blocky. but i agree no matter how good the plot is if the animation is trash its hard to watch. lol __________________

03-20-2011, 11:21 AM	#9
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Bad animation of ANY variety will turn me off of a show; be it CGI, Flash or traditional cel animation. If the CG animation in the Nick series is up to snuff, then I'll enjoy the show. If its eye-gougingly amateurish, then I probably won't be watching. We'll just have to wait and see.

03-20-2011, 12:15 PM	#10
AllTheDVDsWillBeMine! Thug Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 52	If the show is well-written and the models are well-utilized, it will more than make up for weak model and environment construction. Case in point: Beast Wars: Transformers.

03-20-2011, 03:03 PM	#12
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	I'm not really a fan if CGI but that will never hold me back from watching/enjoying a turtle show or film.

03-20-2011, 05:35 PM	#15
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890	I prefer 2D animation over CG animation hands-down. However, I like a lot of CG movies and tend to stop thinking about how they're CG shortly into them. Also, as long as it's a good show, I can usually get past it. A good example would be Fanboy & Chum Chum. It's CG, but I like the show!

03-22-2011, 08:21 PM	#16
k_lala Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 413	I really like the animation done in Marvel vs Capcom 3. Yeah i know its a video game but even if it were done like that I watch. The cell shading done on that were amazing! Also the trailer movies look good too! It fits the style of TMNT if it were dark and griddy.

03-22-2011, 09:36 PM	#17
Newton Gimmick Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,154	Honestly it kind of depends. Some of that early CG where mouths didn't move properly with dialogue and everyone looked kind of clunky... I can't watch. Of course I couldn't watch it when it was NEW either. If it's decent looking CG to begin with, it'll always look fine. Even if it gets dated. We're rapidly approaching a limit on what CG can look like anyway, to be honest.

03-22-2011, 09:43 PM	#18
JoeGro Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NC Posts: 119	I like the combination of a 2D style mixed with 3D CGI. It doesn't have to have the skin and texture renderings or the fluidity in movement that the big screen CGI blockbusters have to be watchable. I like stuff that is stylized rather than a mimic of realism sometimes. I still like animation of all sorts, so if the nostalgia of stylized 2D animation can be combined with the technology behind 3D animation, I think that can be a beautiful thing...... then again what do I know? Last edited by JoeGro; 03-22-2011 at 09:49 PM.

03-23-2011, 10:57 PM	#20
RskimB Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west coast Posts: 302	no more than dated animation would. if the story still works or the humor is still intact i'll watch it regardless __________________ leswrite.com