1989: The Great TMNT Year(and will 2003 be the next 1989?)

beaker · 01-16-2003, 07:38 PM

It all keeps coming back to one thing for me when I think abou tmy love of the TMNT...that magical glorious endless concerto known as 1989. It's the year I discovered em, around the time they were on the cover of Nintendo Power. I had heard of em before, but this is when I really got into em. I got really into the cartoon, started checking out the reprinted black and white/tpb issues, getting the toys, and really digging that arcade game(IMHO one of the greatest TMNT things ever) I even remember Nintendo Power had a contest wher eyou could win a chance to be an extra in the movie. How epic that would have been to be a 11 year old in Shredder's arcade/dojo HQ hangout.

Then 1990 rolled around, and while at once bringing TMNT to out of hand mainstream Beatles/Power Rangers/Elvis/N*Sync proportions, really was the beginning of the end(for the spotlight at least) It just got watered down beyond belief. It's this reason I consider the first TMNT part of 1989, since it was filmed int he Fall of 1989...and also is the only one of the films to be of a darker edgier nature. Which was odd considering the cartoona nd Archie comic tone.

So...is 2003 the next 1989?(the last great TMNT year) Between the new cartoon, upcoming Dreamwave comic, and video games coming out...who knows? One thing, it would be a lock had that cgi film gone according to plan. *sigh* But for now, all we can do is hope.

Wingnut · 01-16-2003, 07:39 PM

Hope and pray man

**Karpo_007** · 01-16-2003, 08:24 PM

The best year for TMNT must have been 85-86. Let's hope that 2003 will restore the glory.

beaker · 01-16-2003, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

The best year for TMNT must have been 85-86. Let's hope that 2003 will restore the glory.

You were around as a TMNT fan back then? Dang! I think 1989 was such an exicting year for TMNT fans as it was the apex of cool and mainstream, but not super watered down mainstrem like the next year would be. I mean in the mid 80's there was just the comic, and I think an RPG game. By 1989 as I listed there were so many things to rejoice.

**Karpo_007** · 01-16-2003, 08:28 PM

No I wasn't, But You were taling about a good year, those were the best.

*Kameko* · 01-16-2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by beaker

So...is 2003 the next 1989?

Does this mean I get to be six years old again?

Shellfox · 01-17-2003, 01:31 PM

I have a feeling this year may leave a stain that can never be romoved from the TMNT leagacy.

But at least I may get a new Casey Jones out of the revivle

But really if it were CN doing the show I'd have more faith (yes I know I sound like a broken record) the comics may go on forever, or in few months they may not be worth lining the cage of a bird, TMNTs glory time is gone. Kids today won't really appeacate them, least not how they seemed to be desrcibed so far, chances are only the older fans will keep them alive, which I'm fine with, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems kids only care about monsters and massive distruction, the TMNT of today don't seem to give either

honestly I see this revivael in the mass media as a flash in the pan

**Karpo_007** · 01-17-2003, 01:36 PM

If by glory you mean a pokemon effect of the old show, you are probably right, that won't happen again. But this time we will get a well written action series instead of a badly writen comedy.

26 episodes have been confirmed, we should be happy we are getting even that much.

Mondo_Gecko · 01-17-2003, 02:23 PM

The old TMNT Cartoon was awesome. There is nothing wrong about it. Stop your bashing of it.

*Eye of Sarnath* · 01-17-2003, 02:29 PM

The new cartoon is going to rock. No question about it. So stop questioning it. Even Peter Laid thinks it's great. So it's gonna be great. Stop being so negative. Enjoy the TMNT revival. In less than a month, all you naysayers shall be DISPROVED!

*Nickokapo* · 01-17-2003, 02:32 PM

Yeah, i absolutely love the artwork, and the plots aren't half bad, tho knowing the mirage comics it might get weird here and there but nothing too extreme *coff*redsky*coff*
It's gonna rock!

I'm happy we're even getting 26 eps, but a second season would be good too..

**Karpo_007** · 01-17-2003, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo_Gecko

The old TMNT Cartoon was awesome. There is nothing wrong about it. Stop your bashing of it.

Nothing wrong? Well if you are saying that it is a a well written series, then you really don't know what it means. They practicly used same plot over and over again. Well the lack of continuity is part of the same problem.

Second, It lacked action. The TMNT not to mention the bad guys were practicly Klowns. Just joking around, The show hardly had any good fights.

And Im am sure that with in the Last months I have watched much more of the TMNT cartoon than you have. It is kid's cartoon, and kids doesn't really care how the writing was. Neither did I at young age.

So Im am not bashing the cartoon with out reason. Everything I said is true. It is diffrent thing if you still think it's the best thing in the universe, and say there is nothing wrong with it.

*Nickokapo* · 01-17-2003, 03:01 PM

Clowns go with 'c' buddy, and i know it's a kid's series, so it seems unfair you're looking at some big plot development when it wasnt aimed at people your age, but kids.
'sides, kids digged the plot, or else it wouldn't have lasted 10 seasons, repetitive or not, to me it had enough twists and different characters to keep me interested.
As a kid i know i loved the toon, and now i might not enjoy it as much as back then, but it still holds a place in my heart anyways, it brings back lotsa memories..

Mondo_Gecko · 01-17-2003, 03:07 PM

Exactly thats what i've been trying to say. I love the show becaause i loved the show back then. and watch it now is like reliving childhood all over again.

**Karpo_007** · 01-17-2003, 03:10 PM

There are well wrtitten cartoons too. Like BAtman TAS, and Justice League. And I don't hate the show, I think it still is a good kid's show. But it doesn't change the fact that Im not judging it from Kids point of view anymore.

But the new show has the potential to become something much more. A good action series with real plot. A plot that both kids and older people can enjoy.

beaker · 01-17-2003, 03:49 PM

It is hard to look back on somthing old like a cartoon and try to look at it with the same perspective you had when you were a kid. Thinking back with great memories is much different than going back and actually rewatching something as an older person. However I got the FHC TMNT vhs vol. 1 and LOVE that first episode to this day. Somehting epic about it. And that TMNT arcade game looks just and sound sjust as awesome to me now.

But yes, this new series, with 26 episode commitments already...looks to be a breath of fresh air and somethign special indeed.

**Karpo_007** · 01-17-2003, 03:53 PM

Well of course, the first season is a classic. Great action, good plots, and the best animation show ever had(Made by japanese) after that the show switched from action to slapstick. That's when the downfall happened.

beaker · 01-17-2003, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Well of course, the first season is a classic. Great action, good plots, and the best animation show ever had(Made by japanese) after that the show switched from action to slapstick. That's when the downfall happened.

Why cant more people see this? In the first season, they had the best animation(of the series, I think because it was slightly more anime esque due to a Japanese company involved), the show was exiciting, they USED WEAPONS, etc. Then, like TMNT 2,3, TNM, etc season 2 and beyond just went down the toilet. *sigh*

That first episode of TMNT still is one of the coolest TMNT things Ive seen.

**Karpo_007** · 01-17-2003, 04:55 PM

That is excatly how it goes. Well the last seasons got some action back, but it was nothing compared to first season.

Shellfox · 01-17-2003, 05:49 PM

The shows greatest weakness- plot, action, continuing story line

Ok bear with me and I'll try to explain. To old fans these are a plus but to kids (and lets face it they are the audiance regardless of what we want to believe). Most kids today only seem to find shows interesting if they involve pokemon like monsters or massive DBZ like distruction. The TMNT will not give them this. Add this to Plot, something very few netwqork kid shows have (lets face it they are pretty much the same show over and over again in most cartoons today). Action, this is out kind of action, not the energy/mon style fighting action. Finally continuing story line, most of the younger kids I watch from time to time, can't rember what happened in the show the day before, hell if their going to remeber what happened several weeks ago

and as for seeing all 26 eps, don't be so sure, they never finished Action Mans eps, and they had severl left, but Fox just didn't air the rest. And Even if they do Fox has a nasty tendanecy to only show the end of a series once (beast Machines, RiD, Nascar racers)

01-16-2003, 07:38 PM	#1
beaker Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 483	1989: The Great TMNT Year(and will 2003 be the next 1989?) It all keeps coming back to one thing for me when I think abou tmy love of the TMNT...that magical glorious endless concerto known as 1989. It's the year I discovered em, around the time they were on the cover of Nintendo Power. I had heard of em before, but this is when I really got into em. I got really into the cartoon, started checking out the reprinted black and white/tpb issues, getting the toys, and really digging that arcade game(IMHO one of the greatest TMNT things ever) I even remember Nintendo Power had a contest wher eyou could win a chance to be an extra in the movie. How epic that would have been to be a 11 year old in Shredder's arcade/dojo HQ hangout. Then 1990 rolled around, and while at once bringing TMNT to out of hand mainstream Beatles/Power Rangers/Elvis/NSync proportions, really was the beginning of the end(for the spotlight at least) It just got watered down beyond belief. It's this reason I consider the first TMNT part of 1989, since it was filmed int he Fall of 1989...and also is the only one of the films to be of a darker edgier nature. Which was odd considering the cartoona nd Archie comic tone. So...is 2003 the next 1989?(the last great TMNT year) Between the new cartoon, upcoming Dreamwave comic, and video games coming out...who knows? One thing, it would be a lock had that cgi film gone according to plan. sigh* But for now, all we can do is hope. __________________ .:\\.:beaker:.//:. let the 80's entropy begin!

01-16-2003, 07:39 PM	#2
Wingnut Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pao Pao Café Posts: 1,264	Hope and pray man __________________ "I'll be what I wanna do."

01-17-2003, 02:29 PM	#10
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	The new cartoon is going to rock. No question about it. So stop questioning it. Even Peter Laid thinks it's great. So it's gonna be great. Stop being so negative. Enjoy the TMNT revival. In less than a month, all you naysayers shall be DISPROVED! __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

01-17-2003, 02:32 PM	#11
Nickokapo Emperor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Argentina Posts: 5,802	Yeah, i absolutely love the artwork, and the plots aren't half bad, tho knowing the mirage comics it might get weird here and there but nothing too extreme coffredskycoff It's gonna rock! I'm happy we're even getting 26 eps, but a second season would be good too.. __________________

01-17-2003, 03:01 PM	#13
Nickokapo Emperor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Argentina Posts: 5,802	Clowns go with 'c' buddy, and i know it's a kid's series, so it seems unfair you're looking at some big plot development when it wasnt aimed at people your age, but kids. 'sides, kids digged the plot, or else it wouldn't have lasted 10 seasons, repetitive or not, to me it had enough twists and different characters to keep me interested. As a kid i know i loved the toon, and now i might not enjoy it as much as back then, but it still holds a place in my heart anyways, it brings back lotsa memories.. __________________

01-16-2003, 08:24 PM	#3
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	The best year for TMNT must have been 85-86. Let's hope that 2003 will restore the glory.

01-16-2003, 08:28 PM	#5
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	No I wasn't, But You were taling about a good year, those were the best.

01-17-2003, 01:31 PM	#7
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	I have a feeling this year may leave a stain that can never be romoved from the TMNT leagacy. But at least I may get a new Casey Jones out of the revivle But really if it were CN doing the show I'd have more faith (yes I know I sound like a broken record) the comics may go on forever, or in few months they may not be worth lining the cage of a bird, TMNTs glory time is gone. Kids today won't really appeacate them, least not how they seemed to be desrcibed so far, chances are only the older fans will keep them alive, which I'm fine with, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems kids only care about monsters and massive distruction, the TMNT of today don't seem to give either honestly I see this revivael in the mass media as a flash in the pan

01-17-2003, 01:36 PM	#8
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	If by glory you mean a pokemon effect of the old show, you are probably right, that won't happen again. But this time we will get a well written action series instead of a badly writen comedy. 26 episodes have been confirmed, we should be happy we are getting even that much.

01-17-2003, 02:23 PM	#9
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	The old TMNT Cartoon was awesome. There is nothing wrong about it. Stop your bashing of it.

01-17-2003, 03:07 PM	#14
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	Exactly thats what i've been trying to say. I love the show becaause i loved the show back then. and watch it now is like reliving childhood all over again.

01-17-2003, 03:10 PM	#15
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	There are well wrtitten cartoons too. Like BAtman TAS, and Justice League. And I don't hate the show, I think it still is a good kid's show. But it doesn't change the fact that Im not judging it from Kids point of view anymore. But the new show has the potential to become something much more. A good action series with real plot. A plot that both kids and older people can enjoy.

01-17-2003, 03:49 PM	#16
beaker Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 483	It is hard to look back on somthing old like a cartoon and try to look at it with the same perspective you had when you were a kid. Thinking back with great memories is much different than going back and actually rewatching something as an older person. However I got the FHC TMNT vhs vol. 1 and LOVE that first episode to this day. Somehting epic about it. And that TMNT arcade game looks just and sound sjust as awesome to me now. But yes, this new series, with 26 episode commitments already...looks to be a breath of fresh air and somethign special indeed. __________________ .:\\.:beaker:.//:. let the 80's entropy begin!

01-17-2003, 03:53 PM	#17
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well of course, the first season is a classic. Great action, good plots, and the best animation show ever had(Made by japanese) after that the show switched from action to slapstick. That's when the downfall happened.

01-17-2003, 04:55 PM	#19
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	That is excatly how it goes. Well the last seasons got some action back, but it was nothing compared to first season.

01-17-2003, 05:49 PM	#20
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	The shows greatest weakness- plot, action, continuing story line Ok bear with me and I'll try to explain. To old fans these are a plus but to kids (and lets face it they are the audiance regardless of what we want to believe). Most kids today only seem to find shows interesting if they involve pokemon like monsters or massive DBZ like distruction. The TMNT will not give them this. Add this to Plot, something very few netwqork kid shows have (lets face it they are pretty much the same show over and over again in most cartoons today). Action, this is out kind of action, not the energy/mon style fighting action. Finally continuing story line, most of the younger kids I watch from time to time, can't rember what happened in the show the day before, hell if their going to remeber what happened several weeks ago and as for seeing all 26 eps, don't be so sure, they never finished Action Mans eps, and they had severl left, but Fox just didn't air the rest. And Even if they do Fox has a nasty tendanecy to only show the end of a series once (beast Machines, RiD, Nascar racers)