Wow, TMNT Adventures offended a lot of Christians - Page 2

*Kunoichi_Haruko* · 05-31-2011, 09:33 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, the people you are describing are called "Fundamentalists". And sadly, they come in every color and creed, and most importantly, in every religion. Using this term will help reduce the chance of painting an entire religion with the same broad brush, I think.

As for these letter writers *shakes head* Murphy's a good one for responding, because I know if I'd been in his place, I would've rolled my eyes and tossed them in the garbage.

Abnormal Freak · 05-31-2011, 10:05 PM

"Fundamentalist" is such a stupid attack term, though. I adhere to traditional, fundamental, biblical Christian interpretations and values, but I and most Christians I know are nothing like the crazies who get covered in the news media and who are scornfully referred to as fundamentalist Christians. Somehow, in the minds of the public, someone who sticks to traditional theological teachings and so forth is automatically considered an out-of-their-mind racist and so forth with no real knowledge of anything. Those are just a very ignorant minority (although sadly still large in numbers), and I hate that the term "fundamentalist" is used in such a negative sense and as an attack word.

Anyway, having not really read the letters Speng is referring to, I can't really contribute—but in some of Murph's stories, he has seemed rather hostile toward Christianity. Not that I've noticed in the Archie series, but in some other writings I've gotten that vibe.

*Kendamu* · 05-31-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Come on man, I can appreciate the humor but its comments like these that make Krang stick in the key and turn the lock on threads.

Hopefully Krang understands that I made a pretty clear jab at those who give religion a bad name and did so without having to explain the punchline. I mean, really, the joke would've been extremely lame if I had to insult the intelligence of religious people who don't use their beliefs to give everyone else a hard time by making this super huge political correctness disclaimer that was all like, "THIS JOKE, FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T SEE MY SMILEY OR READ BETWEEN THE LINES, IS ABOUT THOSE NUTJOBS WHO ABUSE YOUR FAITH AND RUIN IT FOR EVERYBODY!" in my post.

Aw, crap. Now I just ruined everything by explaining it.

*Powder* · 05-31-2011, 10:20 PM

Well, I made a similar comment in a thread once and it apparently wasn't taken that way.

*Kendamu* · 05-31-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Well, I made a similar comment in a thread once and it apparently wasn't taken that way.

Just because those people are stupid doesn't mean we have to be limited to speech only stupid people understand.

*gobo* · 05-31-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Normally, I just flip through the letters column and only read the replies to see if there's any good apocryphal info in there (plot devices that never saw implementation, like Rocksteady's pet parrot being a "Turnstone locating device").

That's the same way I used to do it... back when I read comics that even had letters pages.

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Originally Posted by Abnormal Freak

"Fundamentalist" is such a stupid attack term, though. [yada, yada, yada]

How 'bout hypocrites then?

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Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

Just because those people are stupid doesn't mean we have to be limited to speech only stupid people understand.

Sure, it does. How would you like it if our obvious jokes went over your head? IDIOTS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!

Now, you reply with "good point" and start burning books.

**Krang** · 06-01-2011, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

Hopefully Krang understands that I made a pretty clear jab at those who give religion a bad name and did so without having to explain the punchline.

Yep, not a problem.

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Originally Posted by Powder

Well, I made a similar comment in a thread once and it apparently wasn't taken that way.

If you're referring to the post I'm thinking of, "similar" would really be stretching it...

Anyway, thanks to everyone for keeping this discussion mature and civil so far.

Abnormal Freak · 06-01-2011, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gobo

How 'bout hypocrites then?

"Hypocrites" works for me. ;) There certainly are a lot of them in the church. (Although I'd argue that someone making a bad choice and doing the opposite of what they would like others to do isn't the same as hypocrisy; if they're doing the opposite of what they preach regularly, then yeah, for sure that's a feigned religiosity.) But even that doesn't quite describe the really nutty people who are completely ignorant of what the Bible actually says (and I mean the ULTRA nutty people who are thankfully few but unfortunately very outspoken and covered by news outlets). They're just wackjobs...and they are everywhere in every religion or not a part of a religion and so on.

*Luzmagica* · 06-01-2011, 05:23 AM

^ 100% agree...

By the way....I cannot remember an alone exemption or series of success that has not been banned/"insulted" by catholic extremists...

Even the most innocent show...

*Xav* · 06-01-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Well guess what parents, the turtles are not only not christian, but they're not humans. Take issue with that ya kooks!

The Turtles are christian they celebrate Christmas right?

*Candy Kappa* · 06-01-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Xav

The Turtles are christian they celebrate Christmas right?

Christmas/X-mas/Yule is widely celebrated without being a part of the Christian religion, don't think that could be a proof of the Turtles own beliefs system.

Logan · 06-01-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Abnormal Freak

"Fundamentalist" is such a stupid attack term, though. I adhere to traditional, fundamental, biblical Christian interpretations and values, but I and most Christians I know are nothing like the crazies who get covered in the news media and who are scornfully referred to as fundamentalist Christians. Somehow, in the minds of the public, someone who sticks to traditional theological teachings and so forth is automatically considered an out-of-their-mind racist and so forth with no real knowledge of anything. Those are just a very ignorant minority (although sadly still large in numbers), and I hate that the term "fundamentalist" is used in such a negative sense and as an attack word.

I'm with you on this. I'm a practicing Christian, but I wouldn't say that I'm in anyway a "wet blanket". There are plenty of things that I read, watch, and listen to that aren't a reflection of my beliefs, but I enjoy them all the same.

I think it's ridiculous for these people to attack the creative team for presenting fictional ideas in their work. If parents are really that concerned about it, they should fulfill their job description. That's what my folks did, and I've turned out just fine.

*plastroncafe* · 06-01-2011, 11:53 AM

I've found that "Christianist" has been a good catch-all term for the specific hypocrites that get bandied about the news as Fundamentalist Christians. I'd imagine it's also probably a whole lot less insulting than "Fundies."

*DrSpengler* · 06-01-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Xav

The Turtles are christian they celebrate Christmas right?

Christmas is a holiday with two fiercely different sides: theistic and commercialist.

I'm atheist and I celebrate several commercial Christmas traditions. Doesn't make me Christian.

*ToTheNines* · 06-01-2011, 02:31 PM

This is less of a "Christian thing" and more of a "narrowminded/paranoid/overbearing parent thing".

My mother's very very religious, but has never had a problem with me watching/reading Turtles, or really anything. But I have cousins with a not-so-religious mother who wouldn't let them watch Ed, Edd, and Eddy because they "worship jawbreakers".

And you know there's Muslim parents out there that would lose their minds if their children were watching, say, A Charlie Brown Christmas. And there's those who wouldn't really care. There's certainly examples for every single religion, but we tend to see more crazy Christians just because it's the most common religion here in America.

*gobo* · 06-01-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I have cousins with a not-so-religious mother who wouldn't let them watch Ed, Edd, and Eddy because they "worship jawbreakers".

That's a sneaky way of saying "it's just plain stupid", huh?

*Spitfire* · 06-01-2011, 02:50 PM

I wouldn't fret too much about it. The false Rapture thinned the herd quite a bit and come October when someone's "math was off" again there will be even less. Looking forward to 2012 more by the day.

*gobo* · 06-01-2011, 02:55 PM

What's in October? O_o

*CyberCubed* · 06-01-2011, 02:57 PM

These are sad people, trying to look at everything as if it contains the devil or is evil. I honestly feel sorry for people like this.

*plastroncafe* · 06-01-2011, 02:57 PM

According to that one guy, it's game over for the human race.
Which cracks me up, because I'm running in a zombie themed obstacle course the very next day.

05-31-2011, 09:33 PM	#21
Kunoichi_Haruko A shell of a good hit! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Richmond, Va. Posts: 1,685	Ladies and Gentlemen, the people you are describing are called "Fundamentalists". And sadly, they come in every color and creed, and most importantly, in every religion. Using this term will help reduce the chance of painting an entire religion with the same broad brush, I think. As for these letter writers shakes head Murphy's a good one for responding, because I know if I'd been in his place, I would've rolled my eyes and tossed them in the garbage. __________________

05-31-2011, 10:05 PM	#22
Abnormal Freak Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: MN Posts: 779	"Fundamentalist" is such a stupid attack term, though. I adhere to traditional, fundamental, biblical Christian interpretations and values, but I and most Christians I know are nothing like the crazies who get covered in the news media and who are scornfully referred to as fundamentalist Christians. Somehow, in the minds of the public, someone who sticks to traditional theological teachings and so forth is automatically considered an out-of-their-mind racist and so forth with no real knowledge of anything. Those are just a very ignorant minority (although sadly still large in numbers), and I hate that the term "fundamentalist" is used in such a negative sense and as an attack word. Anyway, having not really read the letters Speng is referring to, I can't really contribute—but in some of Murph's stories, he has seemed rather hostile toward Christianity. Not that I've noticed in the Archie series, but in some other writings I've gotten that vibe. __________________

06-01-2011, 05:23 AM	#29
Luzmagica A Magic Light Dudette! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Spain. Posts: 3,878	^ 100% agree... By the way....I cannot remember an alone exemption or series of success that has not been banned/"insulted" by catholic extremists... Even the most innocent show... __________________

06-01-2011, 02:50 PM	#37
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	I wouldn't fret too much about it. The false Rapture thinned the herd quite a bit and come October when someone's "math was off" again there will be even less. Looking forward to 2012 more by the day. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

06-01-2011, 02:55 PM	#38
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	What's in October? O_o __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

05-31-2011, 10:20 PM	#24
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Well, I made a similar comment in a thread once and it apparently wasn't taken that way.

06-01-2011, 02:31 PM	#35
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,050	This is less of a "Christian thing" and more of a "narrowminded/paranoid/overbearing parent thing". My mother's very very religious, but has never had a problem with me watching/reading Turtles, or really anything. But I have cousins with a not-so-religious mother who wouldn't let them watch Ed, Edd, and Eddy because they "worship jawbreakers". And you know there's Muslim parents out there that would lose their minds if their children were watching, say, A Charlie Brown Christmas. And there's those who wouldn't really care. There's certainly examples for every single religion, but we tend to see more crazy Christians just because it's the most common religion here in America.

06-01-2011, 02:57 PM	#39
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,697	These are sad people, trying to look at everything as if it contains the devil or is evil. I honestly feel sorry for people like this.