i hear that people didnt like new tmnt movie and tv and why?

[CyberCubed]

Most of those "OT only" fans don't even watch the original cartoon anymore and never even bought the DVDs.

They just vaguely remember whatever they can in their memories and leave it at that.

They're not real TMNT fans since they were just people caught up in the fad and drifted out never to return.

[Fugitoid Jones]

^^ those are the "casuals". I don't have a problem with casuals, I mean, I'm a casual fan of Thundercats. I liked the old toon alright and the new toon is pretty cool, but I'm by no means a hardcore fan of Thundercats. And if someone is the same way with TMNT, fine. But once they start thinking that their opinion on the Turtles matters, then I get pissed.

[Herald7]

Originally Posted by gobo

The 2000s' version of TMNT was just a bit more rational and thought-provoking.

To each their own. I personally found the first Turtles movie much more thought provoking than anything from the 2000's.

As far as the cartoons, I think it requires a lot more skill to write and perform comedy like the OT did, than it does to write action or the occasional drama like 2K3. Comedy is much more difficult.

Plus with the OT I can watch it now as an adult and pick up on jokes or references that I didn't understand as a kid. I'm not sure the same will be true for more recent turtle projects. Don't get me wrong, they're still done well. As I say, I just didn't find them that thought provoking. Certainly not as much as Batman: The Animated Series for instance.

You don't have to agree; just my opinion.

[CyberCubed]

The 4kids series was just a very well done action cartoon with some character development along the way. The set pieces and choreography during most of the action sequences was done exceptionally well.

Its true the 4kids series really failed with humor, only a few small times did jokes ever work on the show, but otherwise it was a well done show with a likeable cast.

[Stingray69]

I grew up with the original series but I also watched the 4kids and saw tmnt in theaters. I like them all there's some episodes of the 4kids series that are really good and I like the action and darker tone of it to. But at the same time the original is "golden" to me its what I grew up with and I love it. And I love going back and watching them on DVD. O to go back to 1990.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Herald7

\As far as the cartoons, I think it requires a lot more skill to write and perform comedy like the OT did, than it does to write action or the occasional drama like 2K3. Comedy is much more difficult.

It takes almost no skill to sit in a room and improv. That's what the voice actors did. They made them tone it down in the later seasons and that's why most of the humor was completely gone by the end of the series.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

It takes almost no skill to sit in a room and improv. That's what the voice actors did. They made them tone it down in the later seasons and that's why most of the humor was completely gone by the end of the series.

There were still jokes in Seasons 8-10, even 4th wall breaking ones.

In the Titanus episodes after Raph/Don stay there and Mike/Don walk off, Don remarks that there's only two of them now.

Mike responds, "Does that mean the show will only be half as long next week?"

Raph also kept up his sarcasm through those seasons too, even if he got slightly meaner.

[Herald7]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

It takes almost no skill to sit in a room and improv.

Um, no that's not true. Actors make it look easy. Non actors trying to act or improv is painful. Just watch an athlete guest star on a sitcom.

That's what the voice actors did. They made them tone it down in the later seasons and that's why most of the humor was completely gone by the end of the series.

You don't happen to have a source for that?

[ABrown]

Originally Posted by gobo

The key word there was "already". I don't doubt that there is someone in the world who already has their mind made up that NickTMNT is the only version they like. But, seriously... How messed up is that? >_<

Ya know I remember when I first discovered that the Shredder in the 2003 4Kids series was actually an utrom. I was so disgusted at the concept that I remember thinking to myself that I was going to give up on that series and that I would consider whatever the next series that came out to be the "definitive" TMNT series. That would've meant that the upcoming Nick series would've been considered by me to be the definitive TMNT series. Of course I grew to accept the Shredder as an utrom, given how well the creators handled the whole concept.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its true the 4kids series really failed with humor, only a few small times did jokes ever work on the show, but otherwise it was a well done show with a likeable cast.

I disagree. I think that the 4Kids series had much better humor than the original cartoon. The original cartoon was extremely silly, but to me that doesn't necessarily make it funny. When I rewatch the shows I find myself laughing much more at the humor in the 4Kids version than in the original cartoon.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Herald7

Um, no that's not true. Actors make it look easy. Non actors trying to act or improv is painful. Just watch an athlete guest star on a sitcom.

Why would non-actors be voice acting? They wouldn't be actors if they were normal people who lack a basic skill all actors learn how to do. Improv is how actors learn to embody a character, by acting like them in non-scripted situations.

You don't happen to have a source for that?

If I recall in one of the season 5 special feature interviews with the cast they mention the writers curbed their improv on the later seasons and told them to follow the scripts more closely.

[Herald7]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Why would non-actors be voice acting? They wouldn't be actors if they were normal people who lack a basic skill all actors learn how to do. Improv is how actors learn to embody a character, by acting like them in non-scripted situations.

I think we're misunderstanding each other here. I was just responding to your claim that improv required almost no skill.

If I recall in one of the season 5 special feature interviews with the cast they mention the writers curbed their improv on the later seasons and told them to follow the scripts more closely.

OK there's a difference between actors improvising occasionally and the entire show's humor being improvised.

[ssjup81]

In my case, the 2k3 series seemed to sneak under the radar (the last turtles series I'd watched in full was TNM), but I also wasn't online in a turtle fandom back then either. I wouldn't even know about the upcoming Nick series if I hadn't been frequenting this board. Anyway, I do remember coming across an ep during its original run in about 2005 or so, but I couldn't fully get into it because it was too serious for me, but I can't judge the series based on that alone. I just never went back to it. I also didn't feel like waking up early just to watch it (I was in my mid 20s at the time). I might watch the 2K3 series one day...even with the whole Shredder fiasco for it.

As for the 2007 film, I didn't mind it too much, but I did have my nitpicks with it, like how I felt the focus was on Leo and Raph way too much and how, to me, Donny and Mikey were gypped for it. I didn't find Casey and April interesting either....well, their roles anyway. To me, movie 1 will always be the best of the turtle films. Seems to have a nice balance, and it didn't seem to overly focus on any of the characters. My main nitpicks with movie 1 was that it was way too short and we never did figure out what Danny's problem was and why he felt this need to join up with the Foot Clan.

Originally Posted by Herald7

Plus with the OT I can watch it now as an adult and pick up on jokes or references that I didn't understand as a kid. I'm not sure the same will be true for more recent turtle projects. Don't get me wrong, they're still done well. As I say, I just didn't find them that thought provoking. Certainly not as much as Batman: The Animated Series for instance.

I like that about the OT series too. I like getting the jokes and stuff that I didn't back then. Same goes for series like maybe Animaniacs. Man, those jokes!

[Herald7]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

My main nitpicks with movie 1 was that it was way too short and we never did figure out what Danny's problem was and why he felt this need to join up with the Foot Clan.

Well I mean there's things you can infer. It seems to be just him and his Dad; maybe he lost his Mother. Maybe his father being in such a position of authority in his job made Danny want to rebel and be an embarrassment.

I like that about the OT series too. I like getting the jokes and stuff that I didn't back then. Same goes for series like maybe Animaniacs. Man, those jokes!

Definitely the Animaniacs' jokes as well. It's like receiving the same present twice, but getting something different out of it each time. And it feels good that they put so much effort into something that was just for the kids. They didn't have to (God knows there are so many kids shows that don't bother!).

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Jester

NICK SHREDDER IS THE 1 TRUE SHREDDER!!!

I'm just getting ready...

No Utrom shredder is the one true shredder!!!!!!

[TobTurn]

Originally Posted by Jester

NICK SHREDDER IS THE 1 TRUE SHREDDER!!!

I'm just getting ready...

Haha this is why I'm mad at the writers of the 4Kids Series. They made me sooo biased that Ch'rell is the One True Shredder of the multiverse in Turtles Forever, that I can't stand that a lot of people are only gonna know about Nick's Shredder and think he kinda is the one true Shredder.

[Powder]

Mirage Shredder = One true Shredder if such a thing exists.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Herald7

Well I mean there's things you can infer. It seems to be just him and his Dad; maybe he lost his Mother. Maybe his father being in such a position of authority in his job made Danny want to rebel and be an embarrassment.

I know. That was my assumption too, but I always wondered what was so bad about his home (or school) life that he felt this need to "fit in" someplace. I wasn't under the impression that his father was a workaholic and that he saw him every evening and morning. I also wasn't under the impression that he was neglecting him. So that's why I wasn't satisfied with assuming in this case and wish we would've had more insight into what his life was fully like or more to go on to make better inferences.

[Seploud]

I hate it, the 2003 version is a convoluted mess to the point where the plot gets ridiculous and all they do is talk talk and talk( like what happened to justice league unlimited)... and lets not forget the time travelling business and the multiverses. The Turtles should be keep basic ( sewer,new york) and the enemies. should be the ones invading new york. I believe that the best way to enjoy the original story is via the comics. As for the movie.... Where Shredder?? that is all....0 stars. I always hate adapted stories... they will never work because they always have to cut things for time or if they try to adapt it to 100% they are transfered to the screen as a convoluted mess that can last for 6 hours. The 87 series is superior because the turtles are funny ( in the 2003, 4 unfunny guys)

[Powder]

Possibly casual...

[Jester]

To be honest, I really have no clue what he just said...