Anyone find it funny that TMNT is rebooted along with all of DC? - Page 2

Tuxedo Moroboshi · 06-01-2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

We didn't really need a reboot, they could have set the new series in the Volume 1 era just after Return to New York.

I'm going to have to disagree with that... mostly because of how much I really don't like the Volume 1 stuff to be messed with anymore than it has to be. To me, it has a perfect beginning and end, and I don't know how much I like the idea of adding more into it; not to mention the fact that there would be way too much continuity baggage.

Honestly, I actually like that this new series is happening. It's a fresh start, and a new continuity. The TMNT are characters that can be adapted in a myriad of different ways (and have been), so it's kinda cool to see a mature approach that's completely new, since previously only one universe out of the entire TMNT multiverse has ever fit the criteria of being for an older audience (that being the original universe). Added to that, I like that it's combining elements from different interpretations into it, as well.

So, really, I welcome this new series, and I'm sure it'll be a very unique take on the Turtles. So I definitely don't think it's unnecessary.

Thorneyeagle · 06-01-2011, 09:08 AM

I have to be honest. Typically I am against reboots.and remakes. I say typically cause there are times it is an exceptable course of action. For instant the Tmnt universe did not really NEED to be rebooted. It has a fanbase and a well known story. However, it works for a reboot because new owners means new way of thinking. So the turtles persinalities will shift in new ways does not work well in the current world. personally speaking.

i find the Dc reboot unnecessary. They are doing it because they have gotten so expansive in the number of comics it is very very hard to jump in and know everything. So its all marketing and in a way hurts the franchise. it leaves characters treading water and repeating tired old stories. But thats just me talking.

Tuxedo Moroboshi · 06-01-2011, 10:19 AM

In DC's case, I actually do agree that it is completely unnecessary... and I'd argue the same thing about the Ultimate Marvel universe.

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Originally Posted by Thorneyeagle

it leaves characters treading water and repeating tired old stories.

^And that's one of the biggest reasons why. But with the TMNT, I feel like they're free to do pretty much anything. I like the idea of brand new stories without continuity baggage, which is one of the reasons I'm so excited for this new comic series.

Thorneyeagle · 06-01-2011, 10:44 AM

i think they do have more freedom with tmnt because they are not rebooting 70 years worth of material. only 25. I may be more for this cause i am a fan and i wanted the ability to walk in fresh...so its biased. In the end there is little difference between reboots...and this has been the century for them....

*CyberCubed* · 06-01-2011, 04:48 PM

25 years is still a long time. And the Mirage universe isn't completely closed yet, there is still the end of Volume 4 and Image 25 to go.

Tuxedo Moroboshi · 06-01-2011, 05:19 PM

Perhaps, but there's nothing about this new series stopping Laird from continuing volume 4.

*Candy Kappa* · 06-01-2011, 05:25 PM

DC are probably gonna just restart the issue numbering to lure people in to buy a load of #1's

*Ninjinister* · 06-01-2011, 06:16 PM

Where are you seeing that DC's going to get a complete reboot after Flashpoint? There are dozens of ongoing stories that will still be in play by the end of Flashpoint that will piss people off if it all just goes away.

*Spitfire* · 06-01-2011, 06:22 PM

All of DC getting rebooted isn't funny, it's retarded.

**Venom** · 06-01-2011, 06:36 PM

It's doing exactly what they wanted...drawing attention and getting people talking, which they hope will lead to people picking up the books to see what's going on.

Thorneyeagle · 06-02-2011, 07:34 AM

as i previously.mentioned i believe....it is all marketing. I heard they did this previously.in '85 i believe or they attempted to do so.
Also in comment to 25 years to 75 years it was obviously a bias comment and ment to poit out the vast difference in length of time. yes both have decent sized continuity already.

*CyberCubed* · 06-03-2011, 10:11 AM

I will not believe Mirage continuity is truly over until PL confirms there will never be a Vol. 4 conclusion or Tristan can't finish his gang war story.

Even so, I think it was hinted that IDW might put out specials that fit into Mirage continuity rather than their own. Tristan at least might be able to conclude his gang wars story over there.

Godzilla · 06-03-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Venom

It's doing exactly what they wanted...drawing attention and getting people talking, which they hope will lead to people picking up the books to see what's going on.

That's it.

DC is shaking things up, and this is no doubt drawing ALOT of attention. But as far as the whole 'reboot' thing goes, that's apparently NOT the case with this.

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With The New DCU – the September launch of our 52 #1s – we have created an event that we believe will generate unprecedented buzz, and, more importantly, unprecedented sales results for you. This is a shock to the system, no question, but we have the quality stories and the unrivaled sales/marketing support and the increased public attention to help you best absorb that shock and profit from it.

We know that you want more details on the creative teams and their title-by-title assignments for the launch. . (And by the way, let me just reiterate this point: this is the launch of the New DCU. It is not a “reboot.” I think you will soon discover why that is.)

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**Venom** · 06-03-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I will not believe Mirage continuity is truly over until PL confirms there will never be a Vol. 4 conclusion or Tristan can't finish his gang war story.

Even so, I think it was hinted that IDW might put out specials that fit into Mirage continuity rather than their own. Tristan at least might be able to conclude his gang wars story over there.

Dude, C3, Peter has pretty much said on his blog that he doesn't feel like he'll ever get around to finishing up Volume 4 and has toyed with going ahead and posting a synopsis of where the stories were going.

*CyberCubed* · 06-03-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom

Dude, C3, Peter has pretty much said on his blog that he doesn't feel like he'll ever get around to finishing up Volume 4 and has toyed with going ahead and posting a synopsis of where the stories were going.

Which he later contradicted by saying he doesn't want to post those summaries just in case he does finish Vol 4 properly. He even said he hopes IDW doesn't do a Vol 4 conclusion themselves, not that they would anyway.

**Venom** · 06-03-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Which he later contradicted by saying he doesn't want to post those summaries just in case he does finish Vol 4 properly. He even said he hopes IDW doesn't do a Vol 4 conclusion themselves, not that they would anyway.

He may have mentioned the bit about IDW not finishing Volume 4 because it may violate his 18 issues/year clause.

Eh, who really knows with Peter. Give him five years away from the Turtles and see how he feels then.

*Coola Yagami* · 06-03-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom

He may have mentioned the bit about IDW not finishing Volume 4 because it may violate his 18 issues/year clause.

Eh, who really knows with Peter. Give him five years away from the Turtles and see how he feels then.

Will it be any easier for him with the TMNT coming back a 3rd time, basically in his face? I think he needs no turtle-exposure, like at all, including any form of outside media.

Logan · 06-03-2011, 07:32 PM

Instead of rebooting TMNT, they should just release Vol. 1, 2, and 4 in an Omnibus collection. Then newcomers don't have an excuse that the comic is inaccessible.

Adam · 06-03-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Instead of rebooting TMNT, they should just release Vol. 1, 2, and 4 in an Omnibus collection.

All that material wouldn't fit in one volume. IDW's collections are usually a good deal smaller than what you'd find in a Marvel omnibus, and Marvel doesn't tend to exceed 50 issues even in its fattest books. TMNT volumes 1, 2, and 4 clock in at over 100 issues, and that's not counting any integral one-shots or tie-ins. So, they'd have to break them up anyway. And while they're at it, why not include vol. 3?

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Then newcomers don't have an excuse that the comic is inaccessible.

Sure they would-- price. It would be pretty unreasonable for IDW to demand that readers shell out big bucks for expensive hardcover collections just to be able to understand what's going on in a brand-new series.

I know some readers are going to pony up for all the collections, many of us included, but IDW is being smart in not forcing us to. The new series should be accessible on its own feet and in its very first issue. And even if it was continuing from the old continuity, it shouldn't read exactly like a new issue of TMNT Vol. 4 -- it should be a good jumping-on point.

Logan · 06-03-2011, 10:09 PM

I'll address your issues point-by-point.

1) "All that material wouldn't fit in one volume. IDW's collections are usually a good deal smaller than what you'd find in a Marvel omnibus, and Marvel doesn't tend to exceed 50 issues even in its fattest books. TMNT volumes 1, 2, and 4 clock in at over 100 issues, and that's not counting any integral one-shots or tie-ins."

I don't propose that everything be put in one huge book. It would have to be broken up into multiple books.

Dark Horse is releasing all 110 issues of Marvel's Star Wars collection in multiple books, so my idea not without precedent.

2) "And while they're at it, why not include vol. 3?"

I'd assume that there would be some rights issues with regards to Image's own characters. A less important reason would be to keep the comics running smoothly together in terms of continuity. I, personally, would love Vol. 3 collected, too.

3) "Sure they would-- price."

The success of Dark Horse's various Omnibus collections would prove otherwise.

4) "It would be pretty unreasonable for IDW to demand that readers shell out big bucks for expensive hardcover collections just to be able to understand what's going on in a brand-new series."

Not really. DC and Marvel have been doing it for years. They reference characters and events from comics made quite a while ago (i.e., The Killing Joke, which is available for purchasing).

5) "The new series should be accessible on its own feet and in its very first issue. And even if it was continuing from the old continuity, it shouldn't read exactly like a new issue of TMNT Vol. 4 -- it should be a good jumping-on point."

I agree with you on this to some degree. I do think that the new comics should be blazing their own trail and not rehashing old storylines. You should be able to jump right in and enjoy it. However, I don't think the continuity should be wiped clean because some readers might not get a reference to an issue from the Eastman & Laird run. A little note like "See the classic issue TMNT #8" would work fine. Plus, from a business stand-point, it would pique the curiosity of the reader and make them buy the collections just to learn what happened.

Anyway, that's my two credits worth.

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Venom Space Knight Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,637	It's doing exactly what they wanted...drawing attention and getting people talking, which they hope will lead to people picking up the books to see what's going on. __________________

06-01-2011, 09:08 AM	#22
Thorneyeagle Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 130	I have to be honest. Typically I am against reboots.and remakes. I say typically cause there are times it is an exceptable course of action. For instant the Tmnt universe did not really NEED to be rebooted. It has a fanbase and a well known story. However, it works for a reboot because new owners means new way of thinking. So the turtles persinalities will shift in new ways does not work well in the current world. personally speaking. i find the Dc reboot unnecessary. They are doing it because they have gotten so expansive in the number of comics it is very very hard to jump in and know everything. So its all marketing and in a way hurts the franchise. it leaves characters treading water and repeating tired old stories. But thats just me talking.

06-01-2011, 10:44 AM	#24
Thorneyeagle Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 130	i think they do have more freedom with tmnt because they are not rebooting 70 years worth of material. only 25. I may be more for this cause i am a fan and i wanted the ability to walk in fresh...so its biased. In the end there is little difference between reboots...and this has been the century for them....

06-01-2011, 04:48 PM	#25
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,869	25 years is still a long time. And the Mirage universe isn't completely closed yet, there is still the end of Volume 4 and Image 25 to go.

06-02-2011, 07:34 AM	#31
Thorneyeagle Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 130	as i previously.mentioned i believe....it is all marketing. I heard they did this previously.in '85 i believe or they attempted to do so. Also in comment to 25 years to 75 years it was obviously a bias comment and ment to poit out the vast difference in length of time. yes both have decent sized continuity already.

06-03-2011, 10:11 AM	#32
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,869	I will not believe Mirage continuity is truly over until PL confirms there will never be a Vol. 4 conclusion or Tristan can't finish his gang war story. Even so, I think it was hinted that IDW might put out specials that fit into Mirage continuity rather than their own. Tristan at least might be able to conclude his gang wars story over there.

06-03-2011, 07:32 PM	#38
Logan Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 483	Instead of rebooting TMNT, they should just release Vol. 1, 2, and 4 in an Omnibus collection. Then newcomers don't have an excuse that the comic is inaccessible.

06-03-2011, 10:09 PM	#40
Logan Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 483	I'll address your issues point-by-point. 1) "All that material wouldn't fit in one volume. IDW's collections are usually a good deal smaller than what you'd find in a Marvel omnibus, and Marvel doesn't tend to exceed 50 issues even in its fattest books. TMNT volumes 1, 2, and 4 clock in at over 100 issues, and that's not counting any integral one-shots or tie-ins." I don't propose that everything be put in one huge book. It would have to be broken up into multiple books. Dark Horse is releasing all 110 issues of Marvel's Star Wars collection in multiple books, so my idea not without precedent. 2) "And while they're at it, why not include vol. 3?" I'd assume that there would be some rights issues with regards to Image's own characters. A less important reason would be to keep the comics running smoothly together in terms of continuity. I, personally, would love Vol. 3 collected, too. 3) "Sure they would-- price." The success of Dark Horse's various Omnibus collections would prove otherwise. 4) "It would be pretty unreasonable for IDW to demand that readers shell out big bucks for expensive hardcover collections just to be able to understand what's going on in a brand-new series." Not really. DC and Marvel have been doing it for years. They reference characters and events from comics made quite a while ago (i.e., The Killing Joke, which is available for purchasing). 5) "The new series should be accessible on its own feet and in its very first issue. And even if it was continuing from the old continuity, it shouldn't read exactly like a new issue of TMNT Vol. 4 -- it should be a good jumping-on point." I agree with you on this to some degree. I do think that the new comics should be blazing their own trail and not rehashing old storylines. You should be able to jump right in and enjoy it. However, I don't think the continuity should be wiped clean because some readers might not get a reference to an issue from the Eastman & Laird run. A little note like "See the classic issue TMNT #8" would work fine. Plus, from a business stand-point, it would pique the curiosity of the reader and make them buy the collections just to learn what happened. Anyway, that's my two credits worth.