David Wise - No Job for the "Turtle Guy"

[Jester]

On his facebook, David Wise mentioned that he was told "thanks but no thanks" for a recent writing job for being "The Turtle Guy" and the Turtles weren't as "edgy" as this was going to be.

I love David Wise's stuff. Some of his episodes of the TMNT, are the best in the series. Stuff like Legend of Koji, Shredder Triumphant not to mention the pilot and other episodes I've forgotten were written by him (Mr. Ogg not withstanding). Heck, like I said on facebook, with IMDb couldn't they see he's was more prolific than just the "Turtle Guy"? He also wrote for He-man, Transformers, and even My Little Pony. That's range!

So, what are your thoughts on this?

[oldmanwinters]

Wise is awesome! Maybe there's just a bias against 80s animation writers on the perception that their blend of action/humor just doesn't resonate with the kiddies of today?

Curse those modern-day "edgy"-obsessed network fools!

Also, White Belt, Black Heart was written by Jack & Carole Mendelsohn.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Also, White Belt, Black Heart was written by Jack & Carole Mendelsohn.

Oh...I'll fix it.

[rufus]

That sucks that they don't want David Wise. I agree that a good chunk of the episodes that he wrote for were some of the best episodes. He could do action, mystery and humor pretty well. The 5 part first episodes prove that he could write some really good stories for Nick's turtle show. and im rambling on.

[Jester]

Thanks to IMDb, here are the 70 ...wow... episodes Wise wrote:
EDIT: Some he was just story editor on...so it's not quite 100 episodes.

1. Turtle Tracks (14 December 1987) - Writer (writer)
2. Enter: The Shredder (15 December 1987) - Writer (writer)
3. A Thing About Rats (16 December 1987) - Writer (writer)
4. Hot-Rodding Teenagers from Dimension X (17 December 1987) - Writer (writer)
5. Shredded & Splintered (18 December 1987) - Writer (writer)
6. Return of the Shredder (1 October 1988 ) - Writer (story)
7. The Maltese Hamster (28 September 1989) - Writer (writer)
8. Take Me to Your Leader (13 October 1989) - Writer (writer)
9. Casey Jones: Outlaw Hero (25 October 1989) - Writer (writer)
10. Corporate Raiders from Dimension X (27 October 1989) - Writer (writer)
11. Blast from the Past (2 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
12. Usagi Yojimbo (7 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
13. Usagi Come Home (9 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
14. Leatherhead Meets the Rat King (13 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
15. The Missing Map (16 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
16. The Gang's All Here (17 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
17. Mister Ogg Goes to Town (21 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
18. Bye, Bye, Fly (23 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
19. The Big Break In (27 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
20. The Big Blow Out (28 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
21. Plan Six from Outer Space (8 September 1990) - Writer (writer) , executive story editor
22. The Big Cufflink Caper! (14 September 1990) - Writer (writer) , executive story editor
23. Son of Return of the Fly II (8 December 1990) - Writer (writer) , executive story editor
24. Bebop and Rocksteady Conquer the Universe (22 December 1990) - Writer (writer) , executive story editor
25. Slash: The Evil Turtle from Dimension X (5 January 1991) - Writer (writer) , executive story editor
26. Leonardo Lightens Up (12 January 1991) - executive story editor
27. Were-Rats from Channel 6 (19 January 1991) - Writer (writer) , executive story editor
28. The Big Zipp Attack (2 February 1991) - Writer (writer) , executive story editor
29. Farewell Lotus Blossom (16 February 1991) - Writer (writer) , executive story editor
30. Poor Little Rich Turtle (16 March 1991) - Writer (writer) , executive story editor
31. The Dimension X Story (30 March 1991) - Writer (writer) , executive story editor
32. Planet of the Turtleoids (31 August 1991) - Writer (writer)
33. Enter Mutagen Man (21 September 1991) - Writer (writer)
34. Michaelangelo Meets Bugman Again (24 September 1991) - Writer (writer)
35. The Ice Creature Cometh (2 October 1991) - Writer (writer)
36. Leonardo Cuts Loose (3 October 1991) - Writer (writer)
37. Rock Around the Block (14 September 1992) - Writer (writer)
38. Krangenstein Lives! (21 September 1992) - Writer (writer)
39. Super Irma (28 September 1992) - Writer (writer)
40. Return of the Turtleoid (19 October 1992) - Writer (writer)
41. Phantom of the Sewers (16 November 1992) - Writer (writer)
42. Donatello Trashes Slash (23 November 1992) - Writer (writer)
43. Leonardo Is Missing (30 November 1992) - Writer (writer)
44. Snakes Alive! (7 December 1992) - Writer (writer)
45. Night of the Dark Turtle (30 October 1993) - Writer (writer)
46. The Legend of Koji (6 November 1993) - Writer (writer)
47. The Starchild (6 November 1993) - Writer (writer)
48. Attack of the Neutrinos (20 November 1993) - Writer (writer)
49. Escape from the Planet of the Turtleoids (27 November 1993) - Writer (writer)
50. Revenge of the Fly (27 November 1993) - Writer (writer)
51. Atlantis Awakes (4 December 1993) - Writer (writer)
52. Dirk Savage: Mutant Hunter (4 December 1993) - Writer (writer)
53. Combat Land (11 December 1993) - Writer (writer)
54. Invasion of the Krangazoids (11 December 1993) - Writer (writer)
55. Shredder Triumphant (18 December 1993) - Writer (writer)
56. Get Shredder! (10 September 1994) - Writer (writer)
57. State of Shock (24 September 1994) - Writer (writer)
58. Cry H.A.V.O.C.! (1 October 1994) - Writer (writer)
59. H.A.V.O.C. in the Streets (8 October 1994) - Writer (writer)
60. Enter: Krakus (15 October 1994) - Writer (writer)
61. Wrath of the Rat King (17 October 1994) - Writer (writer)
62. Cyber Turtles (22 October 1994) - Writer (writer)
63. Turtle Trek (29 October 1994) - Writer (writer)
64. The Unknown Ninja (16 September 1995) - Writer (writer)
65. Dregg of the Earth (23 September 1995) - Writer (writer)
66. The Wrath of Medusa (30 September 1995) - Writer (writer)
67. The New Mutation (7 October 1995) - Writer (writer)
68. The Showdown (14 October 1995) - Writer (writer)
69. Split-Second (21 October 1995) - Writer (writer)
70. Carter, the Enforcer (28 October 1995) - Writer (writer)
71. Doomquest (4 November 1995) - Writer (writer)

[gobo]

Originally Posted by Jester

David Wise - No Job for the "Turtle Guy"

Them's the breaks, TurtleGuy.

[oldmanwinters]

Dude, Jester, you forgot to include "Planet of the Turtleoids" on your list!

Originally Posted by Jester

[*]The Gang's All Here (17 November 1989) - Writer (writer)
[*]Mister Ogg Goes to Town (21 November 1989) - Writer (writer)

lol, it's funny these are listed back-to-back. I guess Wise had hit a writer's block at this point, eh?

[Jester]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Dude, Jester, you forgot to include "Planet of the Turtleoids" on your list!

Blame IMDb. They list it separately from the series proper, I'm guessing since it was a prime time "movie".

EDIT: Added.

[FearlessLeader]

I think it's short sighted of them to not consider him because he isn't "edgy"

It's all about quality of writing. He wrote the original show in the style he was told to write it in. He didn't decide on the mood of the show.

[tone-master21]

You also forgot to add "Adventures of Rhino-Man".

Just checked David Wise did not write Gangs All Here, Leonardo Lightens Up and Unknown Ninja.

Gangs All Here- James A. Davis
Leonardo Lightens Up- Dan DiStefano
Unknown Ninja- Mark Edens and Bob Foward

[Jester]

Originally Posted by tone-master21

You also forgot to add "Adventures of Rhino-Man".

Just checked David Wise did not write Gangs All Here, Leonardo Lightens Up and Unknown Ninja.

Gangs All Here- James A. Davis
Leonardo Lightens Up- Dan DiStefano
Unknown Ninja- Mark Edens and Bob Foward

That's what I get for copying and pasting from IMDb....

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by tone-master21

Just checked David Wise did not write Gangs All Here

Oh, thank goodness! My faith in all that is good is restored!

Originally Posted by Jester

That's what I get for copying and pasting from IMDb....

Don't feel too bad, even the official site got it wrong!
http://www.ninjaturtles.com/cartoon/guide/cart058.htm

[Candy Kappa]

David, Davis... must be the same guy

[Jester]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Oh, thank goodness! My faith in all that is good is restored!

Spoiler:

Sadly he did still write Mr. Ogg

[oldmanwinters]

If Dan Berger were still webmaster over at ninjaturtles.com, I would seriously write him and request he fix that entry on "The Gang's All Here." I can't believe David Wise's name got attached to that train-wreck of an episode.

Maybe misinformation like that is why he didn't get work recently?

[Jester]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

If Dan Berger were still webmaster over at ninjaturtles.com, I would seriously write him and request he fix that entry on "The Gang's All Here." I can't believe David Wise's name got attached to that train-wreck of an episode.

Maybe misinformation like that is why he didn't get work recently?

I can attempt to edit the IMDb entry.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Dude, Jester, you forgot to include "Planet of the Turtleoids" on your list!

Damn, Jester... do you work at Lionsgate???

[Jester]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Damn, Jester... do you work at Lionsgate???

Yes. I'm the guy who keeps seasons 9 and 10 out of fans hands as well! MUHAHAHA!!!

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Jester

Sadly he did still write Mr. Ogg

Now that I've received the revelation that Wise had nothing (or at least didn't have the final say?) to do with Gang's All Here, I'm starting to think the Mr. Ogg episode can't be as bad as I remembered. We gotta get around to commentating on that episode soon, Jester!

[Jester]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Now that I've received the revelation that Wise had nothing (or at least didn't have the final say?) to do with Gang's All Here, I'm starting to think the Mr. Ogg episode can't be as bad as I remembered. We gotta get around to commentating on that episode soon, Jester!

Indeed. but I want Archon with us when we do....OH STEPHAN!?