Which Are You Looking Forward To The Most The Dark Knight Rises or Amazing Spider-Man - Page 3

*ZariusTwo* · 01-03-2012, 12:38 PM

Honestly, the more I rewatch the Raimi movies, the more I realize how overrated and completly untrue to the characters they are.

Filespit · 01-04-2012, 11:32 AM

Have to say The Dark Knight Rises here, simply because the previous movies were so amazing. Although I'm looking forward to Spidey as well, I simply don't that "wow-this-can-be-a-really-good-movie" feeling or whatever you're supposed to call it, but I'm keeping my hopes up. And I don't understand why they have to reboot the whole series.

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-04-2012, 11:47 AM

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Have to say The Dark Knight Rises here, simply because the previous movies were so amazing. Although I'm looking forward to Spidey as well, I simply don't that "wow-this-can-be-a-really-good-movie" feeling or whatever you're supposed to call it, but I'm keeping my hopes up. And I don't understand why they have to reboot the whole series.

The movie makers of Sony and the suits of Marvel disagreed on the villain of the film. Those involved in making Spider-Man 4 wanted the Vulture while the suits wanted The Lizard. They could not find middle ground and make a script with both The Lizard and the Vulture. The thought was Rami's group wanted Vulture but others thought an old man in a fly harness would be boring to the audience so the already established Curt Conners who Marvel wanted was to be the villain but production rejected it. So the disagreement over having The Lizard and The Vulture in the fourth film is why its reboot. Its a shame because it was such a great franchise with a couple of plots still dangling. They also had a similar disagreement over Venom and Sandman. We found a compromise and got both. I personally would rather have Venom and Lizard then Sandman and Vulture but that is just me.

*shuriken* · 01-04-2012, 01:22 PM

The Dark knight Rises just because I want to see Nolan's "final chapter" so to speak. Not really too crazy about Spider-man but I'll check it out why not. I still think it would have been cool to call the movie Batman: Knightfall to go with the arc that Bane was introduced to, but that' just nitpicky. Anyway I really enjoyed Batman Begins and The Dark Knight so yeah I'll go with TDKR.

Filespit · 01-04-2012, 06:07 PM

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The movie makers of Sony and the suits of Marvel disagreed on the villain of the film. Those involved in making Spider-Man 4 wanted the Vulture while the suits wanted The Lizard. They could not find middle ground and make a script with both The Lizard and the Vulture. The thought was Rami's group wanted Vulture but others thought an old man in a fly harness would be boring to the audience so the already established Curt Conners who Marvel wanted was to be the villain but production rejected it. So the disagreement over having The Lizard and The Vulture in the fourth film is why its reboot. Its a shame because it was such a great franchise with a couple of plots still dangling. They also had a similar disagreement over Venom and Sandman. We found a compromise and got both. I personally would rather have Venom and Lizard then Sandman and Vulture but that is just me.

That makes sense, thanks for clearing that up. To be honest, based on what you said here I think rebooting it was a good idea. The Lizard isn't a villain for a fourth movie in my opinion, he should've been the villain of the first movie instead of Green Goblin.

Also, I think the big problem with Spider-Man 3 was the fact that it had both Sandman and Venom. In my opinion they should've stuck with just Sandman, as that character is way more interesting than Venom in that movie. I like the whole symbiote-thing in the movie though, but they should've skipped Venom as his inclusion just feels a bit panicked.

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-04-2012, 06:33 PM

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That makes sense, thanks for clearing that up. To be honest, based on what you said here I think rebooting it was a good idea. The Lizard isn't a villain for a fourth movie in my opinion, he should've been the villain of the first movie instead of Green Goblin.

Also, I think the big problem with Spider-Man 3 was the fact that it had both Sandman and Venom. In my opinion they should've stuck with just Sandman, as that character is way more interesting than Venom in that movie. I like the whole symbiote-thing in the movie though, but they should've skipped Venom as his inclusion just feels a bit panicked.

Not a problem. From what I read Venom was to appease Marvel and the fans while Rami and Macquire wanted Sandman. I see its a problem trying to fit everything in. Perhaps have Venom built up for the fourth. As for using The Lizard in the first I am skepical on that. It would have been more meaningful if he was Peter's professor and maybe advisor so having him in a fourth film would have made more sense than a rebooted first with Peter in high school the first time unless he is Peter's biology teacher or something. I admit its my favortism of certain villains playing into it and I think that is why Marvel pushed for Venom and Lizard opposed to the less interesting Sandman and Vulture.

There has been talk of a Venom spinoff movie,but it could be in development hell or readying for production I am not sure since I have not heard any details in the last year and a half.

*Slap-Happy* · 01-05-2012, 03:34 AM

You seem mistaken. Marvel is not as directly involved as you think with the films. They weren't pushing for Venom, Sony was. And that's because fans wanted that character.

Also, as far as I know, there were no plans for the Lizard during the time when Spider-Man 4 was being planned. It was always the Vulture.

If I remember correctly, it's wasn't that Sony really wanted the Lizard, it's that they were having huge disagreements with Sam Raimi about the story.

They had other problems with where the story was going. There were things like Spidey having a kid, and Felicia Hardy becoming the Vultress, among other things.

Sony thought it was going too far and wanted him to change it, but Sam refused and insisted it would be fine. When Raimi wouldn't back down, he was either fired or he quit.

When Raimi was out, so were Tobey and Kirsten. Rather than make a sequel without the actors, they decided to just start over.

*ZariusTwo* · 01-05-2012, 06:42 AM

I didnt know Raimi wanted Peter to have a kid...I heard a rumour he wanted Peter to kill The Vulture, but I have a hard time swallowing that one

*Redeemer* · 01-21-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Honestly, the more I rewatch the Raimi movies, the more I realize how overrated and completly untrue to the characters they are.

Thank you.
I thought the 1st was a good movie B+
2nd- crappy and too much about crappy romance, I would mind the romance especially bc Peter and MJ romance is a key essential in the comic. D+
3rd- Venom was to freaknnnnnnn smmmaaallll!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Eddie Brock was punk....ugghhhh....... so annoying i like the villians they used. I even like the way they used Sandman, but the Venom thing killed me and then MJ and Peter were exactly were they left off.......

*ZariusTwo* · 01-21-2012, 02:40 PM

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2nd- crappy and too much about crappy romance, I would mind the romance especially bc Peter and MJ romance is a key essential in the comic. D+

The romance was handled very poorly, MJ is supposed to be, whilst a bit tomboyish, overall very loyal to Peter, in the movies she's just bitching him out at every oppertunity, it leaves the viewer wondering what Peter sees in her ro begin with. No wonder the theatres reportedly cheered when Peter hit her in Spider-Man 3

*Redeemer* · 01-21-2012, 04:18 PM

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The romance was handled very poorly, MJ is supposed to be, whilst a bit tomboyish, overall very loyal to Peter, in the movies she's just bitching him out at every oppertunity, it leaves the viewer wondering what Peter sees in her ro begin with. No wonder the theatres reportedly cheered when Peter hit her in Spider-Man 3

Thank you exactly my point. The romance would be good if it wasnt done so damn poorly

*ZariusTwo* · 01-21-2012, 04:23 PM

To save themselves a LOT of grief dramaticly they should have had Gwen Stacy in the first movie from the onset so they could "protect" MJ's image and give the sensetive crybaby routine to Gwen (because that's all she did in the comics), at least this new reboot film is getting it right...if Gwen acts all needy and whiny at least it's HER doing it and not someone who's supposed to be the strongest woman in Peter's life.

NameGoesHere1066 · 01-23-2012, 11:07 AM

I'm looking foward to batman. I like Spiderman but I tend to get annoyed while watching it. Especially with the female characters, **cough MaryJane**

*ZariusTwo* · 01-23-2012, 12:05 PM

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I'm looking foward to batman. I like Spiderman but I tend to get annoyed while watching it. Especially with the female characters, **cough MaryJane**

Sad isnt it? The comics Mary Jane is far more lovable (at least she is when handled correctly by either Stan Lee, Peter David, or Tom DeFalco), but show the casual shmuck the Raimi movies and they'll leave with a bitter impression of her altogether.

*Sage Ninja* · 01-24-2012, 11:44 AM

I thought Mary Jane was better in the 90's cartoon but even then a few times I wanted to just slap her. I can't remember if this was real Mary Jane or just a clone but something I saw on youtube reminded me of how MJ could annoy me.

and this was supposed to be romantic.

I never watched the spider movies but MJ was annoying enough to make the Nostalgic Critic's 11 most dumbass's in Distress list, and he specificaly based it off the movies version of Mary Jane.

A little *too* Raph · 01-24-2012, 02:17 PM

The Dark Knight Rises, because TDK is one of my favorite movies and I went to the TDKR filming at Hines Field

*ZariusTwo* · 01-24-2012, 02:38 PM

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I can't remember if this was real Mary Jane or just a clone

That's the clone. The real MJ never returned after she fell into that time/space wormhole at the end of season three. There were plans to have her return had the series continued, but it reached the magic number of syndication (65) and ended with Spidey searching for her.

Personally I just pretend the whole final season never happened

Jelly Bean · 01-25-2012, 11:19 AM

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I guess Ill have to choose Batman, cuz from what I hear this franchise will be rebooted...(why?) after this film.

why reboot it when they can just continue on with the Nolan series. I really adore the Nolan series. There are villians I really want to see that haven't used yet in a Nolan-esch way.

I wonder if they could ever do a Batman Beyond with Terry Miginnus in the future type of movie. I think that would be better than yet another reboot. or is Batman Befond only in the DCAU?

*gobo* · 01-25-2012, 06:00 PM

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Which Film Are You Looking Forward To More The Dark Knight Rises or AmazingSpider-Man

Not Batsh*t. I promise you that.

~~AquaParade~~ · 01-25-2012, 06:07 PM

Had to go with the Dark Knight Rises. Spider-man was my favorite comic-book hero growing up ( tmnt excluded, as they are not hero's in my book ;] ), but the Dark Knight has slowly tugged the rope away from Spidey as the years go on - He just gets way better treatment! The animated series, "The Dark Knight",
Arkham Asylum/City. Hard for Spidey to compete.

View Poll Results: Which Film Are You Looking Forward To More The Dark Knight Rises or AmazingSpider-Man
Batman:The Dark Knight Rises	22	64.71%
Amazing Spider-Man	5	14.71%
Neither One More Than The OTher	7	20.59%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

01-03-2012, 12:38 PM	#41
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,500	Honestly, the more I rewatch the Raimi movies, the more I realize how overrated and completly untrue to the characters they are. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

01-04-2012, 01:22 PM	#44
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	The Dark knight Rises just because I want to see Nolan's "final chapter" so to speak. Not really too crazy about Spider-man but I'll check it out why not. I still think it would have been cool to call the movie Batman: Knightfall to go with the arc that Bane was introduced to, but that' just nitpicky. Anyway I really enjoyed Batman Begins and The Dark Knight so yeah I'll go with TDKR. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

01-05-2012, 03:34 AM	#47
Slap-Happy Bad Boy Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,911	You seem mistaken. Marvel is not as directly involved as you think with the films. They weren't pushing for Venom, Sony was. And that's because fans wanted that character. Also, as far as I know, there were no plans for the Lizard during the time when Spider-Man 4 was being planned. It was always the Vulture. If I remember correctly, it's wasn't that Sony really wanted the Lizard, it's that they were having huge disagreements with Sam Raimi about the story. They had other problems with where the story was going. There were things like Spidey having a kid, and Felicia Hardy becoming the Vultress, among other things. Sony thought it was going too far and wanted him to change it, but Sam refused and insisted it would be fine. When Raimi wouldn't back down, he was either fired or he quit. When Raimi was out, so were Tobey and Kirsten. Rather than make a sequel without the actors, they decided to just start over. Last edited by Slap-Happy; 01-05-2012 at 04:01 AM.

01-05-2012, 06:42 AM	#48
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,500	I didnt know Raimi wanted Peter to have a kid...I heard a rumour he wanted Peter to kill The Vulture, but I have a hard time swallowing that one __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

01-04-2012, 11:32 AM	#42
Filespit Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Sweden Posts: 424	Have to say The Dark Knight Rises here, simply because the previous movies were so amazing. Although I'm looking forward to Spidey as well, I simply don't that "wow-this-can-be-a-really-good-movie" feeling or whatever you're supposed to call it, but I'm keeping my hopes up. And I don't understand why they have to reboot the whole series.

01-21-2012, 04:23 PM	#52
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,500	To save themselves a LOT of grief dramaticly they should have had Gwen Stacy in the first movie from the onset so they could "protect" MJ's image and give the sensetive crybaby routine to Gwen (because that's all she did in the comics), at least this new reboot film is getting it right...if Gwen acts all needy and whiny at least it's HER doing it and not someone who's supposed to be the strongest woman in Peter's life. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

01-23-2012, 11:07 AM	#53
NameGoesHere1066 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: at home LOL Posts: 957	I'm looking foward to batman. I like Spiderman but I tend to get annoyed while watching it. Especially with the female characters, cough MaryJane __________________ ]

01-24-2012, 11:44 AM	#55
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,927	I thought Mary Jane was better in the 90's cartoon but even then a few times I wanted to just slap her. I can't remember if this was real Mary Jane or just a clone but something I saw on youtube reminded me of how MJ could annoy me. and this was supposed to be romantic. I never watched the spider movies but MJ was annoying enough to make the Nostalgic Critic's 11 most dumbass's in Distress list, and he specificaly based it off the movies version of Mary Jane. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

01-24-2012, 02:17 PM	#56
A little too Raph Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 561	The Dark Knight Rises, because TDK is one of my favorite movies and I went to the TDKR filming at Hines Field __________________ - "You're a claustrophobic" - "You want a fist in the mouth? I've never even looked at another guy"

01-25-2012, 06:07 PM	#60
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	Had to go with the Dark Knight Rises. Spider-man was my favorite comic-book hero growing up ( tmnt excluded, as they are not hero's in my book ;] ), but the Dark Knight has slowly tugged the rope away from Spidey as the years go on - He just gets way better treatment! The animated series, "The Dark Knight", Arkham Asylum/City. Hard for Spidey to compete.