Proper Endings

*Icebot* · 11-28-2011, 07:19 PM

As you know, the original series ended with Divide and Conquer. It ends with Dregg ending up trapped in Dimension X in the Technodrome, and the fate of Shredder and Krang unknown. However, there are some other episodes I feel could have ended the series properly as well, if it were to happen.

Return Of The Technodrome: It ends with the Technodrome sinking in the lava underground with all the bad guys inside.

The Big Blowout: It ends with the Technodrome trapped in Dimension X and totaled.

Shredder Triumphant: It ends with the Technodrome going to Dimension X without the bad guys, leaving them homeless.

Turtle Trek: The Technodrome gets destroyed by the weird plant with the villains inside it.

Turtles To The 2nd Power: It ends with the Dreggnaught being destroyed, the turtles transport Shredder, Krang and Dregg to Dimension X.

I don't think Shredder and Splintered would make a proper ending because it only ends with the Technodrome simply going to Dimension X, it's not like any of the equipment was destroyed and they still had the portal they could use to go to earth.

What do you think?

lethrhd · 11-28-2011, 11:42 PM

definitly the big blowout, that trilogy of episodes was epic! the conclusion seemed final enough and I dont think any arc on the show had that strong a continuity since the establishing eps.

*pannoni1* · 11-29-2011, 06:14 AM

Since most syndicated cartoons at the time (and many still do) had 65-episode syndication packages, the final three episodes of Season 3 were written in mind in case no network would pick it up. Seasons 4, 5, and 6 (though summer reruns is mentioned at the end of the final episode that season) did not have a distincitive finale since on a network like CBS, high ratings would almost assure another season. Unlike syndication, network cartoons generally last as long as the network sees that the ratings are benefiting the network. During Seasons 4 and 5, TMNT was the number-one rated Saturday Morning show, so it made absolutely no sense why TMNT would end as long as the writers still had more good scripts. By Season 7, the show still had decent ratings, but low enough to cast a slight shadow of doubt; thus Shredder Triumphant was writted in case CBS dropped the show at that point. Shredder Triumphant doesn't quite seem as proper as the others that Icebot suggested, since Shredder, Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady are still alive on earth, which means they could access some lethal equipment (and how does being homeless affect a villain, given how easily they can kidnap others?); plus the music heard as the show fades to the credits sounds like something you'd hear at the end of Act 1 or 2 with a hint of darkness to the music, suggesting that more trouble lies ahead.

As for The Next Mutation, only after East vs. West, part 5 you can have a definitive ending given that's Shredder's final appearance; you can clearly tell that the writers were going to have a second season had FOX not canceled it.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-29-2011, 07:14 AM

The Big Blow-Out was the last new episode shown on terrestrial television in the UK, luckily I read that the Technodrome was in the arctic through a sticker album that was out at the time so I was aware there were other seasons. Apparently some of them aired on Nick, with much of the final season later airing on BRAVO and FOX KIDS rspectivly.

*CyberCubed* · 11-29-2011, 11:07 PM

You know its funny how most of the season finale's after Season 3 aren't really big finale's....how did they know the show wouldn't get canceled on a filler-ep, for example?

The last ep of Season 4 is, "Unidentified flying Leonardo," could you imagine if that turned out to be the last episode?

Season 5 ended with "Planet of the Turtleoids" which was good, but not an ending for Shredder/Krang.

Season 6 also ended with a run of the mill episode, "Sleuth on the Loose."

Season 7 had a good ending, but as said the villains were still on Earth.

Season 8's, "Turtle Trek," would have made a decent finale.

Season 9's finale foreshadowed Season 10, and the turtles hadn't cured their mutations yet.

Season 10's finale was decent for what it was. It wasn't the grand ending the show should have gotten, but it wrapped up things well enough.

My only gripe is the show never had any final battle with General Traag.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-30-2011, 09:16 AM

When you think about it, "Turtles Forever" does the exact OPPOSITE of giving the 80s series a proper ending, as it leaves the villains with an upgraded Technodrome, leaving countless stories to our imaginations of the Turtles struggles against them and their new toy

*Andrew NDB* · 11-30-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Icebot

However, there are some other episodes I feel could have ended the series properly as well, if it were to happen.

Maybe the fourth or fifth episode would have been a nice series-ender.

*CyberCubed* · 11-30-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

When you think about it, "Turtles Forever" does the exact OPPOSITE of giving the 80s series a proper ending, as it leaves the villains with an upgraded Technodrome, leaving countless stories to our imaginations of the Turtles struggles against them and their new toy

I always viewed Turtles Forever as taking place sometime during Season 3, hence the Technodrome being underground, the Channel 6 building still standing, and Shredder/Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady all being back in the Technodrome to begin with...unlike at the end of Season 10 where it was all abandoned.

Its not out of the question for Krang to dislike the changes to the Technodrome and make it back the way it was, using "old toon logic." Remember how many times we saw the Technodrome get destroyed or various computer monitors being broken...only to see in the next episode everything was perfectly normal again?

*ssjup81* · 11-30-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its not out of the question for Krang to dislike the changes to the Technodrome and make it back the way it was, using "old toon logic." Remember how many times we saw the Technodrome get destroyed or various computer monitors being broken...only to see in the next episode everything was perfectly normal again?

Guess those Foot Soldiers were good for something after all.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-01-2011, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I always viewed Turtles Forever as taking place sometime during Season 3, hence the Technodrome being underground, the Channel 6 building still standing, and Shredder/Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady all being back in the Technodrome to begin with...unlike at the end of Season 10 where it was all abandoned.

The Technodrome was fully operational in the 80s universe and was menacing the city at the time, it didnt go underground until it was sucked into the 2003 reality. In season three, it didnt have the power to resurface

As for all the remaining elements like Channel Six being back, it could just be it got rebuilt ands some decent money put into it's operating again. I had a fanfic around which explained how. Alas, my computer crashed and I lost it

cryan · 12-01-2011, 07:01 PM

The ending to Rapheal Meets Hiss Match could have been a little better.At least some interaction between him and Mona Lisa when they meet back at the lair.

*sdp* · 12-01-2011, 10:47 PM

This thread has reminded me that there never was a big discussion here in the drome about when Turtles Forever takes place in the OT. There was some discussion in the official thread but not too in depth. I don't like the idea of the movie taking place post last episode though.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You know its funny how most of the season finale's after Season 3 aren't really big finale's....how did they know the show wouldn't get canceled on a filler-ep, for example?

Well back then they really didn't care and most cartoons didn't get proper or even an episode that could pass off as a finale.

*CyberCubed* · 12-01-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

Well back then they really didn't care and most cartoons didn't get proper or even an episode that could pass off as a finale.

Which is probably a miracle that Season 10 was at least a decent season to end the show on. We at least had Shredder/Krang get a comeback for a 3-parter, Lord Dregg delve into madness and then get more or less defeated, and one last shot of the Technodrome all abandoned and destroyed in Dimension X.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-02-2011, 10:44 AM

I think the only other cartoons besides TMNT to have several "proper" endings at the time were Thundercats (Lion-O's Anoitment, Thundercats Ho, The Last Day, and The Book of Omens are all finale-type episodes), Transformers (The Ultimate Doom, The Movie, Return of Optimus Prime and The Rebirth) and The Dreamstone (MegaAttack, Return of the Nightmare Stone)

~~ABrown~~ · 12-02-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Icebot

Turtles To The 2nd Power: It ends with the Dreggnaught being destroyed, the turtles transport Shredder, Krang and Dregg to Dimension X.

I've always said that the three part story featuring Shredder and Krang should've been the series finale. It just makes sense to involve Shredder and Krang in the final episode. Plus the whole story kind of had a series finale feel to it.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-02-2011, 03:20 PM

Fox Kids UK actually aired the first five episodes of season ten as a feature-length movie back in 1999, definatly had a "finale" vibe to it, Carter's final line of "see you in the future" would have been a good spot to end the show on

cammy85 · 12-04-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Fox Kids UK actually aired the first five episodes of season ten as a feature-length movie back in 1999, definatly had a "finale" vibe to it, Carter's final line of "see you in the future" would have been a good spot to end the show on

Cool!! Seasons 8-10 had an arc-type feel to them, especially those episodes and the last two. Mobster from Dimension X seemed out of place, even though it kept people guessing who the Globfather was really working for.

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-02-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

I've always said that the three part story featuring Shredder and Krang should've been the series finale. It just makes sense to involve Shredder and Krang in the final episode. Plus the whole story kind of had a series finale feel to it.

I have to agree 100% here. The three episodes remaining had Dregg as the lead villain still after he and Shredder and Krang were sucked through the portal. It would have made better sense and for fandom to have Shredder and Krang finish up the series. It should have ended with "Turtles To The Second Power".

11-28-2011, 07:19 PM	#1
Icebot Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 3,225	Proper Endings As you know, the original series ended with Divide and Conquer. It ends with Dregg ending up trapped in Dimension X in the Technodrome, and the fate of Shredder and Krang unknown. However, there are some other episodes I feel could have ended the series properly as well, if it were to happen. Return Of The Technodrome: It ends with the Technodrome sinking in the lava underground with all the bad guys inside. The Big Blowout: It ends with the Technodrome trapped in Dimension X and totaled. Shredder Triumphant: It ends with the Technodrome going to Dimension X without the bad guys, leaving them homeless. Turtle Trek: The Technodrome gets destroyed by the weird plant with the villains inside it. Turtles To The 2nd Power: It ends with the Dreggnaught being destroyed, the turtles transport Shredder, Krang and Dregg to Dimension X. I don't think Shredder and Splintered would make a proper ending because it only ends with the Technodrome simply going to Dimension X, it's not like any of the equipment was destroyed and they still had the portal they could use to go to earth. What do you think?

11-28-2011, 11:42 PM	#2
lethrhd Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 358	definitly the big blowout, that trilogy of episodes was epic! the conclusion seemed final enough and I dont think any arc on the show had that strong a continuity since the establishing eps. __________________ My Gods Wear Multi-Colored Bandannas

11-29-2011, 06:14 AM	#3
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	Since most syndicated cartoons at the time (and many still do) had 65-episode syndication packages, the final three episodes of Season 3 were written in mind in case no network would pick it up. Seasons 4, 5, and 6 (though summer reruns is mentioned at the end of the final episode that season) did not have a distincitive finale since on a network like CBS, high ratings would almost assure another season. Unlike syndication, network cartoons generally last as long as the network sees that the ratings are benefiting the network. During Seasons 4 and 5, TMNT was the number-one rated Saturday Morning show, so it made absolutely no sense why TMNT would end as long as the writers still had more good scripts. By Season 7, the show still had decent ratings, but low enough to cast a slight shadow of doubt; thus Shredder Triumphant was writted in case CBS dropped the show at that point. Shredder Triumphant doesn't quite seem as proper as the others that Icebot suggested, since Shredder, Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady are still alive on earth, which means they could access some lethal equipment (and how does being homeless affect a villain, given how easily they can kidnap others?); plus the music heard as the show fades to the credits sounds like something you'd hear at the end of Act 1 or 2 with a hint of darkness to the music, suggesting that more trouble lies ahead. As for The Next Mutation, only after East vs. West, part 5 you can have a definitive ending given that's Shredder's final appearance; you can clearly tell that the writers were going to have a second season had FOX not canceled it. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power! Last edited by pannoni1; 11-30-2011 at 06:36 AM.

11-29-2011, 07:14 AM	#4
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,493	The Big Blow-Out was the last new episode shown on terrestrial television in the UK, luckily I read that the Technodrome was in the arctic through a sticker album that was out at the time so I was aware there were other seasons. Apparently some of them aired on Nick, with much of the final season later airing on BRAVO and FOX KIDS rspectivly. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

11-30-2011, 09:16 AM	#6
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,493	When you think about it, "Turtles Forever" does the exact OPPOSITE of giving the 80s series a proper ending, as it leaves the villains with an upgraded Technodrome, leaving countless stories to our imaginations of the Turtles struggles against them and their new toy __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

11-29-2011, 11:07 PM	#5
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	You know its funny how most of the season finale's after Season 3 aren't really big finale's....how did they know the show wouldn't get canceled on a filler-ep, for example? The last ep of Season 4 is, "Unidentified flying Leonardo," could you imagine if that turned out to be the last episode? Season 5 ended with "Planet of the Turtleoids" which was good, but not an ending for Shredder/Krang. Season 6 also ended with a run of the mill episode, "Sleuth on the Loose." Season 7 had a good ending, but as said the villains were still on Earth. Season 8's, "Turtle Trek," would have made a decent finale. Season 9's finale foreshadowed Season 10, and the turtles hadn't cured their mutations yet. Season 10's finale was decent for what it was. It wasn't the grand ending the show should have gotten, but it wrapped up things well enough. My only gripe is the show never had any final battle with General Traag.

12-01-2011, 07:01 PM	#11
cryan Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Athens,AL Posts: 743	The ending to Rapheal Meets Hiss Match could have been a little better.At least some interaction between him and Mona Lisa when they meet back at the lair.

12-02-2011, 10:44 AM	#14
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,493	I think the only other cartoons besides TMNT to have several "proper" endings at the time were Thundercats (Lion-O's Anoitment, Thundercats Ho, The Last Day, and The Book of Omens are all finale-type episodes), Transformers (The Ultimate Doom, The Movie, Return of Optimus Prime and The Rebirth) and The Dreamstone (MegaAttack, Return of the Nightmare Stone) __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

12-02-2011, 03:20 PM	#16
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,493	Fox Kids UK actually aired the first five episodes of season ten as a feature-length movie back in 1999, definatly had a "finale" vibe to it, Carter's final line of "see you in the future" would have been a good spot to end the show on __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks