The Leonardo Thread - Page 3

Julie · 05-08-2011, 02:15 AM

I love Leonardo, he's my favourite turtle and always will be! He rules!

*Bauer536* · 05-09-2011, 09:37 AM

Leo rocks! I love this turtle. As a skillful ninja, he is the best with his katanas. My favorite color is blue and I am a disciplined kind of guy. I think that’s a reason why he’s my favorite. Still, I have a lot to say. Leo in the OT, was not bad, but not great. Leo in the 2k3 toon, my apologies: worst depiction ever! Leo is supposed to be strong and intelligent, and I felt they made him very weak and idiotic in that toon. I also hated it when they gave him a dark side that he had to overcome during season 4. It was a cool idea, but this went on for about 10 or 12 episodes. I simply thought to myself, “If this goes on too long, he’s going to lose popularity.” Plus, the guy who did his voice (I know you might like him) made Leo sound like a whiney baby. In my opinion, Michael Sinterniklaas was the worst voice of all Leonardos. James Arnold Taylor, however, was the best! He made Leo sound like a mature and upstanding guy. Every time I hear him as the Green Arrow on Batman: Brave and the Bold, I just picture Taylor saying the lines as the turtle. No, I did not want his butt kicked by Raphael when he said, “I’m better than you!” I know he’s supposed to be humble, but he is better than Raph - he is good at controlling his temper and using his brain, unlike the hothead. Jason Biggs – sounds like a great choice to play him. Overall, what can I say. He may not be perfect, but he’s perfect enough to be called a hero.

Just to add: comparing him to Captain America is better than choosing Cyclops. I just feel that Leo is like Superman a little, even though he does not have powers. Maybe he’s a little bit of Batman due to leadership and martial arts skills. What do you think?

Bjarni · 05-09-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bauer536

I also hated it when they gave him a dark side that he had to overcome during season 4. It was a cool idea, but this went on for about 10 or 12 episodes. I simply thought to myself, “If this goes on too long, he’s going to lose popularity.” Plus, the guy who did his voice (I know you might like him) made Leo sound like a whiney baby. In my opinion, Michael Sinterniklaas was the worst voice of all Leonardos.

I was very happy with Leonardo's development as a character in the 4Kids season, I would hate if all the characters in a 8 year long cartoon would never evolve. The fact that he didn't get a weapon during the Ninja Tribunal killed me! It was great writing and I loved seeing Leonardo step up as the leader instead of just having it as a role he was always born into.
I also loved Michael's voice work. Though he was totally challenging a teenager more than a leader, which I thought was fine as well.

The only Leonardo I haven't been fully happy with was the OT incarnation in Turtles Forever. I really can't imagine Jason Biggs doing the voice, but I hope they chose him for his acting abilities.

Also, I wouldn't say Leo is anything like Batman, because no matter how many sidekicks or leagues he has, Batman. works. alone. Leonardo is a part of an entity, which is why I think people are maybe comparing him more to Cyclops. Plus, they are both mutants.

*BubblyShell22* · 05-09-2011, 03:41 PM

I have always loved Leo as my favorite Turtle. I think 2K3 was the best portrayal of him. Michael S. did a great job with the voice, and I sympathized with him in season four because I knew how he felt. I was feeling that way, too, because of college. Sometimes, I get depressed and feel like a failure when things do't go my way. So, I know how he feels in that regard.

*Bauer536* · 05-09-2011, 06:33 PM

I understand. I know heroes can face their failures, but I thought it went on too long. I wouldn’t mind this storyline only if it took place in five episodes. Still, we have our own opinions. I will say this though, I hated when he met the Ancient One. To me, that sensei was like a crude and nastier version of Yoda. Splinter is more like Yoda, not this guy. Plus, the episode was unoriginal, completely ripping off Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back by the end with the rock monster. You should have seen my reaction. I was like, “Stolen, you have. Abandon you, I will.”

Julie · 05-10-2011, 04:07 AM

Leo in the 2k3 toon, my apologies: worst depiction ever! Leo is supposed to be strong and intelligent, and I felt they made him very weak and idiotic in that toon.***

Don't say that, there's nothing 'idiotic' in the 2003's Leonardo, well I think he was the best of all the versions of him.
Yea, I didn't like Leo's attitude in season 4 but I understand him very much after he got the psychological trauma due to the encounter with the Shredder. But I still love him. Him and Mikey are my top favourites.

Bjarni · 05-10-2011, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Julie

I understand him very much after he got the psychological trauma due to the encounter with the Shredder.

Wasn't he traumatized because a person he considered an ally (Karai) stabbed him with a sword, almost killing him?

*Bauer536* · 05-10-2011, 09:13 AM

I don’t remember him being stabbed. All I know is that is why as a ninja, Leo is like Superman or Jack Bauer. He cannot fall in love with anyone when he’s working. If he does, that person or the people around him get hurt. That’s why Nickelodeon should do a few storylines on Leo and Karai’s relationship at a minimum. If there is too much, then our action comedy will end up as a soap opera. I’m not trying to say I don’t want drama; I just don’t want ridiculous drama.

Julie · 05-10-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjarni

Wasn't he traumatized because a person he considered an ally (Karai) stabbed him with a sword, almost killing him?

That's not the reason. Leo just blamed himself for not being able to save his family, because they almost got killed by the Shredder, well, and Karai - hmm, I don't think she was a good person at all, I hate her.

*ssjup81* · 05-10-2011, 12:10 PM

Just so you know, I can only talk about Mirage/Archie/OT Leo, so here goes.

As a child, I always found Leo to be kind of a boring character, because he was the straight man who didn't have any quirks to him, like Raph or Mikey. I felt the same about Donny as a kid. The Abbot of Abbot & Costello. The Hardy of Laurel & Hardy. Leo by himself, just didn't work for me.

Anywho, one thing I do love about the character is his discipline and loyalty to doing what's right. In that regard, he was a great character. For the OT series, two of my fav eps is Renaissance Turtle and the one with the snakes. I also like Combat Land because Leo learned that he actually does need the other three around. I also loved him in Leonardo Loosens Up. It showed how much of a strategist he could be.

Anywho, Leo's a nice character, just too "good" for me.

FearlessLeader · 05-10-2011, 01:52 PM

Bauer536 I won't try to change your opinion of the 2K3 show because everyone in entitled to whatever they think I would just like to point out a few things to you.

You hating the Ancient One episode because it is a rip off of Star Wars. You do realize pretty much in every media in the Turtles have parodied something else?? Heck the entire idea for the series was a parody of a few different comic series. If you look in the "Turtle Tuesdays" thread on here by the AVGN last weeks points out all the different sci-fi and horror films that were parodied by the OT and a lot of 2K3 is the same. I love the end of season three because it completely rips off one of the Star Trek films.

As for your anger at Leo in season four of 2K3. I can understand you not liking it, I certainly don't enjoy watching my favorite character hate himself and tear himself apart, but it's the being he becomes afterwards that makes that 13 episode arch worth it. Leo was young, and with each defeat we see him have to pull himself together regroup and become a stronger man and leader. First in Shredder Strikes part 1 where he is tricked by Saki, then in Shredder Strikes Back part 1 where Shredder and the Foot decimate him.

But nothing hurts him more then what happens to him in Exodus and that is because not only is he hurt, but he feels his inabilities also place his family and even the universe at risk. Quote taken from the episode "Sons of the Silent Age":

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Leo: "Yeah well, I don't know.... well I guess I do. It's just I can't stop thinking about the last time we faced off against the Shredder. That the only way we could have defeated him was by blowing ourselves up. I couldn't protect my brother, my Master. I feel like such a complete failure! And no matter how I try to rationalize it, justify it, it always comes down to the fact that I wasn't good enough!

You like Leo because he is a hero, well he can't be one without the ability to grow and mature. Even the 2007 movie which I can see you really like actually have Leo go through a similar process in the prequel comics that lead up to the film. Leonardo is fairly lost and uncertain of himself or his place in his family and he goes out into the world saves people and tries to figure out who he is. He even meets the Ancient One in that universe and is told fairly similar things to him as in the 2k3 series. 2007 Leo and 2k3 are so alike and actually walk very similar paths that is surprises me that you hate one and love the other??

Also as for the "I'm better then you" line and Leo being better than Raphael. Leonardo didn't, in my opinion say that because he even believes he is better then his brother. Leonardo was struggling to figure out if he really was a good leader for the Turtles. When Raphael told him that they didn't need him and that they had gotten along great with him gone it cut through Leo like a knife. It was pretty much everything he feared happening thrown in his face. So he hit's Raphael back in the same place for him. By telling him he is better then he is, the one thing that I really thing Raphael fears.

Neither is better then the other and I will go so far as to say that the two function terribly without the support of the other. Leo and Raph have a very ying and yang effect to each other. Leonardo tends to keep Raphael from acting too rash and getting himself or anyone else killed. Raphael tends to help Leo from turning his self criticism to deeply inward and makes him face his issues head on versus just brooding about them.

Basically I am just trying to say that in the end Leonardo is who he is. He has faults he will face problems. He was never really written to be a "super hero" he was written to be a guy that was raised by an honorable man who instills these same values in him and it makes him want to help people and better himself daily.

And I think I am going to end this with a quote from Usagi from "Samurai Tourist" cause I like it and I feel it kind of fits everything I wrote about here.

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Usagi: "Failure, fear, in the lives we lead these things are enviable. How we deal with them, that is the true test of our character."

*Bauer536* · 05-10-2011, 04:57 PM

You’ve explained it so well. It makes me wonder if I am looking at it the wrong way. It has been hard for me to get past the voices and animation of that show. Something about the voices bothers me. The animation was too bright, and I felt it should have had more variety. It was such a distraction to me, maybe this kept me from understanding what was going on. Thanks for the response.

FearlessLeader · 05-10-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bauer536

You’ve explained it so well. It makes me wonder if I am looking at it the wrong way. It has been hard for me to get past the voices and animation of that show. Something about the voices bothers me. The animation was too bright, and I felt it should have had more variety. It was such a distraction to me, maybe this kept me from understanding what was going on. Thanks for the response.

I will also not say I am 100% right but I have re-watched and re-read all this stuff a lot and talked with a few of my friends about it, so I feel pretty secure throwing it out there as my opinion at least.

I love the 2k3 show, wish I could somehow spread this love to you, but I can see you just don't like it which is totally cool in my book. I personally can't stand Next Mutation, mostly because I hate Leo's portrayal in that series so I understand were you are coming from.

Still I love any chance to talk about my favorite Turtle so I was happy to reply

Julie · 05-11-2011, 04:21 AM

No matter what people say about Leo, he will always be the best!

**Jester** · 05-11-2011, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Julie

No matter what people say about Leo, he will always be the best!

Unless you're a Raph, Don, or Mike fan....

Julie · 05-11-2011, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Unless you're a Raph, Don, or Mike fan....

LOL, I'm a Leo and also Mikey fan.

Bjarni · 05-18-2011, 05:52 PM

GamesFAQ had a poll the other day, which TMNT is your favorite?

Leonardo won with like 50% more votes then any other Turtle or something...

**Jester** · 05-18-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjarni

GamesFAQ had a poll the other day, which TMNT is your favorite?

Leonardo won with like 50% more votes then any other Turtle or something...

I'd really like to see that.

*Koi* · 05-18-2011, 07:11 PM

I bet Don came in last.

**Jester** · 05-18-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Orangey

I bet Don came in last.

Sadly you're probably right. Donnie never gets any love.

05-09-2011, 03:41 PM	#44
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I have always loved Leo as my favorite Turtle. I think 2K3 was the best portrayal of him. Michael S. did a great job with the voice, and I sympathized with him in season four because I knew how he felt. I was feeling that way, too, because of college. Sometimes, I get depressed and feel like a failure when things do't go my way. So, I know how he feels in that regard. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

05-10-2011, 04:07 AM	#46
Julie Thug Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 63	Leo in the 2k3 toon, my apologies: worst depiction ever! Leo is supposed to be strong and intelligent, and I felt they made him very weak and idiotic in that toon.*** Don't say that, there's nothing 'idiotic' in the 2003's Leonardo, well I think he was the best of all the versions of him. Yea, I didn't like Leo's attitude in season 4 but I understand him very much after he got the psychological trauma due to the encounter with the Shredder. But I still love him. Him and Mikey are my top favourites. Last edited by Julie; 05-22-2011 at 02:46 PM.

05-18-2011, 05:52 PM	#57
Bjarni Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Iceland Posts: 285	GamesFAQ had a poll the other day, which TMNT is your favorite? Leonardo won with like 50% more votes then any other Turtle or something... __________________ My YouTube account

05-08-2011, 02:15 AM	#41
Julie Thug Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 63	I love Leonardo, he's my favourite turtle and always will be! He rules!

05-09-2011, 09:37 AM	#42
Bauer536 Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,550	Leo rocks! I love this turtle. As a skillful ninja, he is the best with his katanas. My favorite color is blue and I am a disciplined kind of guy. I think that’s a reason why he’s my favorite. Still, I have a lot to say. Leo in the OT, was not bad, but not great. Leo in the 2k3 toon, my apologies: worst depiction ever! Leo is supposed to be strong and intelligent, and I felt they made him very weak and idiotic in that toon. I also hated it when they gave him a dark side that he had to overcome during season 4. It was a cool idea, but this went on for about 10 or 12 episodes. I simply thought to myself, “If this goes on too long, he’s going to lose popularity.” Plus, the guy who did his voice (I know you might like him) made Leo sound like a whiney baby. In my opinion, Michael Sinterniklaas was the worst voice of all Leonardos. James Arnold Taylor, however, was the best! He made Leo sound like a mature and upstanding guy. Every time I hear him as the Green Arrow on Batman: Brave and the Bold, I just picture Taylor saying the lines as the turtle. No, I did not want his butt kicked by Raphael when he said, “I’m better than you!” I know he’s supposed to be humble, but he is better than Raph - he is good at controlling his temper and using his brain, unlike the hothead. Jason Biggs – sounds like a great choice to play him. Overall, what can I say. He may not be perfect, but he’s perfect enough to be called a hero. Just to add: comparing him to Captain America is better than choosing Cyclops. I just feel that Leo is like Superman a little, even though he does not have powers. Maybe he’s a little bit of Batman due to leadership and martial arts skills. What do you think?

05-09-2011, 06:33 PM	#45
Bauer536 Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,550	I understand. I know heroes can face their failures, but I thought it went on too long. I wouldn’t mind this storyline only if it took place in five episodes. Still, we have our own opinions. I will say this though, I hated when he met the Ancient One. To me, that sensei was like a crude and nastier version of Yoda. Splinter is more like Yoda, not this guy. Plus, the episode was unoriginal, completely ripping off Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back by the end with the rock monster. You should have seen my reaction. I was like, “Stolen, you have. Abandon you, I will.”

05-10-2011, 09:13 AM	#48
Bauer536 Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,550	I don’t remember him being stabbed. All I know is that is why as a ninja, Leo is like Superman or Jack Bauer. He cannot fall in love with anyone when he’s working. If he does, that person or the people around him get hurt. That’s why Nickelodeon should do a few storylines on Leo and Karai’s relationship at a minimum. If there is too much, then our action comedy will end up as a soap opera. I’m not trying to say I don’t want drama; I just don’t want ridiculous drama.

05-10-2011, 12:10 PM	#50
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	Just so you know, I can only talk about Mirage/Archie/OT Leo, so here goes. As a child, I always found Leo to be kind of a boring character, because he was the straight man who didn't have any quirks to him, like Raph or Mikey. I felt the same about Donny as a kid. The Abbot of Abbot & Costello. The Hardy of Laurel & Hardy. Leo by himself, just didn't work for me. Anywho, one thing I do love about the character is his discipline and loyalty to doing what's right. In that regard, he was a great character. For the OT series, two of my fav eps is Renaissance Turtle and the one with the snakes. I also like Combat Land because Leo learned that he actually does need the other three around. I also loved him in Leonardo Loosens Up. It showed how much of a strategist he could be. Anywho, Leo's a nice character, just too "good" for me.

05-10-2011, 04:57 PM	#52
Bauer536 Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,550	You’ve explained it so well. It makes me wonder if I am looking at it the wrong way. It has been hard for me to get past the voices and animation of that show. Something about the voices bothers me. The animation was too bright, and I felt it should have had more variety. It was such a distraction to me, maybe this kept me from understanding what was going on. Thanks for the response.

05-11-2011, 04:21 AM	#54
Julie Thug Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 63	No matter what people say about Leo, he will always be the best!

05-18-2011, 07:11 PM	#59
Koi Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,787	I bet Don came in last.