The Simpsons facing possible cancelation after Season 23

*CyberCubed* · 10-04-2011, 11:35 PM

Its on several news sites:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/119/1198119p1.html

Basically the show is getting too costly for Fox to produce, with the salaries for the voice actors and them refusing to take pay cuts, to the point where the actual animation is most expensive than the likes of Family guy, etc.

I know this has happened in the past with this show, and the voice actors eventually negotiated, but the fact that they're asking for back-end pay now, it seems that the show could realistically end. For the record, no Season 24 has currently been ordered at all at this point.

Good thing is the show officially hits the 500th episode milestone this season, so if this is the end, it is time.

**Jester** · 10-04-2011, 11:44 PM

It's not like the VAs don't deserve the salaries. They make the show and they do multiple characters each. I mean if Charlie Sheen can make $2 million an episode for 2 and a Half Men, the cast of the Simpsons deserve their $400,000+ per episode.
EDIT: Ok, maybe Yeardley "Lisa" Smith doesn't...just Lisa...come on Yeardley.

*CyberCubed* · 10-04-2011, 11:50 PM

I always knew the voice actor salaries would be what did the show in eventually. This is not the type of show where you'd expect them to hire sound-a-likes and continue the series after all the voice actors quit either.

I think Fox realizes they can still make millions off of Simpsons even after its canceled. They will have over 500 episodes to rerun in syndication, plus DVD and merchandize sales.

The Flintstones continued to have new merchandized pumped out every year, and the actual series ended decades ago.

Archon_Turtle · 10-05-2011, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

EDIT: Ok, maybe Yeardley "Lisa" Smith doesn't...just Lisa...come on Yeardley.

And that is her normal speaking voice. heh.

**Jester** · 10-05-2011, 01:08 AM

UNACCEPTABLE!!!
Yeadrley why can't you be more like your brother, Nancy....wait??

*Slap-Happy* · 10-05-2011, 01:09 AM

God, I hope it doesn't get cancelled. Yeah, it's definitely passed it's prime, but it's an American institution.

Besides Bob's Burgers, Fox really will be the Seth MacFarlane network. (I don't expect Napolean Dynamite or that new Jonah Hill show to last long)

**Jester** · 10-05-2011, 01:17 AM

If they cancel the Simpson's will they fill its slot (hehehehe) with ANOTHER Seth MacFarlane show. I debated using "comedy" but lets be honest, that'd would be wrong.

*Slap-Happy* · 10-05-2011, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

If they cancel the Simpson's will they fill its slot (hehehehe) with ANOTHER Seth MacFarlane show. I debated using "comedy" but lets be honest, that'd would be wrong.

If the Simpsons is cancelled, I bet Seth MacFarlane's Flintstones takes it's slot.

*CyberCubed* · 10-05-2011, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Chicken Whisperer

If the Simpsons is cancelled, I bet Seth MacFarlane's Flintstones takes it's slot.

I think that's why Fox can get rid of Simpsons, the Flintstones will probably be successful, although not to as much Simpsons was.

**Jester** · 10-05-2011, 01:22 AM

*Ninjinister* · 10-05-2011, 04:37 AM

This news makes me sad.

And of course Fox will keep beating its corpse well after it's gone for money. After all, I did just read, recently, that they've been talking about an all-Simpsons network.

*Luzmagica* · 10-05-2011, 04:46 AM

It is also sad news for me .... this show with me since the beginning...

If that happens ...Who knows??? maybe in a future....like my beloved TMNT....

... they will return!

*ZariusTwo* · 10-05-2011, 06:21 AM

Yeah....it'll come back produced by Seth McFarlane

I doubt it'll come to an end now, but I hope it does, just as there will always be 150 Pokemon, there will always be only ten good seasons of The Simpsons.

*pannoni1* · 10-05-2011, 08:01 AM

Whenever the characters don't age and the fact that somebody that was Bart's and Lisa's age when the pilot came out nearly 25 years ago is now Marge's and Homer's age today throws off the balance a bit (though growing up killed the Rugrats franchise). While The Simpsons is still great, I knew something like this would be coming, unfortunately it seems that the VAs don't know what recession means and simply due to the fact that the plots have grown so stale that it almost makes you cry when you watch an episode from the '90s compared to one from this era. But I doubt there will ever be another cartoon that lasts 500 episodes and it was quite an accomplishment, and the Simpsons will live on for generations like Looney Tunes/Mickey Mouse does.

**Jester** · 10-05-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Yeah....it'll come back produced by Seth McFarlane

I doubt it'll come to an end now, but I hope it does, just as there will always be 150 Pokemon, there will always be only ten good seasons of The Simpsons.

I dunna Zarius, the writing seems to have gotten better in recent seasons.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-05-2011, 09:28 AM

I've seen this coming, and I'm not surprised. The recent eps (though I haven't seen any from this current season) have always fallen flat to me. I've barely laughed, and it just has seemed tired to me. The earlier seasons were classics and always will be. I'd rather watch those eps than the newer ones. Yeah, I'll be sad to see it go, but I'm not surprised.

Honestly, I'd rather watch Family Guy than The Simpsons now.

*CyberCubed* · 10-05-2011, 10:52 AM

Fun fact: The 500th episode of Simpsons will air in February.

I think that milestone alone is why Fox is willing now to end it. I don't see the show going on to 600 episodes....

*Spitfire* · 10-05-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

It's not like the VAs don't deserve the salaries. They make the show and they do multiple characters each. I mean if Charlie Sheen can make $2 million an episode for 2 and a Half Men, the cast of the Simpsons deserve their $400,000+ per episode.

No one deserves 400K to sit in a climate controlled sound booth and talk. Especially when it's for something as short as a 20 minute episode. Recording lines is insanely simple. The main reason they do multiple characters is to validate their salaries and so they don't have to pay as many VAs. An actor is under lights and dealing with set conditions. The script isn't in front of them and they actually have to memorize their lines. Also in many cases they'll have to ADR some of the lines anyways so they have to put in some sound booth time themselves.

It floors me how greedy the VAs for Simpsons are. Back pay? Are you serious? They make the same money for one episode that my Dad makes in 5 years. They're beyond the point of needing it to survive.

Jurassic · 10-05-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

No one deserves 400K to sit in a climate controlled sound booth and talk. Especially when it's for something as short as a 20 minute episode. Recording lines is insanely simple. The main reason they do multiple characters is to validate their salaries and so they don't have to pay as many VAs. An actor is under lights and dealing with set conditions. The script isn't in front of them and they actually have to memorize their lines. Also in many cases they'll have to ADR some of the lines anyways so they have to put in some sound booth time themselves.

It floors me how greedy the VAs for Simpsons are. Back pay? Are you serious? They make the same money for one episode that my Dad makes in 5 years. They're beyond the point of needing it to survive.

Quoted for emphasis!!

*CyberCubed* · 10-05-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

It floors me how greedy the VAs for Simpsons are. Back pay? Are you serious? They make the same money for one episode that my Dad makes in 5 years. They're beyond the point of needing it to survive.

The VA's were the reason for the shows success as much as the writers/creators were.

They simply want to know that after the show is canceled and put on syndication, that they'll continue to get money after.

10-04-2011, 11:35 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	The Simpsons facing possible cancelation after Season 23 Its on several news sites: http://tv.ign.com/articles/119/1198119p1.html Basically the show is getting too costly for Fox to produce, with the salaries for the voice actors and them refusing to take pay cuts, to the point where the actual animation is most expensive than the likes of Family guy, etc. I know this has happened in the past with this show, and the voice actors eventually negotiated, but the fact that they're asking for back-end pay now, it seems that the show could realistically end. For the record, no Season 24 has currently been ordered at all at this point. Good thing is the show officially hits the 500th episode milestone this season, so if this is the end, it is time.

10-04-2011, 11:44 PM	#2
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	It's not like the VAs don't deserve the salaries. They make the show and they do multiple characters each. I mean if Charlie Sheen can make $2 million an episode for 2 and a Half Men, the cast of the Simpsons deserve their $400,000+ per episode. EDIT: Ok, maybe Yeardley "Lisa" Smith doesn't...just Lisa...come on Yeardley. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-05-2011, 01:08 AM	#5
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	UNACCEPTABLE!!! Yeadrley why can't you be more like your brother, Nancy....wait?? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-05-2011, 01:17 AM	#7
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	If they cancel the Simpson's will they fill its slot (hehehehe) with ANOTHER Seth MacFarlane show. I debated using "comedy" but lets be honest, that'd would be wrong. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-05-2011, 01:22 AM	#10
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	__________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-04-2011, 11:50 PM	#3
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	I always knew the voice actor salaries would be what did the show in eventually. This is not the type of show where you'd expect them to hire sound-a-likes and continue the series after all the voice actors quit either. I think Fox realizes they can still make millions off of Simpsons even after its canceled. They will have over 500 episodes to rerun in syndication, plus DVD and merchandize sales. The Flintstones continued to have new merchandized pumped out every year, and the actual series ended decades ago.

10-05-2011, 01:09 AM	#6
Slap-Happy Bad Boy Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,911	God, I hope it doesn't get cancelled. Yeah, it's definitely passed it's prime, but it's an American institution. Besides Bob's Burgers, Fox really will be the Seth MacFarlane network. (I don't expect Napolean Dynamite or that new Jonah Hill show to last long)

10-05-2011, 04:37 AM	#11
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	This news makes me sad. And of course Fox will keep beating its corpse well after it's gone for money. After all, I did just read, recently, that they've been talking about an all-Simpsons network. __________________

10-05-2011, 04:46 AM	#12
Luzmagica A Magic Light Dudette! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Spain. Posts: 3,878	It is also sad news for me .... this show with me since the beginning... If that happens ...Who knows??? maybe in a future....like my beloved TMNT.... ... they will return! __________________

10-05-2011, 06:21 AM	#13
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,501	Yeah....it'll come back produced by Seth McFarlane I doubt it'll come to an end now, but I hope it does, just as there will always be 150 Pokemon, there will always be only ten good seasons of The Simpsons. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

10-05-2011, 08:01 AM	#14
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	Whenever the characters don't age and the fact that somebody that was Bart's and Lisa's age when the pilot came out nearly 25 years ago is now Marge's and Homer's age today throws off the balance a bit (though growing up killed the Rugrats franchise). While The Simpsons is still great, I knew something like this would be coming, unfortunately it seems that the VAs don't know what recession means and simply due to the fact that the plots have grown so stale that it almost makes you cry when you watch an episode from the '90s compared to one from this era. But I doubt there will ever be another cartoon that lasts 500 episodes and it was quite an accomplishment, and the Simpsons will live on for generations like Looney Tunes/Mickey Mouse does. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

10-05-2011, 09:28 AM	#16
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I've seen this coming, and I'm not surprised. The recent eps (though I haven't seen any from this current season) have always fallen flat to me. I've barely laughed, and it just has seemed tired to me. The earlier seasons were classics and always will be. I'd rather watch those eps than the newer ones. Yeah, I'll be sad to see it go, but I'm not surprised. Honestly, I'd rather watch Family Guy than The Simpsons now. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-05-2011, 10:52 AM	#17
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	Fun fact: The 500th episode of Simpsons will air in February. I think that milestone alone is why Fox is willing now to end it. I don't see the show going on to 600 episodes....