Spider-Man TAS vs. Spectacular Spider-Man

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

you may call it "poor detailing", but it's the simplicity and the stylization I love about Cheeks art style.

Yeah simplicity would be a better word for it and I understand, that is simply a preference. I like my characters and scenes overal to have great detail. I will say that they were genius by using dark fight scenes at time, bc that allowed them to use even less detail, but look the same. Major props to them.

Take note how he didn't call me a dumbass or insult me at all. He simply gave his opinion!

[Sergio517]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Kind of a side question but you brought up a show and brushed it off. Brave and the bold.

You say it's obviously a kids show but have you watched it? The entire show is one giant nod to older fans. Don't even start on the art style since it's all based on the 60s Batman and is meant to be a throwback.

It should also be noted that these shows stem from comic books and characters that were created for children.

You're 100% correct. With Brave and the Bold, I knew what to expect. That show I have no problem with. I accepted the campy-ness of it and the whole direction the show went with. I didn't bring it up to be negative toward it just to clear things up there.

Regarding your comic statement though. Not all comics are geared toward children. Not unless you count teens as children. Not sure where the borderline age/maturity lies for you regarding what constitutes as children, but I've always felt that comics were geared toward an older audience ranging from teen and up otherwise comics would not have such mature, compelling, and intelligent stories. I don't think Batman was created for young children. His earliest incarnation had him using guns.

Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

And they ain't?

No. There are many art styles. Check out Batman: Gotham Knight to see various art styles.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Sergio517

No. There are many art styles. Check out Batman: Gotham Knight to see various art styles.

yes, Gotham Knight have a wide array of different designs, art design.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Turo602

So now we're wrong for having an opinion? It's all f*cking opinions at this point.

You know what really helps people not make fun of you? Knowing what you're talking about. If you simply just say you dislike something that's fine but when you go into detail and bring up things that make no sense people will call you out on it. Whether you like Spider-man TAS better then Spectacular is irrelevant, it's a fact that Spectacular has better animation. Not an opinion, a fact.

Saying something is your opinion does not give you free reign to make bogus claims or just state something that's out right wrong simply because you believe it to be true. If I told you it was my opinion the Holocaust never happened you would think I was raving mad. Experts could prove me wrong and no matter how much I thought otherwise I would be. Any one who knows anything about animation will tell you that TAS's animation was really rather poor and Spectacular's was worlds better.

Dislike things all you like, no one cares about that. It's when you become a half baked expert that people start calling you out on it.

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

You know what really helps people not make fun of you? Knowing what you're talking about. If you simply just say you dislike something that's fine but when you go into detail and bring up things that make no sense people will call you out on it. Whether you like Spider-man TAS better then Spectacular is irrelevant, it's a fact that Spectacular has better animation. Not an opinion, a fact.

Saying something is your opinion does not give you free reign to make bogus claims or just state something that's out right wrong simply because you believe it to be true. If I told you it was my opinion the Holocaust never happened you would think I was raving mad. Experts could prove me wrong and no matter how much I thought otherwise I would be. Any one who knows anything about animation will tell you that TAS's animation was really rather poor and Spectacular's was worlds better.

Dislike things all you like, no one cares about that. It's when you become a half baked expert that people start calling you out on it.

Of course the animation is better. When did I ever say it wasn't? You're talking about a show that came out in the 90s compared to a show that came out in 2008. I know the difference between animation and design. I said I like TAS better then Spectacular because it had better design, not animation, I myself agreed to Spectacular having better animation and action sequences due to less limitations. Just because a show is newer and can do a lot more then an older one doesn't make it better. So no, it's not my fault people got offended and decided to talk sh*t to me. I myself like Spectacular Spider-Man, but prefer TAS better. I liked the stories, I liked the crossovers, and I liked how they looked more serious. Dude, get your facts straight.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Turo602

When did I ever say it wasn't?

Maybe you didn't, but the other people included in your "So now we're wrong for having an opinion?" statement did. It was a blanket statement your quote was just a good starting point.

[Jester]

So I'm rewatching Spidey TAS. I'm guessing those of you decrying its animation are talking about the action...because the animation seems solid, when things are slow and there's not a lot going on.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Maybe you didn't, but the other people included in your "So now we're wrong for having an opinion?" statement did. It was a blanket statement your quote was just a good starting point.

No, I am the one that said it. And u need to stop trolling. its getting ridiculous.
-Spetacular only has better fluid motion with their scenes.
-TAS, has greater detail, and more life lick enviorment. They used Drawing perspective to give it a 3d rendering.
-Spetacular does not have line of perspective, it makes the enviorment seem flat, cheap.
-Spectacular also uses alot of dark scenes and over shades making it seem heavy, but when they are in day time, it lacks shading, making it lifeless.
-TAS uses apropiate shading in most scenes,
I can go on and on. The funny theing is that u cant really campare the animation much at all simply bc TAS=Western style and Spectacular=Manga style.

Originally Posted by Jester

So I'm rewatching Spidey TAS. I'm guessing those of you decrying its animation are talking about the action...because the animation seems solid, when things are slow and there's not a lot going on.

I agree with u. I jst hate how sensorship hindered so many tv show in the 90's such as the OT

[The Stryker]

I think you need to learn what trolling is. You can't just slap that on any counterpoint.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Stryker

I think you need to learn what trolling is. You can't just slap that on any counterpoint.

No, but when I c people discriminating other members for their age, calling others dumbass and going around straight up mocking other members is pretty much trolling. If not boarderline harrasment

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Stryker

I think you need to learn what trolling is. You can't just slap that on any counterpoint.

He needs to learn how to spell too.

Originally Posted by Jester

So I'm rewatching Spidey TAS. I'm guessing those of you decrying its animation are talking about the action...because the animation seems solid, when things are slow and there's not a lot going on.

The problem with it is they noticeably recycled a lot of animation. And yeah the fight scenes were pretty choppy sometimes. For the time it was alright, though stacked up against other series like Batman which came out years before, the animation isn't anything amazing.

My only argument was that Spectacular has better animation. I keep seeing counter points that talk about the style in which it's drawn. They're completely different subjects. Turo seems to be the only one whose figured it out so far.

Originally Posted by Redeemer

-TAS, has greater detail, and more life lick enviorment. They used Drawing perspective to give it a 3d rendering.

That was not drawing perspective. It had actual 3D, and it looked terrible.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

He needs to learn how to spell too.


The problem with it is they noticeably recycled a lot of animation. And yeah the fight scenes were pretty choppy sometimes. For the time it was alright, though stacked up against other series like Batman which came out years before, the animation isn't anything amazing.

My only argument was that Spectacular has better animation. I keep seeing counter points that talk about the style in which it's drawn. They're completely different subjects. Turo seems to be the only one whose figured it out so far.


That was not drawing perspective. It had actual 3D, and it looked terrible.

lol I have Dyslexia, I can switch my words around, ecspecially when I type fast or speak fast.

Second I am the one whos been explaining the difference in the styles with Western vs Manga/East style.

Third it is using line of perspective, that is how u make 3d animation without using cgi.

[Slap-Happy]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Spectacular had poor details. It was great with fluid animation, but they sacrificed detail to make it more fluid.

Um... No, they didn't have to sacrifice s*it. Cartoons are specifically designed a certain way before a show is made, you know, so they ACTUALLY know what it's going to look like.

There have been hundreds of cartoons with super detailed designs and fluid animation. The characters were designed that way to look unique, which I'm sorry to tell you, is the opposite of TAS. That show has some of the most generic designs I've ever seen in a cartoon.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Third it is using line of perspective, that is how u make 3d animation without using cgi.

Except it was CGI.

Originally, Marvel Films planned to make the backgrounds completely CGI while Spider-Man 'webslinged' around New York, yet due to budget constraints were forced to use traditional cel based animation while occasionally using CGI backgrounds. As well, reuse of animation became more common as the series progressed, which also included reuse of animation involving a character speaking (these scenes were sometimes slowed down in order to better match the actor's voice to the animation).

They used CGI plates for a lot of the swinging scenes, and some of the action ones too.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Slap Happy

Um... No, they didn't have to sacrifice s*it. Cartoons are specifically designed a certain way before a show is made, you know, so they ACTUALLY know what it's going to look like.

There have been hundreds of cartoons with super detailed designs and fluid animation. The characters were designed that way to look unique, which I'm sorry to tell you, is the opposite of TAS. That show has some of the most generic designs I've ever seen in a cartoon.

WRONG!!! c how annoying that is? I am want my super heroes to look like Super heroes. TAS had great atomic detail, making seem more life like. Sorry should of specific on the detail. I like how detailed the mucsle on characters looked. or even the facial expression. It actually look like they were speaking the words.
With Spectacular the characters looked slick giving them a unique look, but didn't look much like a super hero. And when they speak it doesn't look as realistic.

If u guys wanna know whERE I am getting my info its "How to draw comics the Marvel way" Stan Lee himself. they even have video on Youtube.

All bc u guys don't like what I am saying, then u dont have to call me names and please don't insult me by saying I am wrong when I am studying and even have the books in front of me, ur jst insulting my intelligence.

Oh and Spitfire as for the Swinging scenes u right they used CGI on most of those. The action scenes not so much

[Krang]

Enough of the arguing about TAS vs. Spectacular already. That's not even what this thread is supposed to be about. I'm going to lock this until we can clean this up and get back on topic.

Edit: Ok, this discussion has been split to a separate thread and will remain locked. If you'd like to discuss the new show, please continue to do so in the original thread.